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Published: Monday, Jan. 6 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

"To Traditional Marriage "supporters": Look. Knock off these tortured redefinition arguments. Just come out and admit that you're opposed to letting homosexuals marry because you don't like homosexuals."

That's not true for me and I bet it isn't for most opponents of SSM on this thread. I've had friends, clients, relatives who were gay. I've treated them all with kindness and respect. I don't have to think homosexuality is a good thing to love the individual. I don't like drinking either but have plenty of friends who drink.

I don't want homosexuality taught to my kids at school at a young age. That doesn't make me a bigot.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I would be hesitant to say that this ruling tells us anything about what Sotormoyor would rule on the substance of the case. It is a procedural thing, and staying enforcement is the standard decision during appeal.

The court punted on Prop 8, but they will have a real hard time punting here. I think Utah has a good chance of winning in the 10th circuit, but either way the 10th circuit rules it will be appealed to the Supreme Court. If Utah wins in the 10th Circuit there is a good chance though that the Supreme Court will just deney cert, and postpone judgment. A majority of justices currently on the court do not want to have to rule on same-sex marriage at all.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@JSB
Sugar City, ID

The purpose for sex is reproduction: 1) to unite the sperm and egg; and 2) to help the zygote to develop into a mature individual. In the human species permanent heterosexual pair bonds have evolved because it takes such a long time to train humans into mature, responsible, productive adults.

In the past this heterosexual pair-bonding has been called marriage. Changing the definition of marriage will not change the biological reality...

If we legalize homosexual marriages or unions, the biggest victims will be more children raised in dysfunctional environments resulting in more crime, school dropouts, poverty, social unrest, disease and misery.

9:51 a.m. Jan. 6, 2014

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1. Nice biology lesson.
When is marriage defined by sex, and not love?
Animals have sex, yet animals are not married.

2. And then you throw out the evolutionary theories. Since when did you start believing in evolutionary theories? Let me guess, when they suit your agenda?

3. The children being adopted by gays and lesbians were most likey already abused victims living in more crime, school dropouts, poverty, social unrest, disease and misery from their heterosexual parents. If anything, this gives them a better chance to escape the viscious cycle.

aunt lucy
Looneyville, UT

@Ranch

I would encourage you to reread the scriptures. I know of many places where Jesus called on those to repent and sin no more. He stated that we should strive to be as he- perfect and that his atonement would provide a way to be forgiven of sin.
As for me being a sinner as well. You nailed that totally. I am indeed a sinner and when I sin, I with myself as with others, hate the sin and love the sinner. SO thankful for the power of the atonement working in my life. If only the gay/lesbian group would take their sin to their Savior and allow the power of the atonement to work for them. This would be the exact opposite of actively trying to legislate it as non-sin. Hate to think who might be the grand architect behind those efforts.

postaledith
Freeland, WA

Same sex marriage is here to stay and the great LGBT community of Utah will get their rights back. So those who are jumping with glee that the future marriages were stopped until Utah loses their appeals, better not jump too high. Love will prevail and same sex marriage will become law again in Utah and other states will follow.

FT
salt lake city, UT

SoCal Chris-
Where does it say anything in the ruling that homosexuality is being taught in school? If you deny a person a social right or privalege that you currently enjoy because of one's color, creed or beliefs it makes you prejudice. To justify it because of your religon does not change the fact it is a prejudice. How your religon or any religon views and practices marriage is not a relevant fact for this issue. The issue in front of us here is how our goverment recognizes marriage. Quit with the straw man arguments about children being converted to homosexuality if LGBT's are allowed the same privaleges as hetrosexuals.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Justice delayed but we will not be denied, full citizenship full equality nothing less.

Bob K
portland, OR

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT
"I must say I am surprised but pleased that the Supremes did the right thing. Shelby should have immediately placed a stay while the decision was appealed. The fact that he didn't shows his activist bias. ANY good judge would have put the stay on and have allowed the judicial process to work."

--WRONG -- the Utah AG office completely bungled the case. With typical lack of seeing the possibility of losing, they did not file for a stay properly.

If the voice of the people has any power left in this country, this thing will be overturned.

--Sorry that you are for mob rule. I would remind you that for most of the history of the lds church, until recently, a popular vote on which religions should be allowed would have gone against you.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ duckhunter: Every other state has requested a stay before the judge issued a decision - are you really trying to claim they all did it wrong and only Utah did it right?

Perhaps you need to review the FRCP.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@aunt lucy;

Jesus may have called the sinners to repentance, but he NEVER ONCE denied them a place at the table where he dined.

You have no idea how much we've "taken our sin the 'savior'". How many hours we spent on our knees only to have NOTHING change. How many nights we contemplated suicide because of our church or people like you who just "love the sinner but hate the sin". Do you know how much harm you have done? I hate to think who might be the "grand architect" behind all that harm.

The USA is still not a theocracy, and until we are, your god takes no precedence over any other god.

Maudine
SLC, UT

All these people who are so afraid that children will learn about homosexuality at school need to realize that their children are already learning about it -

they are learning about it from their homosexual friends
they are learning about it from children currently being raised by same-sex parents
they are learning about it from reading the news
and they are learning about it because they are dealing with it themselves.

All prohibiting same-sex marriage does, is teach children that it is okay to have parents that are not married to each other and that there are ways to form families other than through marriage.

By prohibiting same-sex marriage, you are devaluing marriage as a social contract.

So, yeah, kids are learning about homosexuality and marriage, but not in the way you think and probably not in the way you would prefer.

Bob K
portland, OR

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA
"'To Traditional Marriage "supporters": Look. Knock off these tortured redefinition arguments. Just come out and admit that you're opposed to letting homosexuals marry because you don't like homosexuals.'"
That's not true for me and I bet it isn't for most opponents of SSM on this thread. I've had friends, clients, relatives who were gay. I've treated them all with kindness and respect. I don't have to think homosexuality is a good thing to love the individual. I don't like drinking either but have plenty of friends who drink."

--- You need to consider that married Gay people having sex MAY not be a sin, and certainly is not your business to like or dislike. If you are not open to that, you do, in practice, look down on Gays.

"I don't want homosexuality taught to my kids at school at a young age. That doesn't make me a bigot."

--- Maybe it makes you someone who swallows propaganda.
--- And maybe it is helpful to kids to know that Gay people exist, in case they or classmates are Gay, but NO ONE would teach sex practices to young kids.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

re. Open Minded? Mormon

I've believed in evolution since I was in high school and have a masters in biology. Biologically, we are a pair bonding species and when societies have deviated very far from this norm, there have been tragic consequences. If same sex marriage is legalized, then what will happen next? Since there are no long term (multigenerational) studies that show the effects of gay marriage on a human society, what we must do is try to anticipate what might happen. "Families" with multiple partners (e.g. 3 men and 2 women or polyamory) are anxiously looking forward to legalization of gay marriage because it will open the door to legalization of their relationships. There are hundreds of thousands of these "families" in the US today. And we could also see 3 or more men or 3 or more women wanting legalization of their "families." After all, they claim to love each other. This of course will lead to more venereal disease, divorce, child abuse and neglect, poverty, crime and social chaos.

It would be wise not to mess with thousands of years of human evolution so that some people with unnatural desires can have a so-called civil right.

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

SoCalChris says he opposes same-sex marriage because, "I don't want homosexuality taught to my kids at school at a young age. That doesn't make me a bigot."

But, homosexuality is already taught to your children at school at a young age. By other children. From their earliest years, they hear anti-gay slurs aimed at them and others either for not conforming to idealized gender stereotypes, or because children have learned that it's the worst form of insult, a way to gain social capital against your rivals. Strong, active girls and small or weak boys, or even just smart kids, are regularly called gay and lesbian slurs.

Is this the way you'd like them to learn about gay people, or wouldn't you rather have them learn that there's a place in society for everyone, that everyone has strengths, that every child is loved, by God and their parents, and that children who call other children names are just insecure bullies?

johnashleymarriott
Finland, 00

I think the phrase "Though the church has softened its stance toward gays and lesbians in recent years..." may be a little misleading as according to my knowledge the church's stance towards gays and lesbians has remained the same. I think among the members there is a more heightened awareness of issues dealing with gays and lesbians and that the church has addressed this increased awareness with more frequency, however the message has been the same: Love all people everywhere and be politically active in causes that you believe will better society or against causes that you believe would damage it.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

"I don't want homosexuality taught to my kids at school at a young age. That doesn't make me a bigot."

Ever watch an episode of Glee? Teen wolf?

If I don't want my children taught about Mormonism, can I prevent them from getting married?

No.

As such, the claim about what you want for children is moot. You don't want your kids to learn something?

Keep them at home.

The second you release them into the world with the rest of us, you are on your own. And I should not be forced to adhere to your prejudices.

Are the supreme court justices LDS?

I don't know, but more than half the comments on this board mention God. Let me be clear.

I do not care, what your God thinks.

I care, about what you are trying to force, upon my life.

Because marriage equality has never factually brought harm to a religious persons teachings.

But we have plenty of examples of religious persecution. Inquisition, 9/11, shootings of Mormons in the streets.

This, is what we should go 'back' too?

I disagree.

Infringe on my rights?

And Utah deserves the scrutiny and ridicule that is coming.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

"Ever watch an episode of Glee? Teen wolf?"

No - And neither do my children because it is voluntary. Attending Public School is not.

"You don't want your kids to learn something? Keep them at home."

Yes - All conservatives who believe in God should stay out of public discourse and hide.

"And Utah deserves the scrutiny and ridicule that is coming."

Yes - Utah and 32 other states who have the same law.

BYU_Convert
Provo, UT

Being gay or having same sex attractions for whatever reason by whatever circumstances is something that happens in this life to some people. To every single person bashing gay marriage in these comments, you obviously do not know what that it is like to be gay in America today and know what kind of suffering and separation that entails. And that's unfortunate for you. You concentrate so much on the sexuality aspect of it, that you forget that these are real people with real feelings created in the image of God. To all you happy-go-lucky heterosexually tended Utahns, I congratulate you. Thankfully, your lot in life is a little easier because you don't have to have something going on in your life that the majority of the country hates. I'd much rather have to deal with sins against the Word of Wisdom, Tithing, or even heterosexual Law of Chastity. All these things are forgiven in the eyes of the Church, but for people who have homosexuality, there is no forgiveness, and there is no support. Utah does not support its gay community--it condemns it, and much of these comments support that fact.

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