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Published: Monday, Jan. 6 2014 12:00 a.m. MST

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USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

VOICE OF THE PEOPLE!

byufootballrocks
Herndon, VA

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind." (Romans 1: 26-28)

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination." (Leviticus 18:22)

There it is. We only fight against the truth at our peril, and if there is a quarrel, it is between those who choose to live in this way and God.

In the meantime, citizens have every right to protect the sanctity of the marriage covenant in society, which is a holy and sacred covenant, without being ridiculed and branded as homophobic.

Duckhunter
SLC, UT

@kalindra

Do you really think that pretending inconvenient facts don't exist makes them really not exist?

Here is your quote.

"I wonder if the new AG will remember to request a stay?

@ Cats: Any "good" lawyer (heck any first year law student at even the most pathetic law school) would know to request a stay and would know that Judges cannot rule on motions that are not before them."

The state of Utah DID request a stay and judge shelby rejected it. No one "forgot" to do it. A stay cannot be requested until a ruling is made, once judge shleby made his ridiculous decision the state requested a stay at which time judge shleby made another ridiculous decision and denied that stay. The state then appealed to the scotus and one of the most liberal justices on the court embarrassed and humiliated judge shleby by issuing a stay and completely rebuking him.

Any "first year law student" would actually know that a stay was requested by the state and was rejected by the judge that was later slapped down by the scotus.

morganh
Orem, Utah

The issue is whether a state has its own right to decide its own marriage laws. The 10th Amendment says certain powers are delegated to the States and certain powers and delegated to the Federal Government. Amendment 3 is a State Law not a Federal Law. I got my marriage license for my marriage to another women from my County who is under the jurisdiction of my State. After watching a video from a same sex activist who said that gay marriage is not the real agenda I am convinced that it is not about same-sex marriage, it is about eventually destroying traditional marriage and accepting ideas contrary to what the creator of this universe intended.

Vince here
San Diego, CA

This is what equality looks like. Hang on for the ride.

Tuffy Parker
Salem, UT

Shelby was wrong not to issue a stay along with his ruling and thereby became and an activist judge. his hands have now been duly slapped by Justice Sotomayor.

Ranch
Here, UT

Cheer while you can. The 10th circuit court will uphold Justice Shelby's ruling.

This is nothing more than a temporary setback.

non believer
PARK CITY, UT

It is very obvious who reads the Deseret News and it is not a diverse group!

Duckhunter
SLC, UT

@schnee

Uh....the scotus never made a ruling on prop 8, it simply issued a stay and sent it back to the federal courts. it basically punted. But we are getting to the point where the scotus is going to have a hard time continuing to "punt" and they are going to have to take it up and make a decision. But they would not issue a stay if the states argument had no merit. The fact they have issued a stay, despite judge shelby refusing to do so, shows they have already rebuked him on one of his rulings and shows they do not think his ruling is altogether correct, or at least he has not proven his point and it needs further vetting by the court as a whole.

I understand how frantic this makes people like you but it will play itself out over time. I personally think the ultimate decision will allow individual states to decide if they want to allow gay marriages or not rather than the scotus decreeing it as an absolute.

Unclefred
Ticonderoga, NY

Regardless of the various issues stated in the story, and in these comments, the real issue is: Can any legal entity define what marriage is? In my opinion, either marriage is between a man and a woman, or it's undefinable. If it's undefinable, Dad can marry son, or the neighbors goat or whatever. Every argument I've ever heard for same sex marriage applies as well to any arrangement of consenting adults, and adult age is defined by the state. If you want to live together, great, do it, no one is stopping you... If you want to use the mens bathroom, be a man, if you want to use the ladies room, be a woman, if you want to get married, be a man and a woman, any other arrangement destroys the institution. Because I say so? No, because if it's undefinable, it will wither away, if you just plain don't care, go for it, but I do care, and I will stand up for marriage...

Jeff in NC
CASTLE HAYNE, NC

@JSB: "If we legalize homosexual marriages or unions, the biggest victims will be more children raised in dysfunctional environments resulting in more crime, school dropouts, poverty, social unrest, disease and misery." Wow...just wow. Please share your sources. Or if this is just you shooting from the hip reflecting your personal/subjective belief, then you are the perfect example of why a judge would strike down a law for which people like you voted that unreasonably hurts a discriminated-against minority.

Ranch
Here, UT

The comments here are proof that religious belief is the root of all evil.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

To all those saying that that same gender marriage won't harm traditional marriage go back to yesterday's article written by the Ericksons and look up with reference to a gay right activist who said that gay rights activists are lying when they say that traditional marriage won't be affected.

Explain, how that statement is wrong. That is the evidence that many people are using to oppose same sex marriage. If you simply make ad hominem statements that traditional marriage won't be harmed without responding to this statement, it makes people wonder if you are talking from some set of PC dogma that is the official way of thinking for which it is forbidden to question.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Jeff in NC:
"If we legalize homosexual marriages or unions, the biggest victims will be more children raised in dysfunctional environments resulting in more crime, school dropouts, poverty, social unrest, disease and misery." Wow...just wow. Please share your sources. "

Google the social science study done by Mark Regnerus.

cindyacre
Shelley, ID

The pre-trial ruling was not binding, and the Supreme Court saw it as way over what the judge in California did. Anyone on either side needs to see this for what it is - a rejection of judicial activism, which either side should decry.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@Charles
not from utah, 00

I challenge any LDS member to detail how homosexuality is congruent with the plan of salvation and is doctrinally sound.

9:17 a.m. Jan. 6, 2014

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Free Agency
Freedom of Choice
Jesus's plan...

Moses 3: 17
"...nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee."

Lucifer's plan was to take away freedom of choice,
and force everyone to only choose the right.

Right or Wrong,
No matter how noble the cause,
I fought against that plan then,
I fight against that plan now.

We are to show a better way [by example],
and ask others to join us to follow.

THAT is the plan of salvation and is doctrinally sound.

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

Unfortunately Utah does appear to be a bigoted, hypocritical and mean spirited state not helped by all the self-righteous citizens patting themselves on the back for upholding what they think are "God's Laws". The Federal government has a long history of trying to regulate marriage in the State of Utah. Apparently man's law can make men behave morally even when they think God has given them other directions.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@morganh
Orem, Utah
The issue is whether a state has its own right to decide its own marriage laws. The 10th Amendment says certain powers are delegated to the States and certain powers and delegated to the Federal Government. Amendment 3 is a State Law not a Federal Law. I got my marriage license for my marriage to another women from my County who is under the jurisdiction of my State.

10:04 a.m. Jan. 6, 2014

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Better not move then,
because using your flawed logic,
your marriage can not then be recognized in another county, another State OR another Country.

mhenshaw
Leesburg, VA

>>Nope. How'd that stay on Prop 8 turn out for your side?

Prop 8 doesn't prove your assertion that SCOTUS will uphold Judge Shelby.

SCOTUS struck down Prop 8 not on the grounds that it was unconstitutional, but on the grounds that no third-party had standing to defend it in court after California declined to do so. By doing so, SCOTUS went out of its way in Hollingsworth v Perry to avoid imposing a federal definition of marriage on the states when it could easily have done so.

But Utah, unlike California, is defending its constitution; and Judge Shelby's legal reasoning in overturning Utah's constitutional ban leaves SCOTUS only two options. SCOTUS will either have to overturn Shelby or go even further than it did in Hollingsworth v Perry and impose its own definition of marriage on the states.

It could, but its refusal to do so in Hollingswort v Perry creates doubt as to whether it will.

Vince here
San Diego, CA

In the meantime, hundreds of LGBT citizens continue married.

Whose marriage was demeaned because a loving bride married another or a groom became another man's husband?

Whose children suffered because of it? Chances are, the children most affected already were part of a gay parents' family. Going forward, more children will enter into those families.

This just in: Ducks did not marry chickens and no churches were sued.

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