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Poll: Americans have little faith in government

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  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Jan. 4, 2014 2:29 p.m.

    Tyranny is a government that forces its will against the people for partisan, political purposes, this has happened twice. Judge Robert J. Shelby overstepped his power in granting gay marriage without a trial or hearing and against the wishes of 66% of the people who passed amendment 3. A completely partisan Senate in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve passed Obamacare without a single Republican Vote and with all kinds of payoffs to those voting for it.
    A president who continues to grant waivers and special status to his favorite political allies is far outside the constitution. Political correctness run amok in every aspect of life. Is there really any good reason why we should trust government?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 3, 2014 7:21 p.m.

    Hard to believe.

    Ever seen the cheering at Obamas pep rallies?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 2:55 p.m.

    If judges can overrule the voice of the people (as in the case of Gay marriage voted on by the citizens of the state of Utah), why hold elections? Those of you who believe that the Constitution gives power to the Judicial so it can overrule the will of the people haven't read the Constitution lately. It is really simple. The United States was formed on the basis of putting all the power in the people. When the will of the people is being subverted, as it is on a daily basis, it is no longer a government by the people; it is tyranny! The irony is watching those who vote for Socialism and Communism while claiming that our Constitution is inspired and should be upheld! The only thing that is being upheld today is tyranny, Judicial usurpation, Executive lies, secularism, and ignorant and immoral people! Would the big government people just wait until it implodes before admitting that things were just a tad out of control? Is the fact that we have lost the moral leadership standing in the world,with our economy not far behind, make any sense to the big government people? I doubt it!

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    I learned recently that America is only 5% of the worlds population and takes 80% of the prescription drugs 50% of the the other drugs. Were incapacitated, too compliant, not the revolutionary people of 1776.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    Mark B

    your "living breathing" interpretation of the Constitution, which is what most liberals believe, is a dangerous power because it opens up the Constitution to be all that anyone wants it to be, or not to be. In my opinion, judges should never have been given power to "interpret" the constitution. That is like interpreting the Bible. Or an actor interpreting a role, like Hamlet. You are free to do whatever you want with it. If judges can do the same with the Constitution of the U.S. then we might as well just throw out the whole thing and declare that judges in America will now make law from the bench with their own opinion as they see it. The Constitution should be a guideline that judges use to "APPLY" the law, not interpret/make it from the bench. If something is missing, get it added, but don't make it up as you go along. That is why Justice Thomas and others are considered strict constructionists, wanting to keep the origional intent as our countries baseline of lawmaking.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 2, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    VST: While defending the country is on of the government's prime responsibilities, there's no mention of a "standing army" in the Constitution itself. The way to handle the matter was left to succeeding generations.

    The same can be said of healthcare. In fact, SCOTUS has already ruled on the constitutionality of Obamacare. As you know, it was approved. So the old "If it isn't in the Constitution, then it's not legal" argument again doesn't hold water, except perhaps to Justice Thomas.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 2, 2014 7:02 p.m.

    What difference does this make if we can't get these people out of office?

    Are the people of our United States, really in charge?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Mark B

    You make some good points about Congress, but you seem to forget that Obama, as President these last 5 years is also to blame. This article would be great fodder for those of us who want to blame Democrats, because they have had the most political power these last 7 years. However, I do think the real problem lies simply in the fact that our Federal government is so huge that it cannot be controlled. Even if a President and Congress wanted to control it. It has become a leviathian. Maybe there is something to be said for the Parlimentary system like used in England and other places. If things are going wrong, the people can vote out the party who holds all the power. In our system, it is both parties who are responsible and therefore, the electorate feel there is no where to go for a fix to the mess. And then again, some would argue that the system of checks and balances is working exactly as envisioned. If the country if divided about 50/50 we get a lot of stalemate government. And right now I'd say we are pretty evenly divided on major issues.

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    As long as we have the likes of barry, nancy, harry and the other liberals that look at government as the solution, it will be impossible for americans trust anything they say. These three are the faces of hypocrisy and deceit. Hopefully more makers than takers will show up next year to get real conservatives in the congress and get rid of the likes of the above, and some repubs too. Unforetunately, we are stuck with barry for three more LONG years.

  • Commodore West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:51 a.m.

    There is good reason to have little faith in government. Our government has allowed large corporations and individuals to amass so much power and influence that Chomsky indicates we are no longer functioning as a democracy, but as a plutocracy. A casual inspection of historical events will show this is the case.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    Thid Barker, you cannot attack government on the grounds that you don't like the government agencies you list, then somehow separate those agencies from the armed services. They are all arms of the government. You cannot condemn all government as tyranny and in the same breath laud the military. There is no exemption from government when it comes to the military, and your insistence on a difference is, frankly, bizarre. If anything, the military has the potential to be government's greatest threat to democracy, which is why many founders wanted to ban a standing peacetime army.

    The military is part of the government. As you point out, its employees voluntarily joined it. NSA, IRS, HHS are also all part of the government. Their employees also voluntarily joined their respective agencies, so I have no idea what your point about the all-volunteer military is if it's to somehow demonstrate a difference. They *all* draw paychecks from the US treasury.

    And I served 13 months as an infantry officer in Iraq. You're welcome, and don't presume to lecture me on government, civic duty, and what I don't seem to understand.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    Thid Barker
    Victor, ID
    @ Mark B.& U. Reb: The government isn't the military,

    10:17 a.m. Jan. 2, 2014

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    What the?...
    As a Veteran, I've never been so insulted in all my life!

    Obviously, someone who has NEVER served his Country, in the Military, in the GOVERNMENT.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    We have an all VOLUNTEER military these days! It easy to separate the brave men and women in the military from that five-sided building full of career bureaucrats that get us into wars! If you can't see the difference, you must have never served in the military.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    Thid Barker, if the military isn't part of the aame government in the same way as the IRS, the NSA, the EPA, HHS, and "every other overpaid, unaccountable bureaucracy" then we have a serious, serious command and control problem going on in that five-sided building across the Potomac from DC. Your argument trying to separate the two is absurd.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    @ Mark B.& U. Reb: The government isn't the military, its the IRS, the NSA, the EPA, Kathleen Sibelius' Obamacare health department and every other overpaid, unaccountable bureaucracy in Washington DC. Don't believe it, just don't OBEY them and see what happens to you are yours!

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Well, when barack tells us he'd only be a one term president if he didn't cut the deficit in half and then he increased it, not much to be hopeful about.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    "It wasn't the "government" that stopped Hitler and other dictators like Saddam and bin Laden it was brave men and women in uniform fighting corrupt GOVERNMENTS that foolish Germans, Iraqis and Japanese allowed to get out of control.

    Maybe my history is a little iffy, but I seem to recall those brave men and women in *uniform* -- specifically, the *uniform* of the governments that called them to service, paid them, fed them, clothed them, and armed them in the fight against tyranny and fascism.

    Both sides of the war had governments. Just because the governments on one side (and at least one major power on the winning side) had a severe deficit of democracy says nothing about the value of governments generally. The lesson is that governments must be minded by the people to prevent tyrannical abuse.

    "Its thinking like yours that puts dictators and tyrants in power!"

    It's preposterous to argue that pointing out some of the benefits government can bring leads down the road to tyranny. But if you want to refight WWII to give your modern anti-government views some sort of righteous anger as a banner to rally around, knock yourself out.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 2, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    I can think of three non-generic reasons why faith in government is low.

    1 Freedom of speech allows a screaming, ranting part of the broadcast industry to dedicate itself to being watched and listen to by government haters who confuse wisdom and cynicism every day.

    2 Congress has sunk to an all-time low of actual productive output, with one side completely devoted to supporting its financial base at the cost of the poor and unemployed.

    3 These same members of Congress now actually counsel us that the US can stiff our creditors without risk, and float through life without health insurance.

    If TB is trying to say that World War II was won without the input of large, powerful AND competent government (and not just that of the US) then he could not be more wrong. Liberals have never put a dictator in power, although governments of both parties have kept some heavy-handed rulers in place in the name of "anti-communism".

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Jan. 2, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Thid Barker
    Victor, ID

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    Let's make sure you get put on GW Bush's NSA "Government Haters" watch list...

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 2, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    @ Baron Scarpia. It wasn't the "government" that stopped Hitler and other dictators like Saddam and bin Laden it was brave men and women in uniform fighting corrupt GOVERNMENTS that foolish Germans, Iraqis and Japanese allowed to get out of control. Its thinking like yours that puts dictators and tyrants in power!

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    It's unfortunate that Americans have such a low opinion of their government, but government's track record this century -- from 9/11 to going to war in Iraq over WMD to government shutdowns to NSA to botched healthcare Web sites -- makes it difficult to trust government.

    I keep thinking back to Reagan's ongoing "joke" about government's incompetence in the 1980s -- "Government is the problem, not the solution." It was meant to inspire "fixing" government to be more effective, but it increasingly became "justification" to just "hate" government and expect things to get better with either a tax cut or de-regulation (less government). Sadly, we saw what can happen with these two simple-minded policy measures during the Bush Administration -- the Great Recession, deficits, and government bailouts.

    Less government doesn't equate to effective government.

    History shows that our government has done so many great things -- from freeing Europe from Hilter's terror to the building of railroads and highways to landing on the moon to establishing civil rights to all. Perhaps today's ObamaCare and gay marriage are examples of government-driven progress, but public opinion won't recognize it till decades later.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 2, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    What have conservatives been trying to tell us since 1776? Government is our SERVANT not our masters! Liberals get that reversed. Conservatives believe that free people tell the government what it can and cannot do. Liberals believe the government should tell the people what they can and cannot do. They tell us we must keep our religion out of their government, but they have no problem forcing their government into our religion. They tell us, "you didn't build that" government did it for you". They tell us we must allow them to run our healthcare, our lives, our jobs, how much money we deserve and define our marriages and how we can protect ourselves! Time for another American revolution! Hopefully Americans are waking up before we become like liberal's beloved N. Korea or Cuba.