What have conservatives been trying to tell us since 1776? Government is our
SERVANT not our masters! Liberals get that reversed. Conservatives believe that
free people tell the government what it can and cannot do. Liberals believe the
government should tell the people what they can and cannot do. They tell us we
must keep our religion out of their government, but they have no problem forcing
their government into our religion. They tell us, "you didn't build
that" government did it for you". They tell us we must allow them to run
our healthcare, our lives, our jobs, how much money we deserve and define our
marriages and how we can protect ourselves! Time for another American
revolution! Hopefully Americans are waking up before we become like
liberal's beloved N. Korea or Cuba.
It's unfortunate that Americans have such a low opinion of their
government, but government's track record this century -- from 9/11 to
going to war in Iraq over WMD to government shutdowns to NSA to botched
healthcare Web sites -- makes it difficult to trust government.I
keep thinking back to Reagan's ongoing "joke" about
government's incompetence in the 1980s -- "Government is the problem,
not the solution." It was meant to inspire "fixing" government to
be more effective, but it increasingly became "justification" to just
"hate" government and expect things to get better with either a tax cut
or de-regulation (less government). Sadly, we saw what can happen with these
two simple-minded policy measures during the Bush Administration -- the Great
Recession, deficits, and government bailouts. Less government
doesn't equate to effective government.History shows that our
government has done so many great things -- from freeing Europe from
Hilter's terror to the building of railroads and highways to landing on the
moon to establishing civil rights to all. Perhaps today's ObamaCare and
gay marriage are examples of government-driven progress, but public opinion
won't recognize it till decades later.
@ Baron Scarpia. It wasn't the "government" that stopped Hitler and
other dictators like Saddam and bin Laden it was brave men and women in uniform
fighting corrupt GOVERNMENTS that foolish Germans, Iraqis and Japanese allowed
to get out of control. Its thinking like yours that puts dictators and tyrants
Thid BarkerVictor, ID======== Let's make sure
you get put on GW Bush's NSA "Government Haters" watch list...
I can think of three non-generic reasons why faith in government is low.1 Freedom of speech allows a screaming, ranting part of the broadcast
industry to dedicate itself to being watched and listen to by government haters
who confuse wisdom and cynicism every day.2 Congress has sunk to an
all-time low of actual productive output, with one side completely devoted to
supporting its financial base at the cost of the poor and unemployed.3 These same members of Congress now actually counsel us that the US can stiff
our creditors without risk, and float through life without health insurance.If TB is trying to say that World War II was won without the input of
large, powerful AND competent government (and not just that of the US) then he
could not be more wrong. Liberals have never put a dictator in power, although
governments of both parties have kept some heavy-handed rulers in place in the
name of "anti-communism".
"It wasn't the "government" that stopped Hitler and other
dictators like Saddam and bin Laden it was brave men and women in uniform
fighting corrupt GOVERNMENTS that foolish Germans, Iraqis and Japanese allowed
to get out of control. Maybe my history is a little iffy, but I seem
to recall those brave men and women in *uniform* -- specifically, the *uniform*
of the governments that called them to service, paid them, fed them, clothed
them, and armed them in the fight against tyranny and fascism. Both
sides of the war had governments. Just because the governments on one side (and
at least one major power on the winning side) had a severe deficit of democracy
says nothing about the value of governments generally. The lesson is that
governments must be minded by the people to prevent tyrannical abuse."Its thinking like yours that puts dictators and tyrants in power!"It's preposterous to argue that pointing out some of the benefits
government can bring leads down the road to tyranny. But if you want to refight
WWII to give your modern anti-government views some sort of righteous anger as a
banner to rally around, knock yourself out.
Well, when barack tells us he'd only be a one term president if he
didn't cut the deficit in half and then he increased it, not much to be
@ Mark B.& U. Reb: The government isn't the military, its the IRS, the
NSA, the EPA, Kathleen Sibelius' Obamacare health department and every
other overpaid, unaccountable bureaucracy in Washington DC. Don't believe
it, just don't OBEY them and see what happens to you are yours!
Thid Barker, if the military isn't part of the aame government in the same
way as the IRS, the NSA, the EPA, HHS, and "every other overpaid,
unaccountable bureaucracy" then we have a serious, serious command and
control problem going on in that five-sided building across the Potomac from DC.
Your argument trying to separate the two is absurd.
We have an all VOLUNTEER military these days! It easy to separate the brave men
and women in the military from that five-sided building full of career
bureaucrats that get us into wars! If you can't see the difference, you
must have never served in the military.
Thid BarkerVictor, ID@ Mark B.& U. Reb: The government
isn't the military, 10:17 a.m. Jan. 2, 2014========= What the?...As a Veteran, I've never been so
insulted in all my life!Obviously, someone who has NEVER served his
Country, in the Military, in the GOVERNMENT.
Thid Barker, you cannot attack government on the grounds that you don't
like the government agencies you list, then somehow separate those agencies from
the armed services. They are all arms of the government. You cannot condemn
all government as tyranny and in the same breath laud the military. There is no
exemption from government when it comes to the military, and your insistence on
a difference is, frankly, bizarre. If anything, the military has the potential
to be government's greatest threat to democracy, which is why many founders
wanted to ban a standing peacetime army.The military is part of the
government. As you point out, its employees voluntarily joined it. NSA, IRS,
HHS are also all part of the government. Their employees also voluntarily
joined their respective agencies, so I have no idea what your point about the
all-volunteer military is if it's to somehow demonstrate a difference.
They *all* draw paychecks from the US treasury. And I served 13
months as an infantry officer in Iraq. You're welcome, and don't
presume to lecture me on government, civic duty, and what I don't seem to
There is good reason to have little faith in government. Our government has
allowed large corporations and individuals to amass so much power and influence
that Chomsky indicates we are no longer functioning as a democracy, but as a
plutocracy. A casual inspection of historical events will show this is the case.
As long as we have the likes of barry, nancy, harry and the other liberals that
look at government as the solution, it will be impossible for americans trust
anything they say. These three are the faces of hypocrisy and deceit. Hopefully
more makers than takers will show up next year to get real conservatives in the
congress and get rid of the likes of the above, and some repubs too.
Unforetunately, we are stuck with barry for three more LONG years.
Mark BYou make some good points about Congress, but you seem to
forget that Obama, as President these last 5 years is also to blame. This
article would be great fodder for those of us who want to blame Democrats,
because they have had the most political power these last 7 years. However, I
do think the real problem lies simply in the fact that our Federal government is
so huge that it cannot be controlled. Even if a President and Congress wanted
to control it. It has become a leviathian. Maybe there is something to be said
for the Parlimentary system like used in England and other places. If things
are going wrong, the people can vote out the party who holds all the power. In
our system, it is both parties who are responsible and therefore, the electorate
feel there is no where to go for a fix to the mess. And then again, some would
argue that the system of checks and balances is working exactly as envisioned.
If the country if divided about 50/50 we get a lot of stalemate government. And
right now I'd say we are pretty evenly divided on major issues.
What difference does this make if we can't get these people out of
office?Are the people of our United States, really in charge?
VST: While defending the country is on of the government's prime
responsibilities, there's no mention of a "standing army" in the
Constitution itself. The way to handle the matter was left to succeeding
generations. The same can be said of healthcare. In fact, SCOTUS has
already ruled on the constitutionality of Obamacare. As you know, it was
approved. So the old "If it isn't in the Constitution, then it's
not legal" argument again doesn't hold water, except perhaps to Justice
Mark B your "living breathing" interpretation of the
Constitution, which is what most liberals believe, is a dangerous power because
it opens up the Constitution to be all that anyone wants it to be, or not to be.
In my opinion, judges should never have been given power to "interpret"
the constitution. That is like interpreting the Bible. Or an actor
interpreting a role, like Hamlet. You are free to do whatever you want with it.
If judges can do the same with the Constitution of the U.S. then we might as
well just throw out the whole thing and declare that judges in America will now
make law from the bench with their own opinion as they see it. The Constitution
should be a guideline that judges use to "APPLY" the law, not
interpret/make it from the bench. If something is missing, get it added, but
don't make it up as you go along. That is why Justice Thomas and others are
considered strict constructionists, wanting to keep the origional intent as our
countries baseline of lawmaking.
I learned recently that America is only 5% of the worlds population and takes
80% of the prescription drugs 50% of the the other drugs. Were incapacitated,
too compliant, not the revolutionary people of 1776.
If judges can overrule the voice of the people (as in the case of Gay marriage
voted on by the citizens of the state of Utah), why hold elections? Those of
you who believe that the Constitution gives power to the Judicial so it can
overrule the will of the people haven't read the Constitution lately. It
is really simple. The United States was formed on the basis of putting all the
power in the people. When the will of the people is being subverted, as it is
on a daily basis, it is no longer a government by the people; it is tyranny!
The irony is watching those who vote for Socialism and Communism while claiming
that our Constitution is inspired and should be upheld! The only thing that is
being upheld today is tyranny, Judicial usurpation, Executive lies, secularism,
and ignorant and immoral people! Would the big government people just wait until
it implodes before admitting that things were just a tad out of control? Is the
fact that we have lost the moral leadership standing in the world,with our
economy not far behind, make any sense to the big government people? I doubt
Hard to believe.Ever seen the cheering at Obamas pep rallies?
Tyranny is a government that forces its will against the people for partisan,
political purposes, this has happened twice. Judge Robert J. Shelby overstepped
his power in granting gay marriage without a trial or hearing and against the
wishes of 66% of the people who passed amendment 3. A completely partisan Senate
in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve passed Obamacare without a single
Republican Vote and with all kinds of payoffs to those voting for it.A
president who continues to grant waivers and special status to his favorite
political allies is far outside the constitution. Political correctness run amok
in every aspect of life. Is there really any good reason why we should trust