@ IMAN:It actually makes a big difference to speak about just the
people you know (knew) and associated with versus trying to speak for an entire
race of people. Why should Phil say otherwise if he really feels
that's the truth about the Blacks he knew? There can easily be pockets of
people who are one way while that people as a whole could be somewhat different.
It appears you and other critics have simply decided Phil is not
politically correct enough per your personal standards. Sad.It's baffling that someone can be asked their opinion about something
(anything), then give it honestly as possible, and subsequently put down and
criticized by so many (mostly liberals) because he doesn't happen to share
their same opinion about those particular issues. Whose to say anyone else is
anymore correct than Phil is? It's all based on individual's personal
opinions. Phil should receive tolerance for his viewpoints as much
as anyone else should for theirs. That's what tolerance is. To tolerate
something isn't supposed to always be easy. And it's all based on the
fact that we have a diverse society... diverse viewpoints.
@John Pack Lambert of Michigan: "Robertson did not say African-Americans
were "happier" under segregation, he said the African-Americans he knew
seemed to be happy." Thanks for splitting that hair. That really makes a
Readers pleeze its not fox news its FAUX news.
2 bit: What stereotype?
The man showed a courage other Christians would do well to imitate. We are
living in the time of the politically correct. That is not what we are called to
be by Jesus. We have to stand for Christian truth, no matter what it costs us,
just as Phill did. Psalms 97:10 says to: "Hate the Bad and love the
good." And 1 Timothy 5:20 says: "Reprove before all onlookers people who
practice sin...". Things are just going to get worst for Christians as the
world becomes evermore Sodom and Gomorrah. Are you willing to suffer for Christ?
Sad fact of how people get their facts. Instead of reading/viewing/listening to
the whole event they let the liberal media make up their minds for them. You all
otta put a mirror in front of yourself when you point your hypocritical finger
at someone else.
Just because someone is on TV does not mean they are an expert on every subject
or that their views on any given subject are researched and intelligent. There
are many subjects where I would not view Phils opinion as having any more value
than the message in a fortune cookie. Phil has the freedom to speak his mind.
Everyone else has the freedom to decide how they choose to view his remarks.
to 2 bitHow is what Ernest did any worse than Phil's initial
rant which started this ridiculous (dare I say) controversy?
to patriot 1st post todayReally? You can not be that simple. Can
you?It seems the Robertsons and A & E both got what they were
really after attention & money.
From the article: "A&E eventually reinstated the elder Robertson on
Friday after a nine-day suspension, which means he didn’t miss any filming
for the series."So why is this whole thing news? If stars were
REALLY suspended for saying things others disagreed with, entertainment as we
know it would be lost forever.Hmmm, not a bad idea.
Ernest T. Bass,You criticize Phil by throwing out a derogatory
stereotype-based comment about people who go to Walmart? So how are
you any better than Phil and his comments about the people he grew up with in
Louisiana?That's called the pot calling the kettle black.
Maybe YOU should be prevented from working at your job?
My only thought is that I am glad we still have our first amendment rights, for
the moment at least, and can express an opinion that same sex marriage is
contrary to the teachings of the bible and repugnant to many Christians who
believe in traditional marriage and family values. Bravo for Phil Robertson for
having the courage to give voice to his concerns about some of the amoral trends
we are seeing in our society. If more of us don't start giving voice to
our rights as citizens we will find our rights trampled on by folks who applaud
things like the new law in California that allows men to enter into women's
restrooms and women to enter into men's restrooms if they are gay and claim
"gender identity" versus their real physical gender. This new
"gender identity" might sound like non discrimination law but it gives
special rights to some people at the expense of other people. Don't be
fooled - look into it!
"I'm with blacks because we were white trash"? In another word, if
Phil Robertson were not a white trash but a decent white man, he would not wind
up with those people. And blacks seemed to be happy in a time like that?
If I wanted to watch similar people who aren't funny or interesting, I
would just go to the local Walmart.
If something that Robertson said was coherently racist, we would see attacks on
him from the ACLU. Actually if it was even workably racist, we would see such
attacks. I have read the passages in the GQ article, and while they may not fit
my definition of good racial sensitivity, I am also such a strong proponent of
inter-racial marriage that my liberal, Limbaugh-hating school counselor
counseled me against it in 1999. The attempts to tag Phil Robertson a racist are
not workable. On the other hand, with a realistic assessment of
poverty and crime, on the whole Afircan-Americans were in some ways better off
in Michigan in 1960 before the fiar housing act than they are today. Of course,
Michigan repealed its ban on interracial marriage before 1970, and had more
African-Americans in congress in the mid-1960s than it does today. That is
because we have Gary Peters, a non-resident district stealer of the Jim Matheson
type. Notice how white liberals have worked of late to reduce the number of
African-Americans in congress by strategetically running in races
African-Americans would have won if only district residents ran.
Robertson did not say African-Americans were "happier" under
segregation, he said the African-Americans he knew seemed to be happy. The situation of poor, sharecropping, whites in the south is complex. The
reality of the 1890s reforms that denied most African-Americans the ability to
vote in the south was that many poor southern whites were also disenfranchised.
The south was never a binary society. During reconstruction the Republicans
would not have won in Alabama and other states on African-American votes as
well. There were southern whites who were willing to turn on the Democratic
Party that had supported the slavocracy. The south is more complex
than liberals in SanFran, NYC and the east bench of Salt Lake City are willing
to admit. The last thing we need is attacks on people for trying to open up
about race. This country needs an open dialogue about race, and that starts with
not attacking people who make personal observations about their impressions on
their coworkers. If Robertson had made an observation about the
blacks his family employed the outrage might be justified, but when he speaks of
people he worked alongside, his comments have a different meaning.
So A&E pretends to appease the radical homosexual lobby without really doing
anything, sending the message that it you express your Bible-based belief that
homosexual relations are sinful, you will be punished put not quite enough for
you to bring your employer to court for violating your freedom of religion.I still think A&E is in violation of the law that prevents most
employers from discriminating based on religion.
"You got to marry these girls when they are 15 or 16. They'll pick your
ducks". he can be heard saying in the video from 2009.Basically
Phil Robertson now says men should marry 15 yr old girls. So homosexuality is
wrong but being a pedophile isn't.
Phil admits that his manner of speech was coarse, but the principles were still
there. Extemporaneous interviews do no always accomodate the desired refinement
in words. I believe the following is what Phil may have been trying to say:
There is an inherently procreative purpose for marriage, and the legal
definition of marriage should be framed from a child-centered perspective.
Marriage exists to channel potentially procreative sexual relationships into
enduring, stable, parental unions for the sake of producing and rearing the next
generation. A genderless concept of marriage focuesed exclusively on the
attachment of the two parties is essentially unconcerned with procreation.
Common sense tells us that God speaks to us through the natural design of our
bodies---tactical revelation. He created the male body and the female body.
Those who choose to act out their lesbian inclinations do so in obvious
contradiction to the anatomical design of their physical bodies. It is
biologically impossible for any two same gender-persons to carry out alone the
replenishment of the species or to create a family unit, which by the way is
older than any government or the laws establishing it.
@patriotDid you find any place in the Bible Apostle Paul would throw
around very private body parts in a very explicit way? in a speech about faith?
about Christian belief? Would Jesus say things like Phil did?
"I'm with the blacks because we were white trash"? In another word,
if he were a decent white man, he wouldn't wind up with those people, and
blacks were happy in a time like that?His vulgar and racist remark
does not glorify Christian faith, only remind people that although many
Christians are good people, some, like Phil, are not decent.
Maverick,Are you a Rush Limbaugh listener? I doubt it. So the only way
you would know what he said would be if MSNBC decided to take one of his
comments and make a controversy out of it. Playing selected snippets makes
people who live in their liberal echo-chamber think it represents everything he
says.To judge him... you would probably have to listen to more than
just the snippets they decide to play to create controversy on MSNBC.--- I don't listen to Limbaugh often (only on occasions when
I need to drive somewhere during lunch) but from what I've heard... your
skewed characterization of him as, "hateful, trashy, and vulgar",
don't match what I've heard. It may match the occasional snippets
you get rebroadcasted on MSNBC... but I wouldn't assume that what you get
on MSNBC represents everything he's ever said.Fox plays the
same lame game when they just play selected snippets of what somebody said to
create a controversy or rile up their listeners and give them something to talk
about for a few weeks.
@patriot"Anytime an American stands up for Christian values in any way
the looney left label's it racism."There is no Christian
value that I know of that asserts black people were better off under segregation
than they are today.
Interesting that sales of Duck Dynasty T-shirts have sky rocketed since
Phil's interview. Hmmm...sounds like the lefties lost this one.
re:The Real MaverickPhil quoted the Apostle Paul in the book of
Corinthians. Did you know that? Do you care? I suspect you also find the New
Testament "vulgar" as well. Like a true liberal - the things of God are
foolishness to the natural man.
Here's a little primer on freedom:Phil is free to say just
about anything he wants, and to express his opinions.A&E is free
to hire or fire whomever they want, to espouse a PC agenda or not.We
are all free to ignore Phil, support him, watch his show, boycott it, buy Duck
Dynasty merchandise, or shoot our TVs when he comes on (taking proper
precautions, of course.)Bottom line, Dollars are more important to
A&E than their so-called 'principles'.When the Robinsons
were willing to walk, A&E backed down. So much for their 'moral
fortitude'. Money talks, and that other stuff walks, apparently in the
re:raybiesDefine racism? Tell me what Phil said that was racist.
Anytime an American stands up for Christian values in any way the looney left
label's it racism. What a farce. Obviously you also find the New Testament
racist as well and written by a bunch of ...what did call it
...'homophobes"? What exactly is a "homophobe anyway?? Do you know
or do you just like using the word? Yes the Apostle Paul was a racist and a
homophobe in your leftist view. Correct? I will state something else the Apostle
Paul stated ...."I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ for it is
the power of salvation for all...".
I'm surprised anyone would care. It was a huge blowout, and ridiculous in
the first place. Phil Robertson's whole shtick is to complain about the
kids these days, and how the world's going to heck in a handbasket. The
scandal was ridiculous, as if his views are suddenly shocking, when that's
really the reason he was hired to do the show in the first place? And why is
homophobia worse than racism, because they claimed to know about his racist
viewpoint for some time, but it wasn't til the anti-gay-marriage comments
were made that this blew up into a "scandal". It's a
weird era we live in.
A victory for Christians - conservatives - freedom loving Americans. A defeat
for progressives, atheists, and all PC liberals!!! Good way to start 2014!!
Hutterite:You can't expect the DN to mention that part. It
doesn't fit in with the narrative they want to set.
@The Real Maverick: Well said. Funny how Phil had so many supporters in this
forum until he cracked wise about young girls. It's almost like Phil's
supporters here are okay with him as long as he keeps his remarks to minorities
and folks in the LGBT community. it really says soi much more about his
supporters than it does about him.
I hope to never hear from this guy again. His comments were so trashy and
vulgar. Completely drew away the spirit. You may have the right to say anything
you want but that doesn't mean all of society must accept or agree with
you. I get tired of folks like Duck and Rush who say any trashy thing and then
make you feel guilty about it because we have morals and don't agree with
hateful, trashy, or vulgar speech.
LOL, that comment about being asleep or watching Fox News ought to bite if you
are a PC liberal proglydite.(Progressive and out of touch about the new
reality--The sheeple are milling in discontent)" He was either
asleep or watching Fox News."
I hope Phil Robertson will learn from this incident that it is not OK to say
blacks were happier back in the time of segregation.
Glad Phil is back on the show.