Yea Mark B, you just keep watching MSNBC, and you'll keep being completely
ignorant of the many, many GOP plans that come through the House, but die
quietly in the Senate. Majority Leader Harry Reid's biggest job is to
squash any semblance of GOP ideas and facilitate another of Obama's lies -
that the GOP has no plans. So pathetic that so many people swallow it so
I'm glad I don't have to face American AND Iraqi families and declare,
Cheney style, that there's "nothing to apologize for". BTW, the
Kerry quote referred to above votes on the Defense budget, not the decision to
attack Iraq.As for Obamacare, I can't imagine looking at the
mirror and declaring that the best thing to do for healthcare in thes country is
NOTHING. That was, and still IS the GOP plan.
Mark B, there's nothing to apologize for regarding Iraq, as many Democrats
in Congress agreed with the action. Only later did they rescind their support.
Does "I voted for it before I voted against it" sound familiar? But at
the time, they agreed with it.Obamacare, on the other hand, was
unpopular with over 65% of the citizens and yet was still placed into law by the
majority party, without a single supporter among the Republicans. That is what
should receive an apology, as well as immediate repeal. Everyone says "But
you Republicans offer no alternative" and act as if that is justification
for the mess that we "had to pass to find out what was in it." And now
that we know, I hope all the Dems in a close contest that voted for this pig are
turned out of office. We know they are never going to fix it, even though the
President had too modify it a couple of times (which is not legal or
constitutional, either, but alas, I digress). It's a train wreck of
Facts and truth do not require your belief, Mark B, and you can deny reality all
day long despite voluminous indisputable evidence of frequent dishonesty and
unparalleled incompetence in every aspect of governance. There's a pretty
big difference between acting on intelligence about Iraq believed the world
over, and domestically by even every Democrat you may adore, which later turns
out to be inaccurate, and just engaging in one blatant lie after another to ram
your agenda onto America because the ends justify the means. Obama
is making Bush look pretty trustworthy, and the whining about Iraq is
what's really so pathetically stale. Of course all the Democrats renounce
the Iraq decision. Golly, it couldn't possibly be political, could it?
LD, even if I believed all the accusations you make, which I don't, they
would still be pathetic next to the cascade of error and loss started by the
decision to attack Iraq, a process which we should all now be quite familiar
with. In the ten years since. I cannot recall a single GOP bigshot renouncing
this decision: McCail, Romney, their running mates, members of Congress and
freelance Republicans like Huckabee or His Rushness - NONE of them.I
believe that every president makes so many decisions that there are bound to be
errors somewhere along the way. What baffles me is that no one will admit the
Iraq debacle just because no one wants to be reminded. Until someone does,
it's hard to think of these professional saboteurs as leaders.
@Mark B - we know plenty enough to conclude the current administration is
dishonest and incompetent. You want specifics? Look at Badgerbadger's
comment, plus the following:Obama claims he knows nothing about Fast
& Furious, IRS scandal, and spying on AP journalists until he hears news
reports. Sure.Obama is allegedly incensed about Fast & Furious,
Benghazi (caused by a video!), IRS scandal, spying on journalists, etc., and
he'll "get to the bottom" of these outrages and hold people
accountable. After the election, of course, if anyone is still interested and
he has time.With Obamacare, policy premiums and health care costs
will be lower, our national deficit will be reduced, and everyone who prefers
the plans and doctors they have will be able to keep them - PERIOD! And,
he's incensed at the botched rollout and will hold people accountable.To improve our economy and create jobs, Obama wants to raise the minimum
wage, decimate the coal industry, delay the Keystone Pipeline, pour hundreds of
millions into unproven green energy schemes, double our national debt, and
impose financially draconian health care mandates on employers. Yeah,
that'll work.Dishonesty and Incompetence are the twin pillars
of this administration.
@Mark B - we know plenty to conclude the Obama administration is dishonest and
incompetent. You want specifics? Look at Badgerbadger's comments,
plus:Obama claims he knows nothing about Fast & Furious, the IRS
scandal, and spying on AP journalists until he hears news reports. Sure.Obama is allegedly incensed about Fast & Furious, Benghazi (caused
by a video!), IRS Scandal, spying on journalists, etc., and he's going to
"get to the bottom" of these outrages and hold people accountable.
After the election, of course, if anyone is still interested and he has the
time.With Obamacare, policy premiums and health care costs will be
lower, our national deficit will be reduced, and everyone who prefers the plans
and doctors they have can keep them - PERIOD! And, he's incensed at the
botched rollout and will hold people accountable.To improve our
economy and create jobs, Obama wants to raise the minimum wage, decimate the
coal industry, delay the Keystone Pipeline, pour hundreds of millions into
unproven green energy schemes, double our national debt, and impose financially
draconian health care mandates on employers. Yeah, that'll work.Dishonesty and Incompetence are the twin pillars of this administration.
Obama's presidency is not beset by fits, it's beset by scandals as
history will certainly prove.
Mark B No republican gave the order to shut down the gov.t.The
president had it planned all along.How do you think all the posters appeared so
quickly to close all the gov't places ?It takes weeks to get any
gov't contract approved to print things up - They knew they were going to
shut down long before this fight started.They wouldn't go along with the
republicans to delay Obamacare for a year but that is exactly what Obama has
been doing one piece at a time to try and cover up their incompetence and not
have a lot of regulations kick in until after the 2014 election.
As soon as the Yea Party takes over the discussing and approval of all national
history, they will no doubt reveal ALL they know about Obama AND governing. BTW,
how did that government shutdown thing work out?
Obama promises: "I will cut the deficit in half by the end of my first
term", and "If I Don’t Have This Done (the economy fixed) In Three
Years, Then There’s Going To Be A One-Term Proposition." He should never have run again. He had no clue how to govern, and he still
doesn't. I hope he gets the historical rebuff he deserves.
The cry of election losers everywhere, useful nowhere: "Yeah, but if the
election were held TODAY..." Please. Save it for next time. If you've
got anything specific, say so, and we'll compare current with passed
wrongdoings. I'm just thrilled we're not at war in the two places Mitt
almost guaranteed we'd be putting "boots" on" next -Iran and
If a pilot made bad decisions, and endangered the lives of passengers, he would
be held accountable and replaced.Shouldn't we do the same with
our political leaders?We keep recycling the same people, and our
country is decaying.Time for some new leadership.
@HVH - the Washington Post must be among those birthers and voter fraud
conspiracy theorists you decry, having reported that if the election were held
today, Romney would beat Obama. Apparently many people believe they were
fooled, and wish they had voted differently. And even media outlets that were
always friendly to Obama feel the need to break ranks and report on the
ineptitude of this administration to save their own credibility. But, you keep holding on. I realize that with the blue-colored lenses
surgically implanted, some people just will not accept the most obvious
realities of this administration. Incompetence and an ends-justify-the-means
philosophy of corruption and dishonesty are the permeating hallmarks of the
Same sour grape posts by the usual " I hate Obama too" crowd who still
haven't gotten over the fact the Mitt was not seen fit for the job. No one
was fooled except those who believed the republicans would win by fox,
incidentally the same posters here who still believe the nonsense about birth
certificates and voter fraud."The level of perpetual dishonesty,
incompetence, and hubris is staggering. He fooled the majority once, shame on
him. He fooled the majority twice, shame on the majority and apparently we
deserve what we get." The actual quote is: "There's an
old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee
— that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me —
you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 -
GWB...sounds like a flashback to bush more than Obama trying to undo
the incompetent mess the former left....and since republicans have
so many ideas (none) about how to fix the mess were in (doing the same things
that brought us to this place) I don't see them getting very far in the
next (insert conspiracy here) election.
Obama has far more affinity for running, winning, and holding the office of
President than actually doing the hard work it takes to successfully run the
country. Did anyone notice any glitches in Obama's campaign machine? Both
times, they were the best coordinated, smoothest running campaigns in history.
But with everything else it takes to actually make our country work, it's
one ineptitude after another, with the Republicans inevitably blamed.The level of perpetual dishonesty, incompetence, and hubris is staggering. He
fooled the majority once, shame on him. He fooled the majority twice, shame on
the majority and apparently we deserve what we get.
Worf asks, "Is there anyone who could manage being a president?"Yeah, his name is Mitt Romney.
worf, certainly some could do a better job of it than others.
Abraham Lincoln reportedly said: "You can fool some of the people all of the
time and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't
fool all of the people all of the time."This President did a
pretty good job of fooling almost all of the people for way too long of a time,
but now foreign leaders and American citizens are starting to see him for what
he really is and that is a great orator with no ability to actually govern at
all. I'm not sure he'd recognize the truth if it were presented to
him on a platter.
Is there anyone who could manage being a president?
Charisma is not leadership. We have a president that, frankly doesn't know
how to lead and his charisma is now very tarnished. The article referred to
Obama's blatant lies about health care as a "misplaced pledge."
It's interesting that the media didn't have much problem with calling
what Nixon, Clinton and Bush did "lying." But, Obama gets away with a
OK, I'll say something. Lack of energy, That is the biggest problem. I look
at the posture of people, it's like they have the weight of the world on