@northern Funny but I seem to remember stating it wa wrong under both bush
and Obama but feel free to keep misrepresenting my comment that everyone can
read. If you wish to talk about second amendment rights perhaps you
could write a letter to the editor rather then make thin references at the end
of your post.
""When liberals first raised concerns a decade ago we were told by
conservative over and over again. "If you don't have anything to hide
you got nothing to fear" and "if you got nothing to hide why do you
care?" ""You cannot limit this statement to republicans,
more Democrats want bigger government than republicans. Being neither a
Dem nor Rep, what I don't understand is how people think we can keep the
4th amendment strong without keeping the second amendment stronger??
Bush not busy sorry.
@sgThis type of spying started shortly after 9/11 long before onObama it is just as wrong now as it was then and Obama is just as wrong to
support as busy and conservatives were to support it then. When liberals first
raised concerns a decade ago we were told by conservative over and over again.
"If you don't have anything to hide you got nothing to fear" and
"if you got nothing to hide why do you care?" I am glade conservatives
have finally joined the party but worry as soon as we get a republican in office
you will turn your back on the 4th amendment again.
I totally agree with this" A foolish faith in Authority is an
Enemy of Truth. Albert Einstein."Our politicians are like used
car salesmen selling bad cars, and the people are fools for buying it.
Deja-vu! One judge says NSA spying is unconstitutional, a second judge says the
contrary. Very much like the way that the constitutionality of the obamacare
mandate played out in the courts.
For some reason I have Rockwell s' song " I always feel like
somebody's watching me" in my head, the one were Michael Jackson sings
"New York judge rules NSA phone surveillance is legal"=============I would be fascinated to know how many of the people
who object to the ruling by this judge were in favor of the recent adverse
ruling on Utah's Amendment 3 by judge Shelby. Both cases involve
interpretations of fundamental constitutional rights and both have wide ranging
effects, all decided by a single individual.I'm of the opinion
that there is too much judicial activism and, consequently, hubris.
Particularly in the Shelby ruling since it OVERruled the clearly state will of
the people. Something that should have required much more than the judicial
whims of a single person.I also believe that much, if not most of
this kind of judicial intervention is due to a lack of administrative and
legislative leadership, both of which indicate a lack of electoral leadership.
Or at least coherent electoral leadership.But, perhaps expecting
anything else is asking too much of a democratic process that is, probably
inherently, somewhat messy and incoherent.Amazing that despite its
flaws, democratic republicanism is still almost certainly the best means of
governance around, Dennis Rodman's fondness for N. Korea notwithstanding.
William Pauley is a communist and should be removed from the bench. Since when
is it constitutionally permissible to bug the phone calls of the American
people? To simply justify it based on "national" security is
preposterous. This is exactly what the Russian communists and Chinese communists
said to its people. This judge must have been paid under the table to ignore law
and favor our current communist leader.
Well, this judge is incorrect, in fact this judge is over the top wrong and has
broken the sacred oath he swore to uphold the constitution. But what
do oaths mean any more?, Apparently, nothing.
I would rather live under constant government orchestrated false flag terror
attacks than live under surveillance. I choose dangerous freedom over safe
tyranny any day of the week.
Judges are not following the constitution. They are just picking and choosing.
Gay Marriage is unconstitutional but the right to privacy isn't? That makes
a lot of sense. Only a Revolution is going to get NSA spying to go away.
" A foolish faith in Authority is an Enemy of Truth."
Judges are not gods, and for many,--honorable do not fit them.
I have no legal training, but I believe the judge is wrong.The 4th
amendment to the US Constitution protects citizens from illegal search &
seizure. What constitutes a legal search & seizure? A main component is a
warrant, which is to be granted in cases of probable cause.For the
government to be collecting information on potentially all citizens (phone
records, internet usage, email, etc) certainly violates the 4th amendment.It appears this judge is rationalizing the abuse and violation by our
government of the 4th amendment based upon the events of 9/11, and potential
future terrorist attacks. Fear is a powerful motivator, and in this case, the
judge and our government, and the many citizens that allow this violation of the
constitution, are acting out of fear.Unfortunately, we are all the
victims of this fear and abuse, as well as the constitution.The
judge is wrong. And we are losing freedoms and appearing more and more like
failed societies of the past. Hopefully other courts will correct this
Oer the land of the searched and the home of the surveyed. Whats next
unwarranted seizures. Watch out all you Connetticut fools who just registered
your guns in support of a Nazi era Policy now your local SS I mean politicians
know who has them. We'll have to disarm those scary law abiding gunowners,
radical NRA members and conservatives 2nd amendment supporters for their own
good because their useful idiot neighbors feel uneasy. I believe the same thing
happened to a group of people in Germany and that didn't turn out to well.