From the article: "Yet hundreds of Methodist ministers have publicly
rejected the doctrine, and some face discipline for presiding over same-sex
unions. Last month, in a public challenge to church rules, a retired Methodist
bishop officiated at a wedding for two men in Alabama."This
issue is much bigger than just one pastor. This is a deep rift throughout the
United Methodist Church.As Bishop Talbert said: "Weddings are
going on all the time, all across the church, but it's privately done, and
bishops are just looking the other way, and it's time for someone to say,
'Let's deal with the elephant in the room.' "He
also said: "I declare to you that the derogatory language and restrictive
laws in the Book of Discipline are immoral and unjust and no longer deserve our
loyalty and obedience."More than 1000 ministers have signed
Talbert's call to action.Schaefer is doing a good thing by
keeping the issue of same-sex marriage front and center in the minds of the UMC
congregation. Many Christian denominations are already happy to perform same-sex
wedding ceremonies -- and I bet the UMC will be joining them before too much
There's a very interesting article about this case in the NYT today.
Here's some facts from the article:-- November, Philadelphia --
36 Methodist ministers recited the Declaration of Marriage on the steps of a
Methodist church for two gay men. -- New York -- Methodist ministers
are openly blogging about the same-sex ceremonies they're performing.-- October, Alabama -- retired Bishop Melvin Talbert conducted a church
ceremony for two gay men.-- several more ministers are already
facing trial for performing same-sex ceremonies.-- even Bishop Peggy
Johnson, Schaefer's superior in the church, has publicly stated this week
that the UMC's bans on gay ordination and gay marriages were discriminatory
and have "led to confusion by many from the outside of the church wondering
how we can talk out of two sides of our mouth."-- Schaefer has
said that he will not leave the UMC. He says "It's not that easy when a
church is your spiritual home," he said. "All my children have been
baptized in the United Methodist Church. I don't know how to be a minister
out of the United Methodist Church."
Looks like a good example of the separation between the sheep and the goats and
the wheat and the tares. Marriage, as ordained by God, is between man and woman.
As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. Invitation to
Methodist members troubled about this internal division: Come join The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. You will be loved and accepted, and is a
place where the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ is available.
@1.96 Standard Deviations;Please explain how a fictional being can
"ordain" anything?Invitation to LDS Members: Come join
those of us who are "nones"; you'll be amazed at how fulfilling
life can be when your time isn't being overwhelmed by your churches
Ranch-A fictional being can't ordain anything. God isn't
fictional -- Korihor the Anti-Christ learned about this the hard way.I am also glad The Church of Jesus Christ is demanding. "A religion that
does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power sufficient to
produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation;"In the
meantime, I am glad you keep coming back to these discussion boards, Ranch.
Since you don't let the home teachers in, who else will give you the
monthly message? :)
1.96 Standard Deviations says:"God isn't fictional
Ranch-Korihor already did. You can read about it in Alma 30.
@1.96 Standard Deviations"Korihor already did. You can read
about it in Alma 30."And I can read about Mohammed in the
Koran...and I can read about Krishna in the Vedas...and I can read about Buddha
in the Sutras...and I can read Dianetics if I really want to go off the deep
end.But guess what??None of these texts will magically
turn this country into a theocracy.
Keep the pastor defrocked!
@ 1.96 Standard Deviations Friend, I agree with your position whole
heartedly on the sanctity of traditional marriage. We must let our voice be
heard in defense of that sacred ordinance. With regards to your quote: "A
religion that does not require the sacrifice of all things never has power
sufficient to produce the faith necessary unto life and salvation;" Please
be aware that this quote which if often attributed to Joseph Smith was in fact
written by Sidney Rigdon (according to work published by Dr. Joel Reynolds at
BYU). That axiom was not a revelation and is not doctrine of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It was contained in the Lectures on Faith
which are not official doctrine of the Church. The Lectures on Faith were
"decanonized" in 1921 by The First Presidency and removed from the
Doctrine and Covenants at that time.