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Published: Thursday, Dec. 19 2013 6:57 p.m. MST

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Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

"The LDS believes in a living prophet and if you go to website and handbook and read GC addresses repeatedly tell people that Same Gender marriage and action is wrong. "

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They also believe that drinking is wrong, but it too is legal.

Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

And in other news... A federal judge just ruled that Utah's same sex marriage is unconstitutional... probably based on the US Constitution's 14th (Equal Protection) Amendment.

What? Everyone has equal rights to marry regardless of sexual orientation... provided they chose someone of the opposite sex... who is not a minor, or a close relative, or their pet, or a tree.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ miss piggie: I think you misunderstand the Utah ruling. The ruling held that under the US Constitution the Utah Constitutional Amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage is unconstitutional - thereby allowing same-sex couples in Utah to marry. And indeed, several same-sex couples were married in Utah today - they even married people of the same-sex!

Alfred
Phoenix, AZ

@Contrariusiests:
"Gay marriage does not significantly increase risk to anyone, compared to other forms of marriage. Polygamy, incest, and so on DO significantly increase risk."

Equal protection does not have its basis on who might or might not be harmed. All human interactions involve some degree of potential harm. Those who are prone to polygamy, incest, child marriages, etc., should all be able to enjoy the same rights that those who advocate same sex marriages.

"Therefore gay marriage is becoming legal -- and those other forms are not."

You need to stop posting your untruths.

Neanderthal
Phoenix, AZ

@Tyler D: "And yet God keeps creating these people… how’s that for Intelligent Design?"

God does not create homosexuality. In fact, He/She told Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth. How can that happen where two women or two men have intimate relations?

Homosexuality is not in the genes anymore than pedophilia or incestuousness both of which must be quelled acording to law.

@Really???:
"What many of you don't understand is how lonely it is as a gay man within the LDS culture.

How is it that you are alone? Do you not have gay friends that you can pal/live with? Why do you need same-sex marriage to not be alone?

"Every day I am reminded by others that if I stay true to my faith I will be alone."

That won't go away if you same-sex marry. Would you be lonely if your family disown you? What you need to do is find a way that you can overcome your same-sex attraction. Don't say it can't be done. Heterosexuals have to quell many sexual desires.

Miss Piggie
Phoenix, AZ

@Kalindra:
"@ miss piggie: I think you misunderstand the Utah ruling. The ruling held that under the US Constitution the Utah Constitutional Amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage is unconstitutional - thereby allowing same-sex couples in Utah to marry."

I think that's what I said.

And there will be appeals. And the appeals should be along the lines that everyone has the constitutional protection envisioned in the Equal Protection Article (Amendment 14) in that they can marry anyone they wish provided they marry someone of the opposite sex. There are other limits in the law regarding marriage in addition to same-sex marriage, such as minors, close relatives, pets, and even trees.

"And indeed, several same-sex couples were married in Utah today - they even married people of the same-sex!"

There goes the neighborhood... and there goes the institution of marriage, down the drain. It's been called the slippery slope. Next comes polygamy, incest, child marriages. These people are citizens and should be accorded the same Equal Protection as gay people, would you not say?.

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@Miss Piggie --

"And there will be appeals. And the appeals should be along the lines that everyone has the constitutional protection envisioned in the Equal Protection Article (Amendment 14) in that they can marry anyone they wish provided they marry someone of the opposite sex. "

And if anyone tries that argument, the obvious rebuttal will be that it didn't work for Loving v. Virginia, and it won't work now.

Back then, it was "Everyone can marry anyone they wish provided they marry someone of their own race."

You can see how well that went over with the justices who decided Loving.

"There are other limits in the law regarding marriage in addition to same-sex marriage, such as minors, close relatives, pets, and even trees."

And, of course, those limits are dependent on harm.

In stark contrast, gay marriage causes no harm to anyone.

Look up the harm principle, wrz.

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@Alfred/Miss Piggie/wrz/Mr. Bean --

"Equal protection does not have its basis on who might or might not be harmed."

All rights are limited by harm. Look up the harm principle.

"All human interactions involve some degree of potential harm."

Yup. The issue is a significantly increased risk of harm compared to other forms of marriage.

Consider drunk driving. All driving presents some risk. But drunk driving is significantly riskier than sober driving, so it is illegal.

Similarly -- polygamy, incest, etc. have a significantly higher risk of harm than other forms of marriage. Therefore they are illegal.

"You need to stop posting your untruths."

I haven't posted any untruths -- therefore there is nothing for me to stop.

"...the constitutional right to marry properly must be interpreted to apply to gay individuals and gay couples (but) does not mean that this constitutional right similarly must be understood to extend to polygamous or incestuous relationships....the state continues to have a strong and adequate justification for refusing to officially sanction polygamous or incestuous relationships because of their potentially detrimental effect on a sound family environment. ..."

In re Marriage Cases, slip op. at n. 52, 79-80.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Neanderthal

I guess your opinion alone trumps the testimony of millions of homosexuals world wide who say that they have been gay since birth. Congratulations

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