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Published: Thursday, Dec. 19 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I applaud this church and people like the Duck Dynasty guy for not being afraid of intolerant liberals, and standing up for what is right.

Keep up the good work!

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

It's nice to see someone stand up against "progressives." The Bible isn't just a "guide." People and ministers don't get to just pick and choose which of God's laws they want to live by.

The Skeptical Chymist

The church has the right to defrock this minister for failing to follow their teachings. However, I'm sure he'll be able to find another church who will be happy to have him ministering to them.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

The action taken by the Church is a blessing for the cause the minister is putting ahead of his own ministry. One look at the attention being paid by non-Methodists is evidence enough that is an issue much larger than mere Methodist theology.

Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT

Someone here wrote, "I applaud this church and people like the Duck Dynasty guy for not being afraid of intolerant liberals, and standing up for what is right."

Ok, so let me get this straight. If someone, say a liberal, rejects someone who expresses hatred based on ignorance, they are called intolerant. Furthermore, such ignorant haters are apparently standing up for what is right.

A religion that preaches harmful nonsense is not teaching anything worth while.

Back Talk
Federal Way, WA

There will always be someone willing to pay you to tell them what they want to hear.

What must be prtected is that the goverment cant punish people or churches for expressing and inforcing these beliefs.

Saint George, UT

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears". Ministers who have "itching ears" are those who, instead of listening to God and teaching God's word, listen to "followers" that want a teacher that teaches that gay marriage is ordained of God.

Cedar Hills, UT

Good to see one church at least stand for something instead of bowing to PC.

mid-state, TN

@Mainly Me --

"People and ministers don't get to just pick and choose...."

You pick and choose all the time.

Have you stoned any adulterers lately?

And speaking of divorce, do you believe Paul or Jesus? Jesus said that divorce was acceptable in cases of infidelity -- but Paul said that nobody should ever get divorced, no matter what. Which one do you pick?

Paul also said that it is better to remain single than to marry. Do you believe him?

There are many many examples of picking and choosing throughout the Bible.

Reverend Schaefer stood up for what he believes is right, and so did the Methodist Church authorities. But the issue is much larger than either one of them. As the article mentions, many Methodist ministers agree with Schaefer -- including at least one retired Methodist Bishop -- and there is a lot of support amongst the congregation as well. The public nature of Schaefer's trial and defrocking will help to keep the issue alive and urgent in all those minds.

And as Chymist already noted, most likely another denomination will be happy to take Schaefer in. Remember, several Christian denominations are already happy to perform gay wedding ceremonies.

Cedar Hills, UT

A majority of Americans now support Gay Marriage? HA!! Where was that poll taken ... San Francisco?

Hyrum, UT

@ Mr Smitty:

Ok... you did not get that straight (pun intended).

One reason a lot of people are dismissive of intolerant liberals is because they like to catagorize everyone who happens to disagree with themselves as "ignorant haters"... exactly as you did.
You're a perfect example of the kind of intolerance you mention.
And just because a church stands up for biblical morals does NOT mean it teaches "harmful nonsense". However, your soapboxing comes close.

West Bountiful, UT

Mr. Smitty, I didn't know disagreeing was hateful.

Bluffdale, UT

Wow people... this was his own Son that He was supporting that was getting married. Shame on the Methodist church, and shame on all you that are celebrating this action by this church.


So when the pastor gets sanctioned by his boss its all good but when Phil from DD gets the placed on leave its all bad and his rights are being violated? Just a thought but maybe both are wrong.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT


Nice to see you on this thread, I haven't seen your posts at all this week. Have you been reading mine?

But for this story, I completely agree with you.

Liberals are tolerant of everyone who believes like they do

Somewhere in Time, UT

It is a typical tactic of those supporting so-called gay "marriage" to characterize anyone who opposed gay so-called "marriage" as "haters." This is a bullying tactic and no one should let it intimidate them.

No hatred of any kind has been expressed by the Methodist Church. They are only following Christian teachings and the doctrine that opposes immoral behavior. No amount of political correctness, bullying or legal maneuvering will change the facts or God's laws.

Salt Lake City, UT

"A majority of Americans now support Gay Marriage? HA!! Where was that poll taken ... San Francisco?"

Nationally. Many polls have shown a majority (54% for ABCNews in May, 55% in a CNN poll in June, 54% for Gallup in July, 56% for Quinnipiac in September). It's fueled primarily by massive support amongst the under 30 crowd. Plus Utah is the state that has the least support for it and LDS members are the religion with the least support for it (yes, even slightly less than evangelicals). So maybe it's just your sample size of people you interact with that isn't representative of the nation.

Of course, young people are also notoriously bad at turning out to the polls part of why, though it did pass in states like Maryland to uphold it, the margin wasn't very large. And then it's been a year since then where it's only gotten more popular (about 5 points higher than this time last year) as another half a dozen states have added it. States with it have no interest in giving it up, even when "imposed by the court".

mid-state, TN

@patriot --

"A majority of Americans now support Gay Marriage? HA!! Where was that poll taken ... San Francisco?"

9/13 -- Quinnipiac University -- 56% of American adults and 57% of registered voters for, 36% of both groups opposed.

7/13 -- Gallup -- 54% for

7/13 -- USA Today -- 55% of Americans for, 40% against

5/13 -- Washington Post-ABC News -- 55% of Americans for, 40% against

3/13 -- CBS News -- 53% of Americans for, 39% opposed, 8% were undecided

3/13 -- Washington Post-ABC News -- 58% of Americans for, 36% against
-- This same poll indicated that even 52% of GOP-leaning independents under 50 years old supported gay marriage.

Is that enough for ya? If you want more, there's a bunch of polls from 2012 and earlier that show the same thing.


sorry cats no matter how you attempt spin it you and the Methodist church are on the side of oppression and therefore the aggressor not the victims.

Mcallen, TX

* Seldom are the majority correct.
* People going with the majority are non-thinkers.

Despite this, the majority are not for gay marriage, because the media is bias, and untruthful.

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