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Published: Thursday, Dec. 19 2013 11:56 a.m. MST

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the truth
Holladay, UT

@KJB1

So are you saying the religious and the conservative are no longer free to publically speak their views?

Is that what the progressive left means by tolerance and diversity?

It seems like a pretty narrow tent on the left.

The right has never demanded a person be fired or silenced for their views, sounds like more tolerance and diversity there.

The right has a truly bigger tent in fact and practice.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@the truth
"The right has never demanded a person be fired or silenced for their views, sounds like more tolerance and diversity there."
really so then "one million moms" and other conservative groups did not contact JcPenny and threaten to boycott them for have Ellen DeGeneers in there commercials and call for her removal less the a year ago? Here is the problem when you use easily refuted lies people kind of stop tanking you serious and that is what has hurt those that oppose gay marriage more then anything the media or liberals could ever do.

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

Just curious...would those who are posting in favor of A&E's actions feel the same about "employer rights" if they go into work tomorrow and find that they have been terminated for their posts in favor of A&E on this article? Didn't think so.

Similarly, are those who support GLBT rights now content if Utah continues to not pass non-discrimination laws so that GLBTs may be fired by their employers just for being GLBT? After all, employers can fire you for any reason right? Didn't think so.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@fred vader

"Just curious...would those who are posting in favor of A&E's actions feel the same about "employer rights" if they go into work tomorrow and find that they have been terminated for their posts in favor of A&E on this article? Didn't think so.""

would it be reasonable to think that the anonymous comments made on their private time would reflect poorly on their employer? I understand what you are saying but the comparison really does not hold as he should have reasonably understood that his interview was directly tied to his work and would therefore reflect on his employer.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

What a pathetic display of offended individuals!

Every time the LGBT community fights for our rights we have been accused of "shoving our sexuality in you throats".

We have grown up hearing that our nature is unnatural, that our love in ungodly, that our relationships are an aberration and a threat to humanity.

Now we only ask is to obtain the same rights you have. We have been censored by our churches and even our families.

You cry foul when you are accused of bigotry. Yet, when this gentleman Phil makes homosexuality a synonym of bestiality, greed and other epithets you come out once again defending your right to offend, insult and remain ignorant of a variant of life that you discriminate because you don't understand it and cannot accept it.

The wheels of history keep on turning and you are choosing to remain behind. New Mexico just passed SSM. Other states and countries will follow. We don't need your personal approval. We will fight until the law of the land gives us and all other oppressed group the rights that you enjoy and yet you deny to us.

Californian#1@94131
San Francisco, CA

When was the last time a network canned anyone for making a statement categorizing supporters of traditional marriage as homophobic, bigoted neanderthals?

Or are "disparaging" statements a naughty thing to be punished only when they fall on the wrong end of the political correctness scale?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Some of you are misinterpreting freedom of speech. The first Amendment protects from government infringement of speech. This wasn't the gov't, it was a company deciding that there was an issue.

Bob K
porland, OR

DN refused my comment quoting what he ACTUALLY said, which was pretty much not only vile and disgustingly stated, but lacked any semblance of truth.

Other sources show his complete diatribe of a few years ago, suggesting that the Gays performed the most vile acts, leading to incest, bestiality, and the ruin of innocent people's morals

Still other sources quote him as saying that Southern Black People were happy before the Civil Rights Movement caused everyone so much trouble.

I am very disappointed by comments like these:
Ted
Saint George, UT
...The behavior of public stoning towards good people who made a slight miniscule goof with their words is getting out of control...
Kathy.
Iowa, Iowa
All he said was that he did not understand the attraction. He also said that he believed that some things are sin. He should be free to speak. He did not say anything negative about anyone.

He DID say awful, terrible things

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Californian#1@94131 --

"When was the last time a network canned anyone for making a statement categorizing supporters of traditional marriage as homophobic, bigoted neanderthals? "

When was the last time you heard a TV star calling "supporters of traditional marriage" homophobic, bigoted neanderthals?

Name one.

I bet you can't.

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Contrarius: "Two words: Dixie Chicks."

Sorry - big difference. The Dixie Chicks were boycotted by individuals, radio stations, etc. They were not dropped from their label, etc. Personally, I totally disagreed with how they were treated. I even bought their last disc when it came out...

The difference is that, when it comes to the LGBT, there is government and court sanctioned hypocrisy. Business owners are being attacked because they do not want to serve potential gay customers. It is not like a gay person cannot get those products elsewhere - they refuse to and use the courts as their personal bully to shut down those who try to follow Christian values and doctrine.

Contrariuser
mid-state, TN

@RedWings --

"Sorry - big difference."

Nope.

In addition to the media attacks and boycotts -- which, btw, we also often hear conservatives rail against (remember Orson Scott Card?) -- they were also dumped by their sponsors. Also, concert venues and/or radio stations refused to sell tickets or advertise their concerts.

And all because they dared to criticize President Bush.

"Business owners are being attacked because they do not want to serve potential gay customers."

Businesses must comply with ALL the laws of the jurisdictions under which they operate. It's a very simple principle -- no hypocrisy involved.

"It is not like a gay person cannot get those products elsewhere"

And those black college kids at the lunch counter in Walgreens could have gone to eat somewhere else, too. Do you think they should have?

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

Contrarius said:
"When was the last time you heard a TV star calling "supporters of traditional marriage" homophobic, bigoted neanderthals? Name one. I bet you can't."

How about Lisa Bloom, former CNN legal analyst, and current NBC Today legal analyst (and daughter of Gloria Allred), who once said of Prop 8 supporters: "Now, only lunatic-fringe bigots would support those laws."

Does she count? So, there's one.

I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

I don't know where we, as a country, are going to end up regarding religious freedom and all that.

But I have tried to be a Christian for my entire life, and I cannot find anywhere in scripture or the teachings of those I hold as prophets where it says it is God's will that I:

- refuse service to those who believe differently than I believe

- insist that all my employees believe and live the exact same "values" that I live

- deny human dignity and respect to those who love differently than I do

- mingle my religious beliefs and the influence of my Church with politics to ensure that my religious beliefs become enforceable law of the land at the expense of other's religious (or nonreligious) beliefs

- focus on and obsess with one, particularly "icky sin" (rather than all the other sins) and treat those who engage in it as sub-human or second-class citizens by denying them fair housing, fair employment, equal service from legal businesses, and equality before the law in every way, shape and form.

Why don't "values" business owners refuse service and employment to ALL sinners?

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

Contrarius said:
"When was the last time you heard a TV star calling "supporters of traditional marriage" homophobic, bigoted neanderthals? Name one. I bet you can't."

What about Tom Hanks, who called Mormons "un-American" for supporting Prop 8? He used to be a star on TV in a role where he dressed as a lady, if I remember correctly. Does he count? So there's two...

Need I go on?

RedWings
CLEARFIELD, UT

Contrarius: "When was the last time you heard a TV star calling "supporters of traditional marriage" homophobic, bigoted neanderthals?"

How about Rosie O'Donnell?

Contrariuser
mid-state, TN

@Fred Vader --

"How about Lisa Bloom, former CNN legal analyst"

Operative term: FORMER.

The question was "When was the last time a network canned anyone for making a statement...".

You can't can 'em if they don't make the statement at the time they are working for you.

"What about Tom Hanks"

Again -- FORMER TV star.

You can't can 'em if they don't make the statement at the time they are working for you.

Keep trying.

Fred Vaderer
Oklahoma City, OK

Nice attempt to spin...apparently you didn't read what you wrote, or what I wrote...

Lisa Bloom is "former CNN", but CURRENT "NBC Today"....i.e. she still works on TV...

And I quoted you directly. Your question was not "when last canned" but "when last heard them say"

I gave you two examples of TV stars who made the comments, and you said you bet not even 1 could be found. You lose. Just accept it.

Contrariuser
mid-state, TN

@Fred --

"Nice attempt to spin...apparently you didn't read what you wrote, or what I wrote..."

Guess again. Lisa made that comment three years BEFORE NBC hired her.

Again, ya can't fire somebody for something they said when they weren't even working for ya.

Keep trying.

"And I quoted you directly."

And I was responding to the question "When was the last time a network canned anyone for making a statement...".

Context is everything, Fred.

Keep trying.

Fred Vaderer
Oklahoma City, OK

Contrarius....typical, you are losing your own bet so you have to change the rules after I already won. Fine. How is this for "current"....this was just stated by CNN's Piers Morgan..,"Just as the 2nd Amendment shouldn't protect assault rifle devotees, so the 1st Amendment shouldn't protect vile bigots."

"Current" TV star....and "current" statement.

Vader 3....Contrarius 0

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@Fred Vaderer --

"...so you have to change the rules after I already won."

Nope. The context was there before you ever entered the conversation.

"....this was just stated by CNN's Piers Morgan..,"

That's a good one.

Even more directly, Morgan said in a tweet: "Phil Robertson is not a 'victim of political correctness'. He's a victim of his own repulsively racist, homophobic bigotry."

(btw -- Personally, I don't think Robertson is a racist. If I recall correctly, one of his sons has biracial adopted kids.)

This one is a good example for furthering the discussion.

Now -- can you guess why Piers is not likely to get fired or suspended?

Let's see....possibly because it's his job to state his various opinions and viewpoints?

Did anyone expect Rush Limbaugh to get fired when he called a Georgetown University law student a slut and a prostitute? Nope. Giving opinions -- even obnoxious ones -- is part of his job.

Both Morgan and Limbaugh are employed by news/opinion/current affairs organizations specifically for their outspoken opinions on current topics.

In contrast, Robertson is employed by a non-news entertainment network because he's funny.

See the difference?

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