It never ceases to amaze me that a group that espouses small government, fiscal
responsibility, and constitutional rule of law are considered "extreme."
Heaven help us.
To "Baccus0902" luckily for most of us conservatives, we know what
socialism has done around the world, and can see that it does not work.It is your ilk that does not like the Tea Party movement, and use whatever
boogyman they can to make people fear it. All the while you are following
without questioning the motives behind people like Warren Buffett and Michael
Bloomberg and their push towards socialism.If socialism is so great,
why is it that when it is put fully into practice people suffer and economies
fail? You should ask yourself why is it that socialism can only exist if it has
capitalism to leech off of?FYI, the US is not a Democracy. It is a
Republic, that is in the Constitution. You should look for other lies that
liberals and your ilk have pushed over the years.To
"yarrlydarb" how could Lee and Cruz be the cause of the shutdown, when
it was the Senate Democrats lead by Harry Reid that voted down the budget passed
by the House?To "LDS Liberal" there is a point at which
compromise is no longer good. This is more like a woman divorcing her drunkard
‘Can this marriage be saved? Republican leaders, hard-right groups show
signs of political divorce’=========Marriage
requires compromising.The Tea-Party does not compromise.The
Tea-Party has also become an abusive spouse.Time to get a divorce.
@the TruthNo principles were compromised? Some of those compromises
were about slavery, sir. I would say that relates to a fundamental principle.
"...Despite your liberal fantasies, the tea party is not losing ground and
not going away, and Lee will be a senator for a long time...".lee being a Senator for a long time?That is the source of the
problem.lee?Of course not.lee is
interchangeable with everyone of the other 99 in at least one crucial way...Serve 2 terms max...Then get out of the way.No
more lifetime politicians feeding at the public trough.Until this
underlying cancer is dealt with...We will forever be rearranging
deck chairs on the Titanic.
Conservatives have one thing Obama and the RINOs do not: Candor.While
Boehner and Obama tell us how wonderful it is to have trespassing illegal aliens
and spend money we don't have, real conservatives are telling it like it
I just think that hard conservative people or groups need to understand that the
Senate is still in the hands of the Democrats, and Harry Reid. The White House
of course has Obama for 3 more years. The power to correct the spending
problems in America will not exist unless/until the Republicans get both the
White House and Senate. Until then tread water, and hopefully use the 2014
midterm election to begin that process. Right now is a golden opportunity to
begin the campaign. Don't lose it by running another shutdown type tactic
that will only allow Obama, the Democrats, and media to pound the Republicans
again. With the bad Obamacare rollout, and with likely more negative things
coming on that issue in 2014, the Republicans need to see the big picture
potential in the coming 3 years.
Paul Ryan is looking better everyday. Makes one wonder if the GOP could have won
that last election with a Ryan/Romney ticket.
@@Baccus0902Your man Lee along with Cruz cost this country more than
$20,000,000,000 in sixteen days of government shutdown. And they'd do it
again, if they could.Anyone who thinks that Lee and Cruz have the
best interests of U.S. citizens at heart are walking down "Dupes'
Road."Just ask the literal thousands of Utahans who suffered
from their actions.
@HaHaHaHaI couldn't agree more with your statement
"Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough."But
unlike you, it's for the opposite reason.The far right,
including the tepartiers are on their way out and I cannot wait to see it
@Baccus0902The Koch Brothers are libertarians.It would behoove
you more to worry about the about the billionaires controlling the left. @micawberThose compromises did not come until after a great
deal of fighting. And no principles were compromised. Great compromises only
come through a refiners fire not by going along to get along.@all
liberalsDespite your liberal fantasies, the tea party is not losing
ground and not going away, and Lee will be a senator for a long time.
I guess balancing the budget is going out of favor.
Hopefully the divorce goes through, and the republican party can start to
@ Thid Barker I'm taking my $2500 and driving to Victor, Idaho and
buying a T-shirt...@ Linus I'm glad Mike Lee is your
Senator. He surely isn't mine. I hope you enjoy his one term and gone cause
he is toast.
The Republicans are eating their own.... Let's have a Tea Party.Tea Baggers should be required to take an American History class and a
Constitutional studies class and then have their tea party.
He said that some of the newer senators have caught on to "the
disinformation, getting people to call offices, send in small donations to a
website." Newer senators? Can you say Mike Lee?
re:LinusGreat post! Completely agree.
VST: Mike Lee is my Representative, and he has earned my future votes.
Boehner and McCain and Hatch and McConnell are phony conservatives who pander
to the voters in order to maintain their power and their careers. Get out of
the way, all of you! Let the courageous men of principle have a shot at saving
America and its Constitution.
"If Mitch McConnell and John Boehner think the grass roots are going to sit
back and let them continue to work with Democrats to mortgage our nation's
future, they're mistaken," Matt Hoskins, executive director of the
Senate Conservatives Fund, said in a statement"What a hypocrite,
no group manipulated by the Koch Brothers can be a grass roots movement.Cougsndawgs wrote: " I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their
cronies are just laughing their heads off at the chasm that is widening in the
GOP allowing our government to be completely handed to them on a silver
platter"I confess the temptation to laugh is very strong.
However, it's not a laughable matter. Our country is the bastion of
Democracy in the world because historically our political leaders have worked
together reaching compromises.The USA needs to have strong
Democratic Party leaders and strong Republican Party leaders. Leaders whose
allegiance should be to the country not to their political parties.The Tea Party have poisoned the GOP with its "fanatical certitude".
For them Democracy is Socialism and the term "Socialism" for them is
pregnant with fear, a litany of fallacies, and predictions of doom.
With a few exceptions, the Republicans are bought and paid for by lobbyists.
Among them are VERY powerful amnesty lobbyists.True conservatives
WILL abandon the Republicans (hopefully) and form a new third party.I believe there are actually a lot of democrats that would be interested in a
"new" third party. Those democrats who hate spying on Americans, those
democrats who don't like being lied to, those democrats who respect the
rule of law; to name a few.Republicans and demos. alike work for
lobbyists, and lobbyists ONLY!
I think there was lots of compromise among the founders, at least when it came
to the Constitutional Convention. These compromises included: 1) the 3/5
compromise relating to how count slaves for purposes of representation. 2) the
commerce compromise between northern and southern states on the issue of
tariffs. 3) the slave trade compromise, in which northern states agreed to wait
until 1808 before considering a ban on the slave trade. 4) the electoral
college, which was a compromise between those who favored a direct election and
those who feared the electorate would be uninformed.5) the Great Compromise
relating to a bicameral legislature and its function. In a speech in 1788,
Alexander Hamilton described some of the conflicts between the states in that
convention. He said, " It became necessary, therefore, to compromise, or the
convention must have dissolved without effecting any thing."To
describe the "founders" as radicals is a mere caricature. Not everyone
was Patrick Henry.
If you sow the wind you will reap the whirlwind. The public isn't
interested in radicals of either party. This political divorce is overdue.
hard right? What does hard right mean? As opposed to what - soft middle or
perhaps progressive middle? The divorce between the big government progressive
career politicians (John McCain, Orin Hatch, etc) and the fresh face
conservatives (Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, etc...) has already happened three
months ago. I want nothing to do with the Republican Party anymore so long as it
has leaders who are nothing more than progressive luke warm pastel politicians
who want political survival more than they want America to survive as an
economic power where the American dream is still alive. The original founders
were NOT luke warm compromisers - none of them were!!! These men were considered
radicals who were thought by many to be insane. It was these insane radicals
that created our constitution and bill of rights and MADE America. This was a
task NOT for the faint of heart but only for those who were willing to put their
political necks on the chopping block in order to create a new world of freedom
and prosperity. Today we have the same sort of thing - the true conservatives
and the good ole boy progressives who want the status - quo.
And the fall of the GOP and red carpet laid out for Dems to control congress
begins. I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their cronies are just laughing their
heads off at the chasm that is widening in the GOP allowing our government to be
completely handed to them on a silver platter. Regardless of your values and
conservative ideals, republicans need to come together because the real
"mortgaging of our future" is taking place because Dems will control
offices while republicans fight amongst themselves. Mark my words, this rift
being caused by both republican leaders and so called "outside groups"
will have devastating repercussions on our nations future. It's time for
the GOP to win together or lose divided...writing's on the wall people, and
apparently the Dems are the only ones that can read it.
Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough! Why would conservative want
to be saddled to republicans, that are really democrats?
The news media and the left love to make a big deal out of this division in the
GOP. I don't think it is a big deal because there have always been
divisions in the GOP just as there have been and are now in the Democratic
Party. As a matter of fact, many Demos are on the verge of revolt against
Obamacare and are running for cover fearing re-election backlash. By the way,
how are we all going to spend the $2500 Obama promised we would save on
insurance premiums because of Obamacare? Merry Christmas everyone!
Fiscal conservatives who are trying to save our nation from fiscal collapse
understand that replacing socialist Democrats with Republicans isn't enough
when we have so many existing Republicans that are just "Democrat-lite".
Reform has to take place within the Republican Party itself."Tea Party" is just one name for the movement for government fiscal
responsibility. But the name itself doesn't really matter. What matters
is that fiscal conservatives who want more responsible government will continue
to work to save the nation.Boehner just doesn't realize yet
that he's part of the problem, not the "Tea Party" types.