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Can this marriage be saved? Republican leaders, hard-right groups show signs of political divorce

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  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    It never ceases to amaze me that a group that espouses small government, fiscal responsibility, and constitutional rule of law are considered "extreme." Heaven help us.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    To "Baccus0902" luckily for most of us conservatives, we know what socialism has done around the world, and can see that it does not work.

    It is your ilk that does not like the Tea Party movement, and use whatever boogyman they can to make people fear it. All the while you are following without questioning the motives behind people like Warren Buffett and Michael Bloomberg and their push towards socialism.

    If socialism is so great, why is it that when it is put fully into practice people suffer and economies fail? You should ask yourself why is it that socialism can only exist if it has capitalism to leech off of?

    FYI, the US is not a Democracy. It is a Republic, that is in the Constitution. You should look for other lies that liberals and your ilk have pushed over the years.

    To "yarrlydarb" how could Lee and Cruz be the cause of the shutdown, when it was the Senate Democrats lead by Harry Reid that voted down the budget passed by the House?

    To "LDS Liberal" there is a point at which compromise is no longer good. This is more like a woman divorcing her drunkard husband.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    ‘Can this marriage be saved? Republican leaders, hard-right groups show signs of political divorce’

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    Marriage requires compromising.
    The Tea-Party does not compromise.

    The Tea-Party has also become an abusive spouse.

    Time to get a divorce.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    @the Truth

    No principles were compromised? Some of those compromises were about slavery, sir. I would say that relates to a fundamental principle.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    "...Despite your liberal fantasies, the tea party is not losing ground and not going away, and Lee will be a senator for a long time...".

    lee being a Senator for a long time?

    That is the source of the problem.

    lee?

    Of course not.

    lee is interchangeable with everyone of the other 99 in at least one crucial way...

    Serve 2 terms max...

    Then get out of the way.

    No more lifetime politicians feeding at the public trough.

    Until this underlying cancer is dealt with...

    We will forever be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    Conservatives have one thing Obama and the RINOs do not: Candor.
    While Boehner and Obama tell us how wonderful it is to have trespassing illegal aliens and spend money we don't have, real conservatives are telling it like it is.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 3:36 a.m.

    I just think that hard conservative people or groups need to understand that the Senate is still in the hands of the Democrats, and Harry Reid. The White House of course has Obama for 3 more years. The power to correct the spending problems in America will not exist unless/until the Republicans get both the White House and Senate. Until then tread water, and hopefully use the 2014 midterm election to begin that process. Right now is a golden opportunity to begin the campaign. Don't lose it by running another shutdown type tactic that will only allow Obama, the Democrats, and media to pound the Republicans again. With the bad Obamacare rollout, and with likely more negative things coming on that issue in 2014, the Republicans need to see the big picture potential in the coming 3 years.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    Paul Ryan is looking better everyday. Makes one wonder if the GOP could have won that last election with a Ryan/Romney ticket.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    @@Baccus0902

    Your man Lee along with Cruz cost this country more than $20,000,000,000 in sixteen days of government shutdown. And they'd do it again, if they could.

    Anyone who thinks that Lee and Cruz have the best interests of U.S. citizens at heart are walking down "Dupes' Road."

    Just ask the literal thousands of Utahans who suffered from their actions.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    @HaHaHaHa

    I couldn't agree more with your statement "Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough."

    But unlike you, it's for the opposite reason.

    The far right, including the tepartiers are on their way out and I cannot wait to see it happen.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    @Baccus0902

    The Koch Brothers are libertarians.
    It would behoove you more to worry about the about the billionaires controlling the left.

    @micawber

    Those compromises did not come until after a great deal of fighting. And no principles were compromised. Great compromises only come through a refiners fire not by going along to get along.

    @all liberals

    Despite your liberal fantasies, the tea party is not losing ground and not going away, and Lee will be a senator for a long time.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    I guess balancing the budget is going out of favor.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Hopefully the divorce goes through, and the republican party can start to function again.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    @ Thid Barker
    I'm taking my $2500 and driving to Victor, Idaho and buying a T-shirt...

    @ Linus
    I'm glad Mike Lee is your Senator. He surely isn't mine. I hope you enjoy his one term and gone cause he is toast.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    The Republicans are eating their own.... Let's have a Tea Party.

    Tea Baggers should be required to take an American History class and a Constitutional studies class and then have their tea party.

  • Scott G. NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    He said that some of the newer senators have caught on to "the disinformation, getting people to call offices, send in small donations to a website." Newer senators? Can you say Mike Lee?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    re:Linus

    Great post! Completely agree.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    VST:
    Mike Lee is my Representative, and he has earned my future votes. Boehner and McCain and Hatch and McConnell are phony conservatives who pander to the voters in order to maintain their power and their careers. Get out of the way, all of you! Let the courageous men of principle have a shot at saving America and its Constitution.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 16, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    "If Mitch McConnell and John Boehner think the grass roots are going to sit back and let them continue to work with Democrats to mortgage our nation's future, they're mistaken," Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, said in a statement"

    What a hypocrite, no group manipulated by the Koch Brothers can be a grass roots movement.

    Cougsndawgs wrote: " I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their cronies are just laughing their heads off at the chasm that is widening in the GOP allowing our government to be completely handed to them on a silver platter"

    I confess the temptation to laugh is very strong. However, it's not a laughable matter. Our country is the bastion of Democracy in the world because historically our political leaders have worked together reaching compromises.

    The USA needs to have strong Democratic Party leaders and strong Republican Party leaders. Leaders whose allegiance should be to the country not to their political parties.

    The Tea Party have poisoned the GOP with its "fanatical certitude". For them Democracy is Socialism and the term "Socialism" for them is pregnant with fear, a litany of fallacies, and predictions of doom.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    With a few exceptions, the Republicans are bought and paid for by lobbyists. Among them are VERY powerful amnesty lobbyists.

    True conservatives WILL abandon the Republicans (hopefully) and form a new third party.

    I believe there are actually a lot of democrats that would be interested in a "new" third party. Those democrats who hate spying on Americans, those democrats who don't like being lied to, those democrats who respect the rule of law; to name a few.

    Republicans and demos. alike work for lobbyists, and lobbyists ONLY!

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    I think there was lots of compromise among the founders, at least when it came to the Constitutional Convention. These compromises included: 1) the 3/5 compromise relating to how count slaves for purposes of representation. 2) the commerce compromise between northern and southern states on the issue of tariffs. 3) the slave trade compromise, in which northern states agreed to wait until 1808 before considering a ban on the slave trade. 4) the electoral college, which was a compromise between those who favored a direct election and those who feared the electorate would be uninformed.5) the Great Compromise relating to a bicameral legislature and its function.
    In a speech in 1788, Alexander Hamilton described some of the conflicts between the states in that convention. He said, " It became necessary, therefore, to compromise, or the convention must have dissolved without effecting any thing."
    To describe the "founders" as radicals is a mere caricature. Not everyone was Patrick Henry.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 16, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    If you sow the wind you will reap the whirlwind. The public isn't interested in radicals of either party. This political divorce is overdue.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    hard right? What does hard right mean? As opposed to what - soft middle or perhaps progressive middle? The divorce between the big government progressive career politicians (John McCain, Orin Hatch, etc) and the fresh face conservatives (Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, etc...) has already happened three months ago. I want nothing to do with the Republican Party anymore so long as it has leaders who are nothing more than progressive luke warm pastel politicians who want political survival more than they want America to survive as an economic power where the American dream is still alive. The original founders were NOT luke warm compromisers - none of them were!!! These men were considered radicals who were thought by many to be insane. It was these insane radicals that created our constitution and bill of rights and MADE America. This was a task NOT for the faint of heart but only for those who were willing to put their political necks on the chopping block in order to create a new world of freedom and prosperity. Today we have the same sort of thing - the true conservatives and the good ole boy progressives who want the status - quo.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    And the fall of the GOP and red carpet laid out for Dems to control congress begins. I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their cronies are just laughing their heads off at the chasm that is widening in the GOP allowing our government to be completely handed to them on a silver platter. Regardless of your values and conservative ideals, republicans need to come together because the real "mortgaging of our future" is taking place because Dems will control offices while republicans fight amongst themselves. Mark my words, this rift being caused by both republican leaders and so called "outside groups" will have devastating repercussions on our nations future. It's time for the GOP to win together or lose divided...writing's on the wall people, and apparently the Dems are the only ones that can read it.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough! Why would conservative want to be saddled to republicans, that are really democrats?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    The news media and the left love to make a big deal out of this division in the GOP. I don't think it is a big deal because there have always been divisions in the GOP just as there have been and are now in the Democratic Party. As a matter of fact, many Demos are on the verge of revolt against Obamacare and are running for cover fearing re-election backlash. By the way, how are we all going to spend the $2500 Obama promised we would save on insurance premiums because of Obamacare? Merry Christmas everyone!

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Fiscal conservatives who are trying to save our nation from fiscal collapse understand that replacing socialist Democrats with Republicans isn't enough when we have so many existing Republicans that are just "Democrat-lite". Reform has to take place within the Republican Party itself.

    "Tea Party" is just one name for the movement for government fiscal responsibility. But the name itself doesn't really matter. What matters is that fiscal conservatives who want more responsible government will continue to work to save the nation.

    Boehner just doesn't realize yet that he's part of the problem, not the "Tea Party" types.