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Published: Monday, Dec. 16 2013 1:51 p.m. MST

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Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

Fiscal conservatives who are trying to save our nation from fiscal collapse understand that replacing socialist Democrats with Republicans isn't enough when we have so many existing Republicans that are just "Democrat-lite". Reform has to take place within the Republican Party itself.

"Tea Party" is just one name for the movement for government fiscal responsibility. But the name itself doesn't really matter. What matters is that fiscal conservatives who want more responsible government will continue to work to save the nation.

Boehner just doesn't realize yet that he's part of the problem, not the "Tea Party" types.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

The news media and the left love to make a big deal out of this division in the GOP. I don't think it is a big deal because there have always been divisions in the GOP just as there have been and are now in the Democratic Party. As a matter of fact, many Demos are on the verge of revolt against Obamacare and are running for cover fearing re-election backlash. By the way, how are we all going to spend the $2500 Obama promised we would save on insurance premiums because of Obamacare? Merry Christmas everyone!

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough! Why would conservative want to be saddled to republicans, that are really democrats?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

And the fall of the GOP and red carpet laid out for Dems to control congress begins. I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their cronies are just laughing their heads off at the chasm that is widening in the GOP allowing our government to be completely handed to them on a silver platter. Regardless of your values and conservative ideals, republicans need to come together because the real "mortgaging of our future" is taking place because Dems will control offices while republicans fight amongst themselves. Mark my words, this rift being caused by both republican leaders and so called "outside groups" will have devastating repercussions on our nations future. It's time for the GOP to win together or lose divided...writing's on the wall people, and apparently the Dems are the only ones that can read it.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

hard right? What does hard right mean? As opposed to what - soft middle or perhaps progressive middle? The divorce between the big government progressive career politicians (John McCain, Orin Hatch, etc) and the fresh face conservatives (Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul, etc...) has already happened three months ago. I want nothing to do with the Republican Party anymore so long as it has leaders who are nothing more than progressive luke warm pastel politicians who want political survival more than they want America to survive as an economic power where the American dream is still alive. The original founders were NOT luke warm compromisers - none of them were!!! These men were considered radicals who were thought by many to be insane. It was these insane radicals that created our constitution and bill of rights and MADE America. This was a task NOT for the faint of heart but only for those who were willing to put their political necks on the chopping block in order to create a new world of freedom and prosperity. Today we have the same sort of thing - the true conservatives and the good ole boy progressives who want the status - quo.

VST
Bountiful, UT

If John Boehner were my Representative, he would have my vote!

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

If you sow the wind you will reap the whirlwind. The public isn't interested in radicals of either party. This political divorce is overdue.

micawber
Centerville, UT

I think there was lots of compromise among the founders, at least when it came to the Constitutional Convention. These compromises included: 1) the 3/5 compromise relating to how count slaves for purposes of representation. 2) the commerce compromise between northern and southern states on the issue of tariffs. 3) the slave trade compromise, in which northern states agreed to wait until 1808 before considering a ban on the slave trade. 4) the electoral college, which was a compromise between those who favored a direct election and those who feared the electorate would be uninformed.5) the Great Compromise relating to a bicameral legislature and its function.
In a speech in 1788, Alexander Hamilton described some of the conflicts between the states in that convention. He said, " It became necessary, therefore, to compromise, or the convention must have dissolved without effecting any thing."
To describe the "founders" as radicals is a mere caricature. Not everyone was Patrick Henry.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

With a few exceptions, the Republicans are bought and paid for by lobbyists. Among them are VERY powerful amnesty lobbyists.

True conservatives WILL abandon the Republicans (hopefully) and form a new third party.

I believe there are actually a lot of democrats that would be interested in a "new" third party. Those democrats who hate spying on Americans, those democrats who don't like being lied to, those democrats who respect the rule of law; to name a few.

Republicans and demos. alike work for lobbyists, and lobbyists ONLY!

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

"If Mitch McConnell and John Boehner think the grass roots are going to sit back and let them continue to work with Democrats to mortgage our nation's future, they're mistaken," Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, said in a statement"

What a hypocrite, no group manipulated by the Koch Brothers can be a grass roots movement.

Cougsndawgs wrote: " I'm sure Obama, Reid, and all their cronies are just laughing their heads off at the chasm that is widening in the GOP allowing our government to be completely handed to them on a silver platter"

I confess the temptation to laugh is very strong. However, it's not a laughable matter. Our country is the bastion of Democracy in the world because historically our political leaders have worked together reaching compromises.

The USA needs to have strong Democratic Party leaders and strong Republican Party leaders. Leaders whose allegiance should be to the country not to their political parties.

The Tea Party have poisoned the GOP with its "fanatical certitude". For them Democracy is Socialism and the term "Socialism" for them is pregnant with fear, a litany of fallacies, and predictions of doom.

Linus
Bountiful, UT

VST:
Mike Lee is my Representative, and he has earned my future votes. Boehner and McCain and Hatch and McConnell are phony conservatives who pander to the voters in order to maintain their power and their careers. Get out of the way, all of you! Let the courageous men of principle have a shot at saving America and its Constitution.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Linus

Great post! Completely agree.

Scott G.
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

He said that some of the newer senators have caught on to "the disinformation, getting people to call offices, send in small donations to a website." Newer senators? Can you say Mike Lee?

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

The Republicans are eating their own.... Let's have a Tea Party.

Tea Baggers should be required to take an American History class and a Constitutional studies class and then have their tea party.

VST
Bountiful, UT

Linus,

Mike Lee is not your Representative - he is your Senator. He did not get my vote in 2010 and he will not get my vote in 2016, and I am a life-long fairly conservative Republican.

In that 2010 Primary Election, Lee won by just 51% of the vote – a mere 2% margin. That is NOT a ringing endorsement from Utah Republican voters as a whole.

owlmaster2
Kaysville, UT

@ Thid Barker
I'm taking my $2500 and driving to Victor, Idaho and buying a T-shirt...

@ Linus
I'm glad Mike Lee is your Senator. He surely isn't mine. I hope you enjoy his one term and gone cause he is toast.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Hopefully the divorce goes through, and the republican party can start to function again.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

I guess balancing the budget is going out of favor.

the truth
Holladay, UT

@Baccus0902

The Koch Brothers are libertarians.
It would behoove you more to worry about the about the billionaires controlling the left.

@micawber

Those compromises did not come until after a great deal of fighting. And no principles were compromised. Great compromises only come through a refiners fire not by going along to get along.

@all liberals

Despite your liberal fantasies, the tea party is not losing ground and not going away, and Lee will be a senator for a long time.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

@HaHaHaHa

I couldn't agree more with your statement "Divorce? Bring it on! Can't happen fast enough."

But unlike you, it's for the opposite reason.

The far right, including the tepartiers are on their way out and I cannot wait to see it happen.

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