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Poll: Obama's health care law blamed for rising premiums and deductibles, eroding coverage

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  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 19, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    @postaledith - the reason we all know you're right is that all Republicans and conservatives were praising Romneycare so wildly.

    Oh wait...

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 18, 2013 10:04 p.m.

    @postaledith "I wonder what people would be saying if this Health Care Plan had been carried out by Mitt Romney."

    It might depend on whether he had lied to everyone to get it passed. But, one way or another, if it were an identical plan, it would be subject to all the same criticisms. I'd be saying it stinks. Taxing people for what they don't buy is a bad idea, whether it comes from a Democrat or a Republican.

  • postaledith Freeland, WA
    Dec. 17, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    I wonder what people would be saying if this Health Care Plan had been carried out by Mitt Romney. I'm sure a different tune. Time to get off your soapboxes and admit your prejudice. The part of our country that is going down the toilet is the religious and self-righteous.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 17, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    If you don't like your president. Too bad! You still get to keep him.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Dec. 17, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    If you think Obama is at least somewhat responsible for the problems with Obamacare,
    you might be a Republican.

    If you think Obama is at least somewhat responsible for the state of the economy,
    you might be a republican.

    If you think President Obama has lied to the citizens of this country,
    you might be a republican.

    If you think in 5 years as president, Obama has shaped this country for the worse,
    you might be a republican.

    If you think, after 5 years as president, Obama has no ownership of the condition in this country,
    you are basically admitting he is ineffective and incapable. - so you worship him!

    If you think all that is good comes from Obama and all that is negative comes from, Bush, you are a brainwashed democrat.

    The ACA, Obama's crowning achievement, a purely democrat creation, doesn't address the problem with health care, it's outrageous price. It just assumes that health care is priced just fine, or should cost more, and that someone else should pay for it.

    Those of us on the right disagree, not because of race, or party, but because we think health care should cost less to make it affordable.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 16, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    Cannot blame Obama.

    He said we would save $2,500 a year, and we can keep our plans, and doctors.

    Obama would not lie about this.

    The fault are either the Republicans, Tea Party, or George Bush.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Were the people that put out this poll the same ones who promised us a new, competent leader in the WH?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    Ernest,
    Obamacare does nothing to address the problem you mention, it only acerbates it.

    atl134,
    who pays for subsidies? Obamacare does NOTHING about costs. To say, "someone else pays it” is typical liberal irresponsibility.

  • Mexican Ute mexico, 00
    Dec. 16, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    All of these shenanigans with this health reform should point back to one and only one answer:

    Socialism does not work!

    If you have a buisness, when there is more demand for a product, you have to raise the prices of your product to ensure that there will not be any shortages (and lower quality). Either that or raise the supply (which by the way is falling in the case of doctors for health care). Even if you do raise the supply you will still need to raise your prices because you will be paying more to the supplier to get even say 100 new widgets.

    If you try to control the prices (a la Maduro in Venezuela), you will have shortages (and lower quality).

    This is basic economics and basic math. Obama should NOT have made any of those promises, but he had never run anything previous to being a president.

    There are lots of people on both sides of the aisle that suffer from a shocking economic illiteracy.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    @atl

    You can say that again.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    I wanted to ask everyone how they are going to spend the $2500 Obama promised his healthcare law would save them in insurance premiums each year?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @ atl134
    Where does the money come from that accounts for these subsidies?
    So if I am getting this right since I make to much to get a subsidy, I foot the increased premium bill. Coming January 1st I am making significantly less than this month.
    I know the answers to where the money comes from, I actually read through the law.
    One thing that is crazy about it. If a small employer pays his employees on average more than 50,000 a year he cannot receive tax credits.
    That is forcing the employer to either cut wages or lose more money.
    I have 500 more little things I can inform you on.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    @Redshirt

    "This year, thanks to Obamacare we get a 41% increase. See Forbes article "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%"."

    That study didn't take into account subsidies so I will ask you again, and this time try not to pass on misleading information... are premiums actually increasing for people?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    @Redshirt

    "This year, thanks to Obamacare we get a 41% increase. See Forbes article "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%"."

    That study didn't take into account subsidies so I will ask you again, and this time try not to pass on misleading information... are premiums actually increasing for people?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    @Redshirt

    "This year, thanks to Obamacare we get a 41% increase. See Forbes article "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%"."

    That study didn't take into account subsidies so I will ask you again, and this time try not to pass on misleading information... are premiums actually increasing for people?

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Dec. 16, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    Insurance rates never went up when Bush was president. Everything was glorious and wonderful then.

    Rightly or wrongly, I blame greedy conservatives for everything and a lot of people agree with me. So there.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    The mind numbing loyalty that some people have to Obama and liberalism is astonishing.

    If a Republican president had done something like this we would be talking about impeachment.

    Liberals have lost all credibility by not attacking Obama for this disaster.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Loyalty to Obama runs deep, as some of the above comments attest.
    But sticker shock is already here.
    My premium didn't go up, but my benefits went down in a big way.
    The deductible DOUBLED.
    I lost access to my local hospital.
    I now pay for my office visits. (Yes, I get a free physical.)
    Of course, people blame the insurance companies. But exactly what did Obama supporters think would happen? How else did they expect to pay for the millions of previously uninsured?
    But the worst news is yet to come. Unless healthy people agree to pay premiums the whole plan collapses.

  • freedom in 2017 Rakuen, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    this is what happens when americans vote (twice) for an inexperienced, incompetent person.....barry!

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    Try using a search engine to look up any of Obama's revealing statements, like, "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." With some time behind us, most of the results are sites smoothing over the president's statements.

    It will be no different with the statements on the ACA. Last time I searched the, "If you like your plan, you can keep it, period." quote, I mostly got results about how the president is now telling insurance companies to reinstate the old, cancelled, now illegal policies. The press is madly trying to protect this president from himself. At least a few more news sources are taking the task of protecting the people of this country instead of protecting the president. That is why more people are unhappy with the president.

    Riverton cougar is right. This article reeks of bias in favor of the president. But the reek here is a stinkbug when compared to the stench of most the major media sources, which smells like a recently smashed skunk.

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    Dec. 15, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    The devil is in the details.

  • Pac_Man Pittsburgh, PA
    Dec. 15, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    mcbillay: If premiums have always risen and will continue to rise, then at what point does the Affordable Care Act make insurance "affordable"? Of course we have these subsidies extended to both individuals and to state governments, but with a looming 17 trillion dollar national debt, how long is this financially sustainable?

    It is true that people need to put aside ideology but it is difficult for some to put aside their reservations about the ACA when from start to finish the prime objective was so that Obama could have landmark legislation on the books that could define his presidency. This is why they kept the underlying faults of the ACA from the government and hastily pushed out a buggy website.

    No matter how great the pool of consumers and the increase in preventative care, it will be offset by a large swath of the population with preexisting conditions. Regardless, insurance companies in the long run will continue to charge as much as they can get through increased premiums, deductibles, and copays.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Dec. 15, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    Kimber. What homework remains to be done? The facts are in. Obama lied to get this plan passed and him reelected. Forcing insurance companies to cover more has caused rates to go up far more than they normally would. Many young people are finding their rates quadrupling and deductibles doubling in Obama's attempt to redistribute income. Obamacare and Barack Obama have been outed. The Emperor has no clothes.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    Insurance rates have gone up every year for a long time. This year is no exception, however, the hope is that the ACA will eventually help this. And the rising rates that were already in place is no reason to deny coverage to people needing healthcare. I'm very happy to have it after seven years. People need to do their homework before making accusations.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    "The greed based system isn't any better. In fact, I would say it's worse"

    Insurance companies exist to make money. Is it overpriced? Possibly, but to call it greed is a cop out. You don't have to buy their health insurance plans. If people have a better alternative, then I suggest they start their own insurance company and charge lower premiums.

  • mattrick78 Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    @Hutterite

    Insurance companies will charge as much as they can because they CAN charge as much as they can. That is their prime objective regardless of whether the president is to blame or not.

    There is nothing the ACA can do about it.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    In 20+ years of paying health insurance premiums, not once have my premiums decreased.
    Not one time.
    The greed based system isn't any better. In fact, I would say it's worse.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    To "atl134" yes, premiums are rising. Read the Forbes article "ObamaCare Will Raise Average Insurance Claims By 32% For Individual Coverage The Next Four Years". There we see the anticipated direct impact of this mandate. That is starting next year.

    This year, thanks to Obamacare we get a 41% increase. See Forbes article "49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41%".

    People are not just blaming Obama for stuff that has nothing to do with him. People are blaming Obama for the mess that he created in the healthcare system. We had a system that had 80% to 85% satisfaction, in favor of a system that 2/3 of the US did not support.

    For those that think a single payer system is the way to go, just look to England to see what you get. They have a 2 tier system. One for the poor that is second rate and kills people as they wait for treatment, and one for the wealthy that gives them great care. Do we really want that here?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    How about we ask the question... are premiums even rising? If so, how much are they rising (compared to pre-Obamacare rises)? Why are they rising (are people just switching to better plans or something else)? Are deductibles increasing? If so, why? Are more people covered than before (that one is yes for sure)?

    Or we could just poll and let people blame Obamacare for stuff that may or may not even be true.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 15, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Obama Care tightly regulates the profit margins of insurance companies. If your rates are going up there is only one reason for it: Obama Care.

    "That undercut one of Obama's central promises — that you can keep the coverage you have if you like it. The White House never clearly communicated the many caveats to that promise."

    This article soft peddles the truth to an unbelievable extent. There were no caveats. EVER!

    Put yourself in the place of a small business man with 45+ employees. If you go from 49 to 50 employees you are covered by Obama Care and have to provide health insurance. That is $8,000 per employee or a $400,000 hit. How much could you automate, outsource, etc. for $400,000 EACH YEAR.

    Obama Care is responsible for

    1. People losing their insurance.
    2. Higher premiums.
    3. Higher deductibles.
    4. Losing coverage of family members (Obama Care does not require that spouses of employees be covered).

    And next they will be losing their jobs.

    Employers can do many things to avoid becoming OC+ (Obama Care Positive), including splitting their corporations in to multiple companies so they never hit the magic number of 50.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Dec. 15, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Recently, a panel of computer experts were brought before Congress, and asked this simple question?

    Do you feel the Federal government health care website is secure and would you be willing to put your personal information into it?

    Every single expert said "No" - I would not enter my personal information.

    What excuse will the Federal government use when their website is hacked and hundreds of thousands (and perhaps millions) of people's personal information is stolen?

    "We're sorry, we never foresaw this happening."

    Do not trust the Federal government's health care website!

    If you need coverage, find it on your own. The government's database is going to be hacked or worse yet, stolen by an unscrupulous employee. The information it contains, will be worth millions to them. It's just too big a target.

    If you don't believe me, I want to jog your memory with one name.

    Eric Snowden

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Dec. 15, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    @Hutterite

    The blame isn't being "deflected to Barack Obama," he rightfully OWNS the blame!

    ObamaCare forced insurance companies to cover things that many people felt they didn't need or would ever use. Prior to ObamaCare, insurance companies allowed people to pick and choose what type of coverage they wanted. Many people chose, to leave out things which they felt they could pay for on their own, like regular checkups.

    Now that a specified "list" of things that must be covered "under federal law" have been forced on insurance companies. They find that they must raise their rates in order to compensate. Otherwise, they will go out of business. Which by the way is want those who back ObamaCare want. That way they can force us all to get coverage via a Single Payer System that will be run by the federal government.

    The blame for rising insurance rates can, and rightfully should be, placed at the feet of Barack Obama and those who backed the Affordable Health Care Act.

    Affordable? Just another lie we were told by those in charge.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Insurance rates would never go up otherwise, Right!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Sounds like Obama lied when he said the average American will save $2500 per year on their health care. Sounds like Obama lied (not misspoke) when he said you could keep your doctor and/or plan.

    This article reeks of bias. They say "blame" as if none of this were Obama's fault (but then again, when is anything EVER Obama's fault?). They make it sound like the economy should be blamed, but I thought Obama himself said the economy was fixed (after all, he said if he didn't fix it in 3 years he didn't deserve a second term). Even if you do blame it on the economy, it is still Obama's fault: anyone who thinks that Obamacare is helping the economy has not been paying attention to what's going on.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 15, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Sounds like the insurance companies have figured out this is a good time to jack the rates up with all the blame being deflected to the President.