[Third Try. Comment does not included web links, excessive ALL-CAPS or
punctuation, excessive length or violate other formatting rules.]Making schools DEFENSELESS zones is not working either.People had
much broader and freer access to guns in the past, including bringing guns to
school, they did not have such problems.Contrary to extreme left
views, Access to guns is not the problem. It's society that needs fixing.
[Second try, this does not violate any formatting rules]Making
schools DEFENSELESS zones is not working either.People had much
broader and freer access to guns in the past, including bringing guns to school,
they did not have such problems.Contrary to extreme left views,
Access to guns is not the problem. It's society that needs fixing.
Re not hereExplain how getting rid of drug free zones would help in
any way. I don't think you can. The two aren't even related. It it
too much to ask that you think before you post?If a shooter enters a
school wouldn't it be nice to if good people with guns were also in the
school? Please explain how having a good person in a school with drugs would
Everyone is looking for the answers as to why or how things like this can or
keep happening, and FDA has already answered them -- read the FDA
black-box warning labels required on all SSRI medications...
You can't have gun control in this country. Just let everyone have machine
guns with exploding bullets - it will make us safer. Or better yet, give
EVERYONE a red button for our nukes, that should do it. Everyone
should be walking around armed to the maximum we can be, and that will make us
safe says the NRA gun cult.
Every time there's a shooting like this, we hear the same response: we
need more guns and more people going armed. If we had a spate of stabbings and
slashings with machetes, would we read arguments that everyone should be
carrying a machete and that would solve things? It sounds a bit silly when we
change the weapon, doesn't it?
@ FT:" I suggest if that gun is ever used in a crime or accidental
injury or death (suicide, etc.) the penalty would be severe. Mandatory jail
time..."I've got news for you: There are already mandatory
sentence enhancements for using a gun in a crime. Depending on the jurisdiction,
five to fifteen years, and it's consecutive to any other sentence and earns
no good time. I have no idea, though, how you would impose such a sentence in
the case of suicide. Jail time doesn't work for dead people.
Excuse me One apparently Very Old ManColorado has all the gun laws
anyone could want, of haven't you paid any attention, what good has it done
Joe BlowYour comments are spot on. We need to change the approach we are
taking with gun control and ownership. The amount of careless owners and guns
sold would be dramatically reduced if a person knew he was facing 3-5 years in
prison if his gun was stolen or used in a harmful way. Gun owners and activist
keep clamoring about their constitional rights. The rest of us have rights too.
The right to pass legislation to severly punish and imprison any gun owner
who's weapon is used in a violent way, no matter what the reason. Zero
In reply to cjb: We need to get rid of gun free zones round
schools because there dangerous: If that's the way you feel about it how
about we also do away with the drug free zones around schools/ There sure
stopping people from selling have using them right? Or how about we do away with
crossing guard's and speed limits around school? Will that rate right up
there with removing the GUN FREE zones we have around schools and other places
that people happen to visit in large numbers?
"Effective" gun control is a worthy goal. It is similar to advocating
"effective" mental health measures. Please be more specific and avoid
glittering generalities. We are all for "effective" laws. The Colorado
incident involved a shotgun, a legitimate hunting weapon that is allowed in most
countries with strict gun control.
Why does a mountain state of fresh air and clean water seem to attract much more
than its fair share of public, multiple shootings?
I agree with the above poster in the sense that the owner of a gun should be
responsible and keep is out of the hands of those who shouldn't have it,
especially minors. Most of the shootings I have heard of where someone shoots up
a school, there was a parent who played a roll in not securing the gun.
Some sort of gun control, if we ever achieve it, won't just be about
keeping some weapons out of peoples' hands. It will work towards curbing
and changing attitudes. What has our personal arsenal free for all done for our
attitude toward guns? Essentially, it says 'hey, if we have them, it's
OK to use them'. Guns are just devices. The culture their presence enables,
however, is a problem.
Guns need to be locked up. Yes, they can get "stolen". But typically
not from a safe. And they typically dont shoot with a trigger lock.Those who own guns need to safeguard them from children and theft.If a minor gets a parents unsecured gun, the parents should be liable for the
From the comments made above, it would appear that these gun right activists
want schools with armed staff and faculty, or having armed security or policemen
on campus. I have been on campuses with police stations on campus. When there
was a sporting event, those attending the game went through metal detectors.
Honestly, I didn't feel safe, and students became hardened and cynical -
even the best kids did.Do we want schools to be militarized zones,
just in case some crazed shooter comes in? Even though shooters are becoming
more common, it is still not frequent enough to warrant spending millions of
dollars to arm and train faculty and staff, while undermining the feelings of
safety of students and personnel as well. If students and visitors need to go
through security similar to what they would see at the airport to go to school
each day, do you think they will feel more safe? Just arming
teachers and staff won't make schools safer. If teachers and staffs are not
trained properly, they become part of the problem instead of the solution.
Funding for things like increased security won't increase, as we
continually under-fund education.
This student was probably a minor. It is illegal for a minor to own a gun. He
probably stole the gun. So those who think gun control laws will stop crimes are
little off base. You can legislate who SHOULD own a gun. But if laws stopped
criminals, our jails would be empty. Sure, background check everybody who wants
to purchase a gun. But do I think outlawing guns will stop murders? The angry,
criminal and mentally deranged folks will always find a way to kill somebody.
Can't find a gun? There's always knives, ropes, bombs, arson, etc. We
should work harder on treating mental illness, teaching anger management, and
promoting negotiating skills. It's not the guns. It's the people
A new approach needs to be taken by those who excercise their constitional right
to own a gun. I suggest if that gun is ever used in a crime or accidental
injury or death (suicide, etc.) the penalty would be severe. Mandatory jail
time, heavy fines, community service. If you own a gun keep it locked up and
inaccessible, otherwise you run the risk of having your life dramatically
changed. Careless gun ownership in this country is tearing our communities
apart. As a society we have reduced drunk driving with this approach and now is
time we constitionally do the same with carless gun owners. Gun owners may be
protected by the constition but their careless storage of them is not.
Every shooting brings home the reality that we need effective gun control laws.
Supporting guns over people is a national mental illness.
How come no one has mentioned limiting what we put in kids heads. Over the
years, having a fire arm accessible and the number of school shootings
doesn't correlate. But school shootings directly correlate with the
violence in media, entertainment, "games", and the disintegration of the
family. You don't have to be a statistician to figure out what would work
to curtail the violence.
Kathy, your comparison of Houston and Chicago are a revealing story in a few
words. Good comment!
Opposition to SENSIBLE gun control measures is insanity.
Glad to see that Colorado's newly tightened gun laws are so effective in
preventive shootings in public places!
I stand amazed at how uninformed gun control advocates are. Houston Texas as
about 200 dedicated gun stores and over 1,800 place to buy guns and Chicago has
none. Houston had a total of 207 murders and Chicago has 1,800 in 2012. Seems
like that "gun control" in Chicago isn't working so well except for
Yes! YES! Everyone, why don't we ban guns completely and totally. Only the
military should have guns. Just like only doctors have access to ALL drugs. I
love that narcotics are not a problem in this country because they are illegal.
That's the best part about the government an all of the laws they make. It
makes it so much better for all of us because every act of government is 101%
effective in accomplishing the its design. We should also have
celebrities speak out against gun violence. This will help. Especially because
those celebrities have never participated in anything media related or otherwise
that condones or worships the use of lethal force daily. Stay tuned
Those making the laws in our country have been bought and sold by the NRA. Appears that is why those in charge of both political parties cannot get
enough legislators together to bring forth a vote for various laws that have
been presented for gun control.
Thoughts & Prayers go out to Colorado, hopefully the victims will have a
speedy recovery, and the people of Colorado will pull together after 2 very
terrible school shootings.
What is really pathetic about this latest shooting is that it is something that
has become almost routine in America.Just another school shooting.
No big deal.Now we need to ask AGAIN, the big question that MUST be
answered:WHEN will the people of this nation come to our senses and
find the courage to stand up to the NRA and DEMAND sensible gun control laws?The National Rifle Association is one of the greatest public enemies in
America. There ARE ways to gain better control of firearms, but until we are
able to get past the overwhelming influence of the NRA there is no chance of
even trying to find them.How many more must die before we wake up
and stand up to Wayne LaPierre?
Gun free zones aren't gun free when someone who isn't law abiding
steps into one with a gun. It is an American tradition that citizens should be
able to defend themselves and others.
riverofsun-What will solve it?
Aside from the blatantly politicized, ungrounded speculation in the idea that
"gun free zones" are more dangerous, some comments make me wonder what
kind of toxins might be in the water in Colorado... and Bountiful.
re riverofsunIf you feel less guns is the answer regardless of who
is in possession of the guns, then I suggest you work to get guns out of the
hands of the police and the military.
How terribly tragic that some feel that more guns will solve this horrific
problem at the site where our children are educated.Their wish for a
heavily armed society defies everything the majority of citizens cherish about
Although the news hasn't said it yet, given past history, its a pretty sure
bet this shooting happened in a gun free zone. These zones are very dangerous.
Since we are all looking for common sense solutions, wouldn't getting rid
of gun free zones be something we could all agree on?