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Published: Thursday, Dec. 5 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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worf
Mcallen, TX

We are transforming into a nation of beggars.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

“her employers want to avoid making her a full-time worker. Under the new health care law, workers who average 30 hours a week would be eligible for employer-sponsored health coverage starting in 2015.”

Obamacare is hurting these people more than their wage levels.

Want a better job with better pay? Improve your skillset.

It’s been a while since I checked, and I don’t have the time right now, but if I remember correctly, only 1 or 2 of the top ten states with the lowest unemployment have minimum wage laws above the federal level, while 8 or 9 of the 10 states with the highest unemployment have minimum wage laws higher than the federal rate.

minimum wage laws hurt employment (along with Obamacare)

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I didn't bring lunch today.
and I would rather go hungry that support Fast-Food today in support of the "workers".

Boycott.

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FYI worf,

These are NOT beggers,
but the WORKING poor.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Hard to see how protesting fast food workers contribute to a "country of beggars". Our country's middle class was formed by laborers protesting better wages and working conditions. The biggest fear of fast food, corporate America is this movement becoming super sized and gaining traction.

Wolverines
Woods Cross, UT

The response to this movement and increased costs due to obamacare, i.e. Increasing labor costs, will be the same as it ever was--for all industries for all time: automation.

If you labor costs go over the cost to automate then the wise man automates.

viejogeezer
CARLSBAD, CA

Dear Lost:
How does a single mom with two kids whose husband left her and is living on $9/hour working at McDonald's for the last 10 years improve her skillset? And if she works extra hard and is promoted to manager she makes $10 per hour. That's $20K per year. I wouldn't want to live on that. I read that the increase to $15/hour would ad 5 cents to the cost of a Big Mac. It seems to me that corporations should start treating employees like people, and not just commodities like hamburger or buns the country would be better off. Not to mention that people in that income bracket have a 100% propensity to spend, so they would be buying TV's and new cars spurring real economic growth rather than wealthy people dumping profits into the stock market which creates no real growth but only stock price inflation.

RedShirtMIT
Cambridge, MA

To "FT" actually you are wrong. This nation was made great because poor people came here in hopes of a better life, worked hard, and risked to produce something that people wanted.

Middle-class workers did not rise up by demanding more money. They were able to rise because they had skills to sell, and employers desperate for those skills.

Fast Food workers, unfortunately for them, are easy to come by and do not have any specialized skills that are in demand.

Why should I pay a person $15/hr who is trying to support their kids more than the Highschool kid who just wants money to buy the latest electronics? They both perform the same job, and are both just as easily replacable.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

If someone doesn't like how much money they make, go make yourself more valuable. If you truly are worth more than you're getting paid, someone else will pay you for it.

Its not McDonalds responsibility to ensure a person makes enough money to support a family. McDonalds responsibility is to pay for the work you do.

Its YOUR responsibility to ensure you can support a family.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The fundamental problem I have with this is... WHO should be allowed to decide what the employees work is worth (and what they should be paid)? The employer... or the Government and these protesters?

I think it should be a negotiation between the employee and the employer.

The employer needs to determine what the labor is worth to him. The employee needs to determine what their time and their effort is worth. IF the employer doesn't pay what the employees time and effort is worth... they walk and replace their current employer with a new employer who WILL pay them what their work is worth. IF the employee isn't doing work that's worth what his employer is paying him... the employer is free to send them walking and replace them with a better worker.

But nowhere does the government enter into this and mandate that the employee must keep the employer regardless of pay, or mandate the the employer must keep the employee regardless of performance...

The Government should NOT mandate what the employer must pay (regardless of worth of the work). That is between the employer and the employee (not the government).

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It wasn't long ago when $10.00 was a pretty good wage for entry level unskilled work.

That's $80.00/day or $400.00/week (nothing to sneeze at).

Not long ago I saw an add for new TSA agents (and they were offering around $12.00/hour). Wouldn't it be funny if the kid taking your burger order was making more than the TSA agent in charge of your security while on the plane?

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I think it would be GREAT if fast-food workers earned more than $10.00/hour. As long as the employer agrees that the work they do is WORTH $10.00/hour.

I think the more we ALL make the better. But it has to fit the business and the work required. Meaning it must be worth it to the employer... not just mandated by the Government.

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One problem I foresee from making our minimum wage %15.00/hour... if we have a problem with illegal immigration now... would it not get worse if America promised by law that every worker would get $15.00 hour? Seems like a HUGE incentive for people to come here and do those "Jobs Americans just won't do" (which I understand includes fast-food jobs now).

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LDS Liberal,
You're swearing off fast-food (just for today)? What about every other day? It's OK then?

Seems like IF it's such a travesty... you would not go there... EVER. Not just today.

Just think. IF enough people do like you suggest and you get this boycott organized... all these people will be UN-Employed. Wouldn't THAT be great? Wouldn't THAT be a blessing to these people who evidently want these jobs?

You go ahead and boycott McDonalds if you like. But don't pretend you are doing the people who work there favors by boycotting the business that employs them and pays them. It's better than unemployment (I think).

I suspect if you succeed in squashing McDonalds... some other business will popup in their place. Are you going to boycott them and put THEM out of business too?

How is that HELPING the people who lose their jobs from your boycott?

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I suspect if we raise the minimum wage to $15.00... places like McDonalds, farms, etc, will have to lay a lot of people off. Is that what you want?

Zac
Ogden, UT

Why stop at $15 per hour? How about $30 or $50? Surely (don't call me shirley) that would be even better.

kiddsport
Fairview, UT

Dear viejogeezer;
A single mom with two kids whose husband left her and is living on $9/ hour didn't plan very well while she was still in school. Better to work "extra hard" before having children and getting married before having children than trying to do that after they are brought into the world. Besides, any young woman who is prepared to raise children and run a household should at least be qualified as an accountant, a chef, or a recreational specialist. Those things should appear on every resume.
Here's my advice for anyone who wishes to avoid living on minimal wages:
- stay in school; college or trades
- stay out of bed before starting a career and marriage
- stay out of debt except possibly for school
Don't whine if you can't follow those sensible solutions.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@LDS Liberal,& FT:

The middle class was formed during the industrial revolution, when people took responsibility for their lives. There was no government stealing from the working man, than redistributing to the non-working.

It's not McDonalds, or my fault, that a woman marries a bad man. It was her decision. It was her decision to not build the skills needed for her life.

@viejogeezer--you build your skill set before having babies.

People are accountable for their decision making, and not McDonalds.

Half our country, are not feeding themselves, and rely on political leaders to take from the others for their substance.

That is a nation of beggars.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

viejogeezer,
poor planning on her part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

there is more value provided in performing carpentry than flipping burgers. More in performing banking than flipping burgers. More in managing a 40,000 SF retail outlet than flipping burgers. more in fighting fires than flipping burgers. Why should they be compensated even closely the same?

The beauty of our system is it rewards based on the value you provide (generally), not on your needs. If your needs are not being met, increase the value of the services you provide. If you expect your needs will not be met, plan to provide better value.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
LDS Liberal,
You're swearing off fast-food (just for today)? What about every other day? It's OK then?

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I work on Hill AF Base,
so I go out once, maybe twice a month for lunch.

I said -- I did NOT bring my lunch today,
and would rather for hungry in support of the walk out than selfishly feed myself and snub the workers asking for better compensation.

Just like like Fasting.
And my heart goes out in the same bleeding way with those who need it more than I do.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@ viejogeezer:

You may've read someplace that adding 5 cents to the price of a Big Mac would cover these workers wants, but that's not even close to being true. Labor costs are one of the largest variable costs that a fast food outlet has to pay. And if that cost suddenly doubled, the prices of all items on the menu would have to increase substantially to cover for that.

If there are 20 people working at a typical fast food joint open 16 hours a day, and each worker suddenly received a $7.50 per hour raise, the cost of doing business will increase by $1200 per day. And with an increase of only 5 cents a burger, that place would have to sell 24,000 burgers each day or 1,200 per hour, which equates to 25 per minute. Your math doesn't add up. Do your homework and get better info before choosing a side.

Based on past results of forced wage increases in the free-market, there would undoubtedly be significant lay-offs. In addition, fewer workers would be forced to do the same amount of work. This would not work as expected.

t702
Las Vegas, NV

As an immigrant that paid my college grad degree with minimum wage and supported 2 kids and wife, worked 3 jobs, spoke broken English --- what's our excuse?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Historically, bad people have demonized the good, and the foolish believe.
They use words like these to get control:

* equality
* discrimination
* racist
* greedy
* stop the terrorist activities
* environment
* uncaring
* fairness
* stop poverty
* destroying
* safety-roads & bridges
* etc

Will any civilization wise up to this? Having caused the most suffering through history, why allow a political take over, of the job producing fast food industry?

If not wages, than it's the lack of nutrition in the food.

Commodore
West Jordan, UT

If the market is left to its own devices - meaning no regulation from government OR from unionized workers - then workers will be paid even less than they currently are. All jobs should pay at a minimum $15 dollars and link it to the CPI.

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