slcjimmy"This liberal free thinking "low information
voter" possess an Ivy League Degree....Think for yourself! Just because"
everyone at your school "states their sophomoric, unintelligent bias opinion
does not make it fact."Free thinking is a laugh! If you had gone
to a conservative school and you were a liberal, that would be free thinking.
But going to a liberal school, and coming out a liberal parrot is hardly free
thinking. Oh, and check your grammar.Screeners this is
no more harsh or attacking than his post that I am responding to. In fact I used
his own words, and even left some of the meanness out.
I don't love every aspect of the Affordable Healthcare Act, but I will give
the President and the Democrats credit for trying to do something. Healthcare
is one of the single biggest challenges facing Americans today. Many don't
have it and most of us who do are quickly being priced out of decent coverage,
and this started long before the ACA. My dad told me a long time ago that you
are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. The President and
Democrats offered solutions, we can argue about how good they are, but they
attempted to solve the health care problem. The republicans on the other hand
have stood on the sideline and criticized, never offering to be part of the
solution, never offering a better solution. The republicans refuse to work with
democrats to create solutions, they would rather play politics and focus on the
next election cycle which other than a few gerrymandered house seats in 2012
hasn't really worked for them.
Utahbluedevil: I disagree. If you can't tell me the principles from which
you stand, then it sounds as if you are waiting for anyone to come along, no
matter who it is, to jump on board, which usually means a desire to just have
power, rather than make things better. We already have nigh unto 435 HR and 100
Senate members and one president who are in it just for power and have made a
complete mess of a system that should be giving its citizens much, much, much
more for the 'service' rendered by these Kingmen. I defy anyone to
announce by any stretch of the imagination that our elected leaders have made
things better the last 75 years, excluding a few good men and women that have
@UtahBlueDevil--I can't disagree with you. I've heard of GE making
five billion in a year, and paying no taxes.When I think of rich
people, I'm thinking of those who did it by the rules. It's like
college,--some did the work while others cheated their way through.I
don't feel honest people are greedy, or should be punished for the fruits
of honest hard work.
"Care to define in detail to the rest of us "low information voters"
actually what constitutes "free stuff?"Yes jimmy with an ivy
league degree - and all of your low information voter friends:Free
stuff is food stamps, disability payments, free cell phones, free health care,
and well, you get the picture, which is all funded under what we call taxes,
which is when my government steals money from my wallet, money that I have
worked hard to earn, and then without my permission dispenses my money willy
nilly to other people with no strings attached who, in many cases, have been
irresponsible and lazy and who have no intention of ever being responsible and
accountable.I don't have an ivy league degree. But I'm
@Worf - on the income side.... I will disagree with you totally. I do
consulting for a Oil and Gas company that pays next to no taxes. In fact, as a
marginal rate, they pay less on their net income than those now famous 47% pay.
Remember - even the 47 percent still pay "income" taxes on everyone of
their checks. It just isn't called "income tax". But FICA and SS
still come out of every check, from everyone one. And in many cases they still
pay more than 10 of their income in "taxes".@banderson - why
does someone have to attribute their beliefs to a "most cherished
leader" to have those beliefs be valid. Many of us don't need to be
told what to believe - or attribute them a historical figure. For example, I
like many things from both Lincoln, and Jefferson - but these two did not agree
on much. There is no single valid reference persona.
UtahBlueDevilAnd boy do I agree with you and Worf. We have enough
smart, public serving people from both sides of the political spectrum in this
nation of 300 plus million, who could give a lot to this nations well being if
given a few years to do the work. And then get out before the corruption of
party politics has a chance to set in. However, I have thought that maybe a
good change in the Presidency would be one 6 year term, like a Senator, and no
re-election. That way, a President could concentrate on getting done all he can
without wasting time running for re-election, like they all have to do. Sure he
would be a lame duck the moment he got elected, and his power would diminish as
time went by, but that is really what happens anyway even with 2 terms. And if
one looks at history, it is always in the 2nd term when the scandles set in, and
the rats begin leaving the ship. 2nd term Presidencies rarely accomplish much.
Atl: I read your comments a lot, but I wonder if you have the courage to tell us
what you really want, who you support,if you are a Democrat, socialist, or both.
Anyone one can write an opinion, ACA one of your favorites, but can you tell us
the principles of governance you support and who your most cherished leaders in
history are, etc. Once I know that, I can better understand your point of view,
otherwise there is nothing that I can glean from your comments except that you
want something, anything just because someone said it is the answer.
Tekakaromatagi - "If I am 65 and I have cancer I might want to say,
'Geez, it is probably time to go.'"Not to worry...
Obamacare death panels will decide whether 65 year old's will live or
die.Lone Star Cougar - "Obamacare will take almost
EVERYONE'S personal insurance and force companies to put their employees
onto Obamacare at highly inflated rates with less coverage."Don't you mean Obamacare will give MORE coverage? For example, a 65 year
old male gets coverage for obstetrics, child dental care, birth control pills,
and the like. I think that sounds like a fairly good deal for a 65 and older
@whatnext"I'm sorry you (Democrats) made your bed, NOW LIE IN
IT."Actually I totally agree with you for two reasons. 1.
Nobody's going to buy any attempts to run away from it, and 2. It's a
good bill, people just don't realize that due to the mishandled rollout and
the misinformation readily spread by Republicans.@DN Subscriber: [If
the Dems can fool the "low information voters" again, and motivate them
to get to the polls by promising them more "free stuff" they might win
again.]Hah, your party offers tax cuts paid for with nothing and
says that their Medicare plan (amusingly it's the same concept as
Obamacare) will somehow be made solvent without any cuts to it. You only like
cuts until they happen to something you benefit from (like when you all lost it
when your shutdown forced the national parks to close because they didn't
Hutterite:The lexicon that has emerged from the liberal persecution
complex is that anyone opposing Obama's policies are racist.So
your statement is either a freudian slip or a tacit admission of ignorance to
your ideology. Which one is it?
Believe me, this is all about going back. If any american thinks that moving
forward means eliminating fiscal responsibility, low taxes, individual liberty,
and neighborliness, then you are in the wrong country. These are the issues for
independents, something Democrats and Republicans long abandoned. our country
and its leaders once advocated such, but not any more. The future belongs to the
Independent minded person that believes in the aforementioned items.
Obamacare and any other such system is simply a bandage over a gaping wound. If
you don't deal with the underlying causes that artificially make the US
health care the most expensive in the world (while arguably still the
"best" available), any such legislation will continue to languish in
non-efficacious futility.Ask any doctor, health care official, or
pharmaceutical producer what causes their costs to be inexplicably high, and
they will immediately reply that it is the exorbitant malpractice insurance they
procure to protect themselves from lawsuits. And lest one think THEY pay this
(or any other firm, person, etc, which pays a given penalty, fine, or
protection), know that they must transfer these costs in the bottom line to the
consumer ... and thus our health care is the most expensive in the world.Chances aren't high that we will get legislators, the majority of
whom have lawyer backgrounds, to deal with this conundrum, as they draw much of
their "profit" from this malpractice practice and the lobbying donations
from those who represent groups that benefit from the current system. Until we
do, we get Obamacare, or similar maladies, to mask the underlying wounds.
Did anyone besides me appreciate the undaunted courage and sacrifice of Mike Lee
and Ted Cruz? They were 100% correct in the warnings they gave Americans about
Obamacare and incidentally, so was Mitt Romney! And what do we see now? Obama
and the Demos having to follow the advice of Lee and Cruz, whom they called all
kinds of vile, despicable names for daring to tell us the truth! America is now
experiencing the Obamacare destructive mess Lee, Cruz and Romney told us it was!
Whom do you trust is the number one issue for the next election; Those who lied,
misrepresented and destroyed our healthcare system, or those who told us the
@Mark B--the top ten percent pays seventy five percent of the federal taxes,
while the bottom forty seven pays nothing.Some people keep whining
with envy while others produce. They have no pride.
Dudes, you're still not facing reality. The latest credible poll showed
only a 40% negative rating for the ACA. 40% loved it and 11% thought it
wasn't liberal enough (of course that group shows as negative in the poll,
but they were specifically identified and aren't going to vote Republican
based on the law).
Worf... you know what...... shocking as it may seem? I completely agree with
you. Jefferson had a concept that laws should not last longer than a
generation. You would think that by extension, those writing those laws
shouldn't be there longer than a generation as well.I in some
cases I admire those that dedicate their lives to serving the public - but I
think more so that they don't have to be elected into office to still drive
the political process. Or that they can't play different roles in
politics. But no one is so important that they are the only person who can or
should fill a seat for decades.Stability and consistency are key
elements for business to thrive. But when it becomes a battle of personalities
- vying to keep long entrenched jobs, it warps the process into bad
territories.In my opinion, 12 years is plenty for the senate and the
house. 8 years is working well for President. Lets keep democracy vibrant and
All the pro-democrat apologists don't get it or don't want to get it
and many of the other voters don't either - yet. Obamacare will take
almost EVERYONE'S personal insurance and force companies to put their
employees onto Obamacare at highly inflated rates with less coverage. The only
way out is to repeal it. We are now seeing how the government takes something
that works and makes it WORSE. We could have changed a few things about our
health care system previously a insured everyone without out scrapping the
whole system that served 85% of the population well.Great Britain is
trying to get away from socialized medicine! It does not work well. Please,
let us vote out all those that could or supported this and get those into office
those that will fix this mess! Obama, Pelosi, and their minions lied. It is
not cheaper, better, nor easier.
Politics... But the main issue still is how to make sure that people in need of
decent health care get it at an affordable price, even with pre-existing
conditions. They are the ones who need to win. At least Obamacare tries.
Joe BlowI'll give you some Republicans. McCain, and ANY Bush, to
name a few. That's why we like some of the new Republican guys now getting
into the mix.tabunoThe reason Obama delayed the ACA till
November 2014 is because it doesn't look like it will be running well
before the next election. The ACA will be the gift (to the Republicans) that
keeps on giving all next (election) year. More and more problems with it are
predicted than fixes. And almost every Democrat running will be having to
answer the ads that show them saying, "If you like your health plan and
doctor, you can keep it".
@ Joe Blow. How many Republicans voted for Obamacare? There is your answer!
I saw this coming. I didn't trust Obama from day one, that's why I
never voted for him. Those who did well, deal with it. And unfortunately the
rest of us have to as well. Next time don't fall for suave talk, dig deeper
into what's real. And at this point I agree with whatnext.
Was the photo of Pelosi because she is distancing herself from Pres. Obama, or
is it they are distancing themselves from Pelosi also?I keep seeing
this photo of the photo op of Pres. Obama signing the ACA. There are all these
politicians standing proud next to him when he signed it. And, now they are
thinking that maybe they should have read it.Hutterite has a good
point, so what do we do instead of ACA? I think that we need to change our
values and expectations. If I am 65 and I have cancer I might want to say,
"Geez, it is probably time to go." Some cultures consider 65 to be a
ripe old age. In the US we fight tooth and nail to live longer. (Are we
frightened about what might happen next?)
@ DN Subscriber....This liberal free thinking "low information voter"
possess an Ivy League Degree. How about yourself? Never have I asked for
"free stuff." Care to define in detail to the rest of us "low
information voters" actually what constitutes "free stuff?" Keep
living in your Republican bubble my friend. Since you apparently have not
noticed the World is changing and thankfully becoming more liberal daily. Your
party is soon to be of zero significance. Conservatives continue to be unable to
offer any candidate with a legitimate chance of the presidency. Think for
yourself! Just because Hannity or Limbaugh state their sophomoric, unintelligent
bias opinion does not make it fact.
@DN Subscriber: [If the Dems can fool the "low information voters"
again, and motivate them to get to the polls by promising them more "free
stuff" they might win again.]Too late... we're already
there.And the Democrats would like to secure an additional 30 to 40
million more votes from Obama's push for illegal immigrant amnesty.
The Democratic Party has a good chance to pick seats in the 2014 elections.
With all the early focus on Obamacare problems, the likelihood that it will be
addressed before the November 2014 elections is reasonably good and if it begins
to work decently, like Obama and his relatively successful legacy of addressing
Bush's failed policy and his successful 2012 election, the Democrats may
have a winning political position by election time.
What would you call a millionaire who consistently supports lower taxes for
those with high incomes - in other words, what we have NOW? Given all the
complexities of all the governing issues in the world, I think the bast answer
is the one supplied pretty often by DN Sub - "low information voter".
It's like lots of other implied insults people use. The term doesn't
mean you are smarter or have HIGH information. It just implies that you do. I
would guess that states with a demonstrably high level of education are more
likely to vote Democratic.
Is re-election more important than being public servants?How much do
these people really care for the American people?
The nuances of the roll-out won't matter because what will be remembered it
that the President lied to the American people about their health insurance,
period. That point will be easy to bring back to the public's mind and
they will then have reason to make changes in the persons serving in Washington.
No matter how they try and spin it, the chickens have come home to roost this
I like how many of the Democrats are trying to wash their hands of this Obama
Care act night mare. They cram this thing down our throats telling us all these
falsehoods and now that they see its not working the way they all said it would,
now they want to distance themselves from it and President Obama. I'm sorry
you (Democrats) made your bed, NOW LIE IN IT. I hope everyone of you lose your
reelection bid come 2014. We need leaders who will be honest with the people
that elected them and secondly we need leaders that will research and study the
bills that they are voting on to make sure the bill will work and will be
benifical to those of us who have to live with it. This whole thing is a mess
and the Democrats that voted for this are the ones to blame. VOTE THEM ALL OUT
If the Dems can fool the "low information voters" again, and motivate
them to get to the polls by promising them more "free stuff" they might
win again.People have indeed learned that they CAN vote themselves
largesse from the public treasury, and greed has replaced concern for others and
this nation is in a steady decline.Decline will continue unless
voters throw the bums out and vote in a Congress which will cut spending,
eliminate government borrowing, pay off the debt, and reduce regulations and the
size of government. Without these steps our economy will never recover.
Worf must have really loved obama's first term then. Good point.
This photo says it all for the Democrat party. Fancy Nancy and friends fully
believe America will not blame them for Obamacare - actually she says people
love Obamacare. I honestly hope they continue to think the same and then go into
the 2014 elections with the same attitude. Here is the awful truth for the
Democrats - they ALL voted for Obamacare....they ALL promised if you like your
insurance you can keep it - premiums will go down by $2500 per year promised -
the web site will navigate as easy as amazon....and the list goes on. No cutting
and running this time. Obamacare is welded to their legs. Good luck Nancy and
friends. Actually I hope and pray this time you get what you all deserve.
Couldn't find any Republicans who have "been around too long" to
include in your list?
Political office should be a short term service, and not a career.Give others the honor of serving their country. Nancy, Harry, Hillary, etc,
have been around too long.Re-election takes up too much time, and
It's not about what we might want to run from; we know what's too
repulsive to run to.