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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 26 2013 3:46 p.m. MST

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Mr. Smitty
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't think a religious believer should have special rights with regard to health insurance they offer their employees. What if a religious believer doesn't believe in a vaccination? What about blood transfusions? How far to do we extend such special rights beyond health insurance? Should an employer who believes in prayer over medicine receive special rights and be exempt from having first aid kits in their work place? It's time we stop giving religious believers special rights.

At any rate, this is about control. It's about a religious person who wants to control the sexual lives of women in the name of religion. It's about controlling women. Yes, of course they can purchase birth control elsewhere, but it is obnoxious for religious folks to expect special rights with respect to a reasonable law that mandates birth control.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Tyler D:
"Since the law – which simply mandates that insurance, part of all employee’s paid compensation, cover things people want..."

If the employer is paying the insurance premium... he/she is also paying for insurance coverage. Take out contraceptives, etc., and the premium should reduce. Thus, the employer is paying for these services contrary to their religious rights. If the premium does not reduce, the employer is being scammed.

"...Hobby Lobby et al should lose their case in a 9-0 decision."

You got that backwards.

@Stalwart Sentinel:
"...so I bet you can prove to me where the laws of the United States grant corporations a will, conscience, and religion."

You're a little confused, Stalwart... Companies (i.e., corporations) are not people... they're persons created by law to conduct certain commercial, etc., activities. People have a will, can have religion and conscience. Persons, created by law, do not.

"I'm sorry but the owners of the companies are not special..."

Everyone is special... Including you.

"... they do not have a legally-recognized right to exert their personal morality through their company."

They do if they are paying the bill, the effect of which reduced their take on the company.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@dan76:
"From your monicker, one must assume you've had children and subsequently grandchildren. Why then were childless members of society required to pay school district taxes to support your kin's education?"

I'll answer for granny... the country provides education for the masses to ensure that freedom is preserved. Even though granny has no children she enjoys the freedom that an educated citizenry provides/ensures.

@Blue:
"Corporations are not people - they are collections of assets operating under the protection of law. Can a corporation have a religion? Only if my computer can, also."

A corporation is a 'person' created by law. The reason being so that it can (among other things) sue and be sued separate and apart from its owner(s)... and to protect the owner(s) from such action. Think of a corporation with say 100,000 owners (stockholders). Can you imagine the confusion/complication if 100,000 owners wanted to sue someone for some legal infraction rather than just one 'person' doing the suing? You obviously need a class in corporate law.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

How far down the chain of financial connections does moral responsibility go? The contraceptive mandate in the ACA does not require Hobby Lobby or its employees to use contraceptives. It only requires them to make contraceptive coverage available in their insurance plans. Their premiums are commingled with those of all the other policy holders. The company never pays directly for any of the products it finds objectionable-- the insurer does. Hobby Lobby only acts as a passive intermediary to facilitate its employee's choice to purchase the insured products. It does not actively participate in the purchase nor directly fund the purchase nor use the product.

What are the reasonable limits on moral culpability in dilute financial transactions? Is Hobby Lobby consistent in its application of its faith principles? Does the Hobby Lobby pension plan invest in pharmaceutical stocks that manufacture contraceptives? What about diversified mutual funds that include pharmaceuticals? What about purchase of products from or investments in companies that offer contraceptive coverage in their employee plans? They are still financially linked and Hobby Lobby shares responsibility in objectionable activity. To be consistent, the company would have to sever financial ties with any other party that facilitates contraceptive use.

Way of the Warrior
Arlington, WA

Following Hobby Lobby's logic, I don't want to provide my employees with money because they'll just buy alcohol with it and drinking alcohol is against my religious beliefs. Forcing me to pay my employees money so they can buy alcohol is a violation of my religious rights!

Neanderthal
Phoenix, AZ

@Way of the Warrior--

No, no. It's more like Hobby Lobby saying...

"We're maintaining a fund to cover employee healthcare needs but it will not cover things like flying to Hawaii or the Caymans to see a doctor, things that are unlawful/illegal such as purchase/use of marijuana/cocaine, and things against our (Hobby Lobby proprietors) religion such as killing a child developing in the womb (abortion)... But if you'd like to do these things with the wages we pay to, go for it."

"We don't have the time to personally manage this fund so we've elected to turn it over to a separate company call GEICO to manage."

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Granny, you're not forced to pay for maternity for yourself. You're entering a very large risk pool, and many of its members do need it.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Neanderthal said:

"We're maintaining a fund to cover employee healthcare needs but it will not cover things like flying to Hawaii or the Caymans to see a doctor, things that are unlawful/illegal such as purchase/use of marijuana/cocaine, and things against our (Hobby Lobby proprietors) religion such as killing a child developing in the womb (abortion)... But if you'd like to do these things with the wages we pay to, go for it."

Insurance is Not a gift from your employer, as someone already pointed out it is part of a compensation package which includes your wages and any other compensation, So Employees are using "Their wages" not the companies.
What the company pays towards your premiums is part of your wages. To entice corporations to treat employees like humans the government gives them tax incentives to do so, this does not make their contribution theirs.

Birth control is not "killing a child developing in the womb" no matter what your fanatical belief system may be, and is not part of ACA.

Neanderthal
Phoenix, AZ

@Happy Valley Heretic:
"So Employees are using 'Their wages' not the companies."

Too funny!! It's not employee wages else it would be taxed... and it ain't.

"Birth control is not 'killing a child developing in the womb'..."

Abortion is.

"...and is not part of ACA."

What? Of course it is... or will be when Obamacare is fully implemented starting next year.

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