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Published: Friday, Nov. 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Tyler D
Meridian, ID

"To ask me — a business degree major from Texas Tech University — to distinguish whether the Earth cooled 4 billion years ago or 4.2 billion years ago for purposes of approving a textbook at 10:15 on a Thursday night is laughable," Ratliff said.”

Oh it’s worse than that – it is asking people (thankfully it would appear only a minority of the Texas Board), who believe there is more factual information about the natural world in a Bronze Age book written by shepherds, to pass judgment on the validity of modern science.

And while it is indeed laughable, it gets less so the more people like this ascend to positions of power that give their views the stamp of authority.

What next – allow 3rd graders to approve college math textbooks?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

6,000 years is 6,000
It says so in the Bible.

and I've met PLENTY of good Latter-Day Saints who buy this line as well.

As for Evolution,
Even BYU has fallen into line with the indisputable Scientific evidence.

While the nay sayers whine about BYU caving to "liberal acedemia" arm twisting.

When will people just accept that Science tells us HOW God does things,
The Scriptures tell us WHY he does things.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

"When will people just accept that Science tells us HOW God does things, The Scriptures tell us WHY he does things."

Science tells us which of our theories, hypotheses, and explanations fail to explain the facts, data, and observations. And science has repeatedly told us that the religious and scriptural theories, hypotheses, and explanations completely fail. Most notably, science tells us that there is no evidence for the existence of any god, and that ideas that all of "creation" testifies of a god are thoroughgoing question begging.

J. S.
Houston, TX

Why can't we just accept church-and-science-separate, so religious people can focus on religious issues, and stop judging sciences?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

A Scientist
Provo, UT

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Thanks for validating Science explaining the HOW things were creating,
but
Science can't - and doesn't even try to provide the answer as to WHY.
That's what religion does.

If you don't care about the why's,
then of course you don't feel a need to believe in a God.

Many of us do.

I accept Science on par with Religion, and visa-versa.
but only within the bounds they are set.

I don't accept the Bible proving the answers to Science,
anymore than I accept Science proving the answers to Morality, Love, Brotherly kindness, compassion and Humanitarianism.

One explains how,
the other explains why.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

America.

Made the laughing stock of the scientific community.

By people who refuse to acknowledge facts.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

LDS Liberal,

"Thanks for validating Science explaining the HOW things were creating (sic)..."

Our theories, hypotheses, and explanations about the universe can be about WHAT, HOW, WHY, WHEN, WHERE, etc.

Science does not care to differentiate between these types of questions. Science only puts these questions to the test.

Moreover, as a believer, you must ultimately acknowledge that there is no doctrinal (scriptural or other) basis for your arbitrary distinction between science owning the domain of "how" and religion owning the domain of "why" - certainly, that distinction falls completely apart when you recognize that religion fails miserably to tell the "why" of countless phenomena, and the Holy Scriptures are filled with futile and erroneous attempts to explain "how" things were done.

lket
Bluffdale, UT

fossils prove one the other is all faith base. but saying that i think the universe goes on for ever and big bang cant prove it does not do so. you would have to be able to see the end of it where it stops. if it does go on forever, isnt almost all possible.

the truth
Holladay, UT

The bible does NOT say the earth is 6000 thousand years old.

It says, using the correct interpretation, the earth was ORAGANIZED 6000 years ago.

The current state of earth started approximately 6000 years ago

and the age earth would be that plus the time it took to organized, plus the time Adam was in the garden of Eden.

It is approximately 6000 years since the expulsion from the garden of Eden.

There is nothing scientifically incorrect with the bible when it is understood correctly.

Evolution should NOT be taught simply because it is not scientific, but composed of entirely of guesses, assumptions, suppositions, made up relationships, made up trees and branches, only suggestions of how things could have happened (which interestingly enough also support intelligent design), and whatever else gives the perception of it working.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@the truth

please tell us you are being sarcastic when you claim that the science and observable facts that supports evolution is really nothing more guesses, assumptions, suppositions, made up relationships, made up trees and branches, only suggestions of how things could have happened? you do know your lack of understanding of the facts does not make them go away right?

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@the truth?

most major religions do not even dispute the scientific facts supporting evolution including the LDS and Catholic churches, so we are suppose to ignore the seine and these leaders of hess churches and accept your denial of the facts?

the truth
Holladay, UT

@spring street
@Kalindra

'Dispute' is the wrong and misleading word.

Mot addressing it, is NOT the same as supporting it. And actually many do dispute it.

How and when the earth was organized is immaterial to your salvation, and salvation is what religion cares the most about.

Still...man did not evolve nor any modern creature. The bible and other scripture is quite clear on it, and "science" has only conjecture and clever story telling.

Your "observable facts" only indicate that ancient creatures once existed in a previous state of earth, the rest is the imaginations and inventions of men.

TaipeiModerate
New Haven, CT

@thetruth. Please understand that you and other new earth creationists/biblical literalists may be damaging the ability of others to accept Jesus, as you may create a false dichotomy that requires the faithful to reject a plethora of thoroughly articulated facts and findings that support natural selection and evolution. You may be doing the opposite of what you intend to do (bring others to God).

@AScientist. I think you need to accept that you, as a materialist, are pushing strongly against those who are coming from an angle that rejects materialism. They may claim experiences that denote a knowledge of God. All observable, empirically-supported evidence that are foundational to your belief will not prove or convince them they are wrong. It might be good to accept that not all answers are out there.

worf
Mcallen, TX

If a car can evolve from a boulder, than the complexities of living things happen by chance.

Now that children have been forced, and mostly removed from their homes,--liberal leaders will brainwash our children with this kind of rubbish.

There is a greater chance of my watch evolving from a stone, than a human body forming by chance.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The Scientist
Provo, UT
LDS Liberal,

Our theories, hypotheses, and explanations about the universe can be about WHAT, HOW, WHY, WHEN, WHERE, etc.

12:00 p.m. Nov. 22, 2013

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I don't know why you are picking an arguement.
I am a college educated Mechanical Engineer.
I am also an varocious lifelong student of Science.

I support 100% current Scienific fact and theory.
From Big Bang, paralell/bubble universers -- right down to evolution being a FACT.
...and it doesn't conflict with my religous beliefs in the least.

The truth is, Science re-affirms and stregthens MY beliefs.

No Scientist - even you - seeks to answer they WHYs.

Carl Sagan summed it up best in his book (and movie) - Contact.

If there isn't anything more to the Universe than what we as human on earth experience,
then --
The Universe is pretty much a big waste of space.

If you really are a - Scientist --
Keep up the Good work!
I look forward with great anticipation the new and exciting Scientific discoveries yet to be made known.

It builds MY testimony,
and doesn't tear it down or shake it in the least.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@worf – “If a car can evolve from a boulder, than the complexities of living things happen by chance.”

I wasn’t aware that either a car or a boulder contained proteins or amino acids let alone DNA.

And we did not evolve by chance which is why analogies like yours and tornados in a junk yard creating a 747 are misguided and not analogous at all.

It is true that mutations happen randomly – and this can be observed in real time today so it is undisputable – but evolution happens because certain (very few actually) random mutations are naturally selected (i.e., passed on to offspring) because they offer some benefit to survival greater than what existed before.

@ LDS Liberal – “If there isn't anything more to the Universe than what we as human on earth experience, then -- The Universe is pretty much a big waste of space.”

I think what Sagan actually said was if there is no other life in the Universe then it is a big waste of space.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS Liberal: "I am a college educated Mechanical Engineer.
I am also an varocious lifelong student of Science.

I support 100% current Scienific fact and theory.
From Big Bang, paralell/bubble universers -- right down to evolution being a FACT."

Whew. You had me going there for a moment. I thought we had another data point for the Salem Hypothesis at first. Thanks for salvaging it in the second paragraph.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

You know, scientific theory is based on faith. Faith that the current knowledge of science is accurate. We have seen science need to change with new information or discovery. Sometimes I think human beings are a little arrogant at what they think they know about everything scientific. I do find it interesting that some current theorical physicists are now engaged in trying to explain what happened before the big bang. And of course they are therefore trying to explain how something (matter) can come from nothing(empty space). Good luck. If you do discover how that happened, you can thank God for it.

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