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Published: Monday, Nov. 11 2013 12:00 a.m. MST

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Voter ID laws would make sense if vote fraud were a problem. It's not. And there are other ways to sign up for insurance besides the internet.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

In this country many, many people are wary of the government, for legitimate and illegitimate reasons. This includes older African Americans, who were the victim of government studies that essentially left a number of black men go untreated for syphilis, just to see what would happen.

Many African Americans who are older don't have government issued IDs, for fear that the old days of systematic persecution may return at any moment. My mother in law is in this category. The stories she tells of the "bad old days" would blister anyone's ears.

Even if the US went with a Mexico-style national voter ID card - which has been impressively successful there in getting more people to vote - a lot of Americans would prefer to opt out, not trusting the institution that issued the IDs.

It's a Catch-22 situation, but we shouldn't get heavy-handed with requiring government ID cards until significant voter fraud has been established, not the isolated, alleged incidents Glenn Beck likes to elaborate on.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Voter ID laws make lots of sense.

Until you dig into them.

They "correct" a non-existent "problem". They stop many times more legal votes than illegal votes.

And they are only being pursued because they can help the GOP win elections.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Joe Blow,"They stop many times more legal votes than illegal votes". How do you know that? Please give us your source for your claim. Speculation? In what other country on this planet do voters NOT have to show an ID to vote? Answer: None, zero, nada! Even Canadians require an ID to vote and no one there is claiming what you claim!

Mark B
Eureka, CA

M-man, how about the source for YOUR claim? And please stop trying to con us. It's no secret that the voter ID effort is 100% Republican. You haven't forgotten Bush's big search for a voter fraud problem have you? It was a waste, of course, because none was found - at least nothing that caused GOP losers to demand recounts.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Google "the truth about fraud" the non-partisan Brennan Center did an extensive analysis of voter fraud.

What would you put forth to refute it?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe if Republicans didn't do things like declare student IDs insufficient or what Texas is doing where names have to match (despite the state itself mandated for a time that married women should have their maiden name listed as their middle name on drivers licenses thus making it much more difficult to women to vote, even hindering a judge when voting in her own courthouse) it wouldn't be such an obvious attempt to suppress Democratic turnout.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Mark, go to Wikipedia and you will see a list all countries that require some form of photo ID in order to vote, except the US. Why do all dead people vote for Democrats?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

I watched an elderly man at the polls last week struggling to find something to convince the judge that he was who he said he was. It was heartbreaking and humiliating.

JoeBobOfUtah
Roy, UT

Since voter fraud is such a horrible problem, where are the indictments, prosecutions, and convictions for this crime?? Since those numbers are almost zero, maybe the whole thing is a conspiracy created in the minds of money and power hungry "talking heads" on AM radio. We have a lot of problems in our country. We should focus on real issues in our society. If voting fraud is a real problem we should prosecute the offenders before spending a bunch of money on legislation that might not be needed at all.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

MMan: "Why do all dead people vote for Democrats?"

Isn't it a little hypocritical to ask others for evidence when you present none yourself?

But let's assume you are right. I would guess that dead people vote for Democrats because, having crossed over the threshold to enlightment, they see the rampant perfidy in Republicans (my opinion, no need to present evidence). Maybe you will do likewise when your time comes.

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

Back in 2008 Utah was giving driver's licenses to illegal alien using documents such as the Mexican Matricular Card. The next year the legislature set up the Utah Driver's Privilege card for those in the country illegally. In 2010 we had to take in a birth certificate to renew our license, even if we had already had a license

The reason for this was an investigation into the problem. They only sampled the licenses and soon found hundreds of licenses given to illegal aliens, sometimes 20 or more to the same address. To register to vote in Utah all you had to do was check a box on the license application. They found that hundreds of illegal aliens had checked the box, and they found that some of them had actually voted, an example of voter fraud.

It is very hard to detect voter fraud even where an ID is presented. Since there are very few cases some believe that it isn't a problem. I had cancer for years, but I didn't know it until it caused pain, and then it was almost too late. If we wait for voter fraud pain it may be too late.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

So, it's OK to follow the example of other countries when it comes to voting practices, but NOT for health care, right? And BTW, the "dead people voting" example isn't voter fraud at all. It's ELECTION FRAUD, where the crime takes place at the top, not at the individual voter level. Regardless, there's only one party determined to reduce the vote. It's not the Democratic Party.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

In a report released by the Michigan state auditor general reviews the Bureau of Elections, which is part of the Michigan Secretary of State office. The review found more than 1,300 deceased people were recorded as having voted in the last election.
Apparently, the "dead people" voted because they did not have to show any ID.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You can't even borrow a book from the library without ID. Why would we want UN-identified people picking our President (UNLESS.. you want people who shouldn't be voting voting)....

You can't cash a check without ID... but we want people without any ID voting??

You can't drive without ID. You can't register for school without ID. You can't function in society with absolutely zero ID... but we want unidentified people VOTING??

Why would Democrats WANT totally unidentified people voting... Unless they WANT to encourage fraud?

It's not hard to get ID. You are SUPPOSED to get a SS # for your child when they are born. So almost every person living and working in the USA should at least have a SS#.

If you don't even have a SS#... what are the chances you are not really who you SAY you are. And that you are really qualified to vote (of age, who you say you are, a resident of the district you are voting in, etc)?

We know for a fact that many people are voting illegally... why would Democrats NOT want to control that??

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

So an average of 350 a year out of 7.3 million eligible voters (the report you mention covers a 4 year span) in Michigan are dead/imprisoned people voting. That's .005%. Now, voter ID would end up preventing way more than .005% of people from voting (since it turns out a lot of people actually don't have an acceptable ID, and making them pay for some form of ID would be a poll tax which is unconstitutional).

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Mountanman

From the Michigan Office of the Auditor General, Audit Report May 2012:
page 16:
"Our review disclosed that the QVF voter history file showed that 1,375 unique deceased individuals
were recorded as having voted a total of 1,381 times during the audit period."

page 17:
"The Department also informed us that in every instance where it appears a deceased person or
incarcerated person voted and local records were available, a clerical error was
established as the reason for the situation.

The Department informed us that the examples provided did not result in a single verified case that an ineligible person voted."

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The South has been known for voter suppression since the Civil War. And it is true they have learned some lessons from their corrupt behavior. Instead of the Democratic Party it is now the Republican Party.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If you don't think there is any Voter Fraud in the recent election... Google "How widespread is voter fraud 2012 facts and figures"...

46 of the 50 states have prosecuted or convicted voter fraud cases.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

If this many people are TRYING to vote illegally... do you think not requiring any ID will make the number of fraudulent votes BETTER... Or WORSE?

Wonder
Provo, UT

The only voter fraud I've heard of in the past few years was a couple of Republicans who voted twice to "show" that they could get away with voter fraud. Except they didn't. Oops.

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