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Published: Monday, Nov. 11 2013 10:43 a.m. MST

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Yes Bob,

The races that you mention were either won by Democrats, or Moderate Republicans.
And those moderate Republicans are a huge turnoff to the base of the GOP.

The GOP is in a major civil war.

Until they unite behind a moderate candidate, (like Christie) the dems will take another one.

Moderate dems could support a moderate GOP candidate.

The bigger question is, could the GOP base?

bandersen
Saint George, UT

If anyone could actually see the irony in watching Democrats and Republicans claim victory (pick your issue on either side). The Democrats claim 'victory' when 47 million our on some form of government welfare, including the most recent coup, Healthcare, with an economy that is the worst ever, debt and entitlements that have almost reached the tipping point, and despair reaching almost every household. Only in this environment would you hear of 'victory' and great success. The Republicans,on the other hand, love war, corporate and government perks, deficit spending, progressive taxes, etc. The pundits and political class respond to it all by denigrating the concept of marriage and spend months on end thinking they have actually been working on things that help America. What a joke! Where are the independent thinkers out there that aren't deluded and will actually stand up and say, "enough is enough." That actually takes courage to do, something sorely missing in America, but mostly in our political leaders.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Bennett's opinion comes as no surprise. Count on Bob to dis those who unseated him.
There's a great deal of animosity among the Utah RINOs, aimed at conservatives.
But Bennett fails to show how business as usual in Washington is going to change things, or even benefit the GOP.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Mr. Bennett is looking for excuses to claim that it was all a big mistake when Utahns decided not to allow him another term in the Senate, and picked more conservative candidates.

Republicans will continue to lose national races until we nominate a true conservative, not a wishy-washy "democrat lite". But, Bob Bennett has already found out that this is the case in Utah, even though he wishes it were not.

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@DN Subscriber

Please, oh please nominate a "true conservative", not a "wishy-washy democrat lite" to run for president in 2016. We need a Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell ("I am not a witch"), Ken Buck, Michelle Bachman, or Sarah Palin to be the candidate this year. Or would you prefer Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, or Rand Paul? I'll take any of them. The Democrats would win in a landslide, and would take back the House as well.

Your "true conservative" candidates are not as popular as you think they are, especially outside of Utah.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I have grown tired listening to a man who was voted out of office because he was too liberal leaning in the Senate and the people of Utah wanted a true conservative to represent them...which they have now in Mike Lee. It remains to be seen if Chris Christy can catch the support of conservatives nationwide. I doubt it...unless he reaches out to Tea Party thinking conservatives in a big way.

As far a both sides claiming some sort of victory...I would say both sides ought to be looking more at the disastrous roll out of this socialist heath care bill and the now 18 million people who are suffering because they have no reasonable insurance options. Democrats are going to have this boat anchor wrapped tightly round their leg all the way through the mid term elections and many 'soft' purple Republicans are going to have to answer to their states as to why they refused to join Senator Cruz and Lee and fight for the year delay. Both camps are in BIG trouble. No victor - only losers thus far..

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

When I wrote "The GOP is in a major civil war."

I was addressing comments like this

"Republicans will continue to lose national races until we nominate a true conservative, not a wishy-washy "democrat lite". "

If the GOP take away from the Romney loss was that we just need to run more conservative candidates, they totally missed the point.

Without moderates and independents, you can not win a presidential election. Moving farther right will not get those votes.

I would strongly consider Chris Christie. I would never vote Ted Cruz.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:JoeBlow

I haven't heard one time that Ted Cruz was considering a run for the presidency. Personally - I don't see congressmen as good presidents anyway. Governors make the best presidents because they have actually had to balance budgets and negotiate. Ted Cruz is loved in Texas and that is all that matters to him to stay in congress and the same is for Mike Lee. I know Utah County folks love Mike Lee.

spring street
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Here is a novel idea how about they stop slapping themselves on the back for being the ever so slightly better of two bad choices and actually do their jobs.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"I haven't heard one time that Ted Cruz was considering a run for the presidency. "

Very true,

Nor have we heard from Hillary or Christie.

They may or may not run. Would you bet against them running?

I sure wouldn't

high school fan
Huntington, UT

To all of you democrat posters out there that are gleeful about the so-called split in the Republican Party leading to your victory, just remember this one word "obamacare ". This just might lead to your downfall.

Rawhide Kid
Sevier County, UT

Senator Bennett is a RINO.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Bob Bennett makes some good, sound, solid agruements.

1.
Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and the rest of the political puritans will spend the next 3 years shredding every GOP candidate that is not "just like them" leading up to the GOP nomination, and then will scamble trying to make a mends 3 months before the General Election.
Here's a clue: That's why Mitt Romney LOST.

It's no different than born-again preachers spending their entire ministry shredding other Christians for not being REAL Christians, or NOT Christian enough and then sitting down and having a big 'ol Come to Jesus meeting together.
Nobody's buying it.

2.
Gov. Christie is successful for the same reasons Reagan was.
Big Tent, Socially Liberal - Fiscally Conservative, Working across the aisle, We are all in this together...
RINO.

Ronald Reagan was the supreme RINO or all RINO's, yet Tea-Partiers hail him as a Messiah.
Get ahold of yourselves.

So long as the GOP is infected with the cancer of the Tea-Party -- don't count on winning anything or getting anything done from the party of NO.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@banderson
"with an economy that is the worst ever"

We've gained jobs 44 consecutive months in a row... and you want to call that worse than the Great Depression? Either stop lying or get informed.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@high school fan
Obamacare? Funny thing is, Obamacare polling has actually been remarkably stable the past month and a half despite all the website issues. Once more and more people realize that there actually is affordable care on the marketplace (family members of mine have gone from long rants against Obamacare to ending up finding out there are plans on there that end up being cheaper with equivalent care to what they had)... I'm not concerned. This is a good bill and that'll be understood in the coming months.

airnaut
Everett, 00

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC
Yes Bob,

Moderate dems could support a moderate GOP candidate.
The bigger question is, could the GOP base?

8:54 a.m. Nov. 11, 2013

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That's exactly right!
That's why Ronald Reagan won.
[it was like as many Democrats voted for him as Republicans did.]
That's why Tea-Partiers are wrong. {Reagan was a RINO, and getting more and more extreme will make you more and more isolated out there in far-right-field]
and
That's why the GOP will never win again.

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Atl134

It doesn't matter if some are getting coverage under obamacare, the end result is that we still have no money to pay for it and we will still have millions in this country without coverage. Many democrats are already seeing the writing on the wall and are abandoning Obama, and many more will do so.
While I appreciate the opinions of all, it is to bad that all of us will pay for this for a very long time. Nothing the federal government does is done efficiently and the indications all say this will be the same.

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