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  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Yes that letter was funny, but also scary. People really believe the FOX News hype that is so degrading it is sad. Mike Lee really did his party and Utah a wrong, but he will get re-elected again because we just don't think for ourselves in Utah. A moderate would do us well!

  • rabbut Ogden, UT
    Nov. 14, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    It becomes more and more difficult to sort what is satire and what is real. I would adore a letter from the writer detailing the constitutional protections offered by Mike Lee and his constitutional governance.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    There is a place for leaders such as Mike Lee. He is willing to stand firm on principles and be ridiculed for it. When it comes to comparing his reasoning to that of Obama, I'd far prefer to agree with Mike Lee.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    Ideology is never a suitable substitute for introspection, due diligence, wisdom and good judgment. To think otherwise is to promote ineptness. That is the problem we face with Sen. Lee.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    I would have had nothing against Senator Lee, (although I didn't have much information about him before, because I am an optimist). I always try and give people the benefit of the doubt, as I hope they would me.... "Do unto others" type theory. However, when I heard what happened with Senator Lee and since I've gone without health coverage because of the health insurance unfair practices, I had to pause and re-evaluate him. Either he doesn't know about health insurance (I'm a former health insurance worker and know many people don't) or he just doesn't care and just wants the approval of his Party at all costs. Either way is unacceptable for a Senator of the USA!

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Is this a ruse?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    to airnaut 9:26a today...

    That is one funny looking map because I'd insist Vega$ stays in the US.

    Or, we could could merge Mexico, the US, & Canada. Why? It'd push Glenn Beck over the edge.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Again, Lee has been completely silent on what he and his cohorts intend for seniors. He is a fellow Utahn and churchman, but he scares me as much as any middle east terrorist.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    The Lee supporters keep trying to rehabilitate the failed Senator. Will he disavow the radical tea party?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Hank Pym
    SLC, UT
    re 10CC...

    "Louisiana Purchase - do we sell it back to France? Yes or no?"

    Keep the LP. But, can we give CA & TX back to Mexico?

    9:10 a.m. Nov. 12, 2013

    =============

    Only if Utah goes with them.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    re 10CC...

    "Louisiana Purchase - do we sell it back to France? Yes or no?"

    Keep the LP. But, can we give CA & TX back to Mexico?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    re: Furry1993 yesterday

    "There is nothing "great" about Lee."

    Not true. He is a *great* big pain in the... political process.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    mark
    Posters who think they are tolerant merely because they hate for all the fashionable reasons (hypocrites) are all in a tizzy. If the latter angered the fashionably intolerant - the writer is on to something.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    On the TV the other night Lee said conservatives need to say what they are "for" as much as they say what they are "against." OK, we know the Lee opposes "Obamacare," but he has been completely silent about his intentions for seniors. I wonder what he intends to do for us or to us. Anybody else curious?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    "The hypocrisy of the posts indicate that the original letter must be correct"

    How idea one follow the other? If (for the sake of argument) there is hypocrisy in the posts, how does that make the original letter "correct"? How are the claims in the original letter validated by any hypocrisy in the posts?

    And while we are at it, what hypocrisy?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 11, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    re:2bits
    "He needed to find an acceptable compromise. And get started before a few weeks before the budget has to be passed"

    House Republicans refused to go to a budget conference for 6 mons preceding the shutdown. Their plan all along was to use the shutdown as the tactic to repeal/defund Obamacare.

    It is apparent Lee/Cruz never learned:

    "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    The hypocrisy of the posts indicate that the original letter must be correct

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Nov. 11, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    I checked Mike Lee's voting record from another thread --

    He has 144 Nay votes,
    and only 56 Yea votes.

    [Assault Weapons for lunatics [aka, no background checks] was his only note worthy Yea vote].

    He has not voted FOR one judicial nominee since he's been in Washington.

    Now --
    How does that make him so great?

    For the record --
    After his little stunt shutting down the Government and permanently giving the GOP a black eye,
    don't count on 1st term Senator Mike Lee being selected to head any powerful Senate committees, or be privy to any politically sensitive matters ever again.

    He's burned that bridge.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    IMO his position was right, but his tactics were wrong. He needed to find an acceptable compromise. And get started before a few weeks before the budget has to be passed or the government shutsdown.

    Complete and total repeal was not an option. He needed to propose something Democrats could accept.

    Problem is... NOTHING gets done in Washington until it's a "Crisis".

    We are already past the time when any real negotiation and compromise could happen on the NEXT Budget Deadline. We're already past the point where serious people could work out a serious compromise solution to the problem... so it's obviously going to be "Govern by Crisis Mgt" again when the next deadline arrives.

    Democrats already know the Republicans are going to be painted as the bad-guys if they oppose ANYTHING They want. And if they hold out long enough... even if the government gets shutdown AGAIN... they get no blame and the Republicans look all the worse.

    What motivation is there for Democrats to do anything until it's too late?

    Even if we MISS the deadline again and the government shutsdown... Republicans get vilified... So why even try if you're a Democrat?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 2:22 p.m.

    Leaving Mike Lee out of it, and try to define what you mean when you say, "Great Senator"... I don't think you would describe Mike Lee.

    I would describe a great Statesman (or someone who knows when to be firm... and when to give a little and compromise when needed to give BOTH sides what they need to "win"). Someone like Washington, or Lincoln, or Jefferson.

    NEITHER side in this recent debacle showed the ability to compromise or give the other side a "Win" (not just Republicans). I don't know if I could find a SINGLE "Statesman" in Washington now days (Democrat or Republican).

    He may BE a "Great Senator" some day... but I personally don't think he is there yet.

    Standing on principle is not all there is to being a great legislator. You also need to be able to find a way to get the things you are standing on DONE. Sometimes that requires compromise and finding a way for both sides to feel they won.

    Democrats could learn this lesson too.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    My favorite line was the one about how the 'government' is trying to stop him. Despite, you know, Senators being part of 'government.' Oh, wait, it's gotta be the NSA. Or maybe the Secret Service. They're making him say silly things on TV! It's mind control!

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    I agree with this letter writer. You may not agree with Lee's politics, but it has been a long time since Utah has had a politician that has been willing to stand by what he said during the campaign. The DN and Utah media in general have done a good job demonizing Lee. Don't whine about an over burdening government and then complain when someone tries to do something about it.

    Time will tell if Obama Care and the huge national deficit is good for the country, or if those opposed to Obama Care and the deficit are right. The 2014 congressional elections should tell the tale. Lee will not be affected by this elections but others in the Senate and House will be.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    yrboaenmbepibadirvmminncvwcl;sa My head hit the keyboard when I passed out. I do not know how long I was out, but my computer was in screensaver mode when I recovered. How do you respond to this? Wow doesn't even come close. Is obstruction to everything considered accomplishment? Is threatening a government shutdown and financial default to stop a law passed by Congress, signed by the President and ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court, a power of a few Congressmen in our Constitution?

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @ atl134

    Both groups you mention supported budgets which included funding the government and servicing debt.

    Obama allowed the government to shut down in order to retain funding for Obamacare. And Obamacare is a disaster.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 11, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    I would trade half a Mike Lee for the two dimwit senators we are saddled with in our state!!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    "Unconstitutional" is in the eye of the beholder. Mike Lee sees any federal effort at helping sick people as "unconstitutional." I read the same document and see the phrase "provide for the general welfare." To me, that means doing what we can as a nation to care for the sick, to prevent epidemics, and to relieve suffering. Lee differs. In my opinion, he is using the Constitution as a cover for selfishness.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said Thursday that Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli would have won the governor's race against Terry McAuliffe had two unnamed senators not thrust the country into a government closure. But a Democrat beat him out.
    They were unnamed because Hatch didn't call the two senators out by name. But let's just say their names start with Ted and Mike and end in Cruz and Lee.
    "Look, Cuccinelli would have won if a couple of senators hadn't shut down the government," Hatch told Fox News on Thursday.

    So there's your great Senator. If by "great" you mean "worthless" then you are correct.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    "Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah is one of the greatest senators that Utah has ever had."

    --

    I like dreaming...

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Here's how "Great" he is.

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said Thursday that Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli would have won the governor's race against Terry McAuliffe had two unnamed senators not thrust the country into a government closure.
    They were unnamed because Hatch didn't call the two senators out by name. But let's just say their names start with Ted and Mike and end in Cruz and Lee.
    "Look, Cuccinelli would have won if a couple of senators hadn't shut down the government," Hatch told Fox News on Thursday.
    So if by "great" you mean Mike Lee is "worthless", then you are correct.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Mike Lee might be great, maybe he is not. However the greater the claims the greater the scrutiny. Subject him to scrutiny, and when he survives, those ideas will be stronger.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    10CC,

    Great post. Thanks.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Speaking of Mikey's tea party, I saw Sarah Palin on the Today Show this morning. She was angry, irrational, shrill, and determined. She refused to answer questions posed to her. She gave vague, evasive answers to other questions. Reminded me of 2008. But this is what drives the tea party. It is mostly misdirected anger and alarmism. Mike Lee is less shrill and irrational, but he too is peddling alarmism and anger over symptoms rather than the real disease. Don't be taken in by the rhetoric. It is dangerous, and it is not going to simply go away because 70 percent of the country is tired of it. Our best hope is that it will split the GOP in half, thus rendering both less perilous.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    This letter would be one of the funniest in decades, except that I have a sneaking suspicion that the letter writer is dead serious. In that case, this letter is tragic, because, unfortunately, there are a lot of Utahns who agree with her. And Mike in Sandy, don't be so sure Lee is a one-and-doner. Don't put it past Utah voters to send this guy back to Washington for another dreadful term.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    I don't know if Lee is a "Great Senator" or not yet. This is his first term. You kinda have to have a track record go be "Great" IMO. That's why I was so surprised when Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize BEFORE he even became President. BEFORE he had done anything besides serve one term in the Senate.

    Let's wait and see on Mike Lee. IMO you can't become a "Great" Senator in just ONE term (whether you are Barack Obama or Mike Lee).

    Mike Lee is a good Constitutional Scholar.. I give him that. He has many years of doing that and a track record on that. But he's new to the Legislating. We'll have to see if he is a good "Legislator" or not. Being a Constitutional Scholar doesn't always make you a great Legislator. Just as being a fast talking Senator doesn't always make you a Great President. There are different skills required for each of these jobs that don't automatically translate into making you "Great" at the other.

    What Legislation has Mike Lee proposed and passed?

    THAT would make him a "Great Senator".

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah is one of the greatest senators that Utah has ever had.
    [Seriously?]

    I, for one, am tired of hearing him bashed.
    [He deserves it.]

    Because he is doing such great things and is being constitutional,
    [Biggest lie of them all -- Please show me how extortion and Shutting down the Government over a law that was Constitutionally passed by the House, the Senate, the President, and the US Supreme Court counts as being Constitutional? If he was following and defending the Constitutional, he would get the Constitutionally required votes to change things.]

    the government wants him stopped — the people do not want him stopped.
    [and of course, It would not be complete without the Cabal Conspiracy Theory to counter or explain the obvious or unexplainable.]


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  • dave Park City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    This letter reads like a Fox News random talking point generator. The frightening thing is that people actually believe the hype.

    Folks, These talking heads that give you these talking points are entertainers. nothing more. Taking the seriously is like taking Thurston Howell III from Gilligan's Island seriously. Their sole motivation is money. The more outlandish they are the bigger their audience and the more money they take home.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Every week a letter gets published that, in all honesty, has to be taken as purely tongue-in-cheek. This is our winner.
    Unless, of course, Mike Lee wrote this himself.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    That is hilarious. Even his own party members are distancing themselves from this one-and-done senator.

  • isrred South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Mike Lee is an embarrassment. Period.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    @T. Party
    " There was only one side threatening default, and it wasn't Mike Lee."

    That's incorrect. The Senate passed a budget that funded everything at the House levels except Obamacare which they set their funding levels for. The House never voted on it like the Senate voted on the House versions. So... there were two sets of people threatening default. 1. Boehner and House leadership which changed the rules on bringing up Senate bills for a vote (limiting it only to House leadership rather than anyone, blocking Democrats in the House). 2. The 80 or so tea partiers that signed onto a letter expressing support for shutting down the gov't if Obamacare wasn't defunded.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    The lefties are in top form today.

    "...threaten the global economy...."
    "...disorder, chaos, anarchy, blackmail, extortion and other wrongful acts..."
    "...causing economy to falter and loss [sic] 6 Billion."

    Mike Lee supported a budget that pays for all of government except Obamacare. This includes the payment of our nation's debts. There was only one side threatening default, and it wasn't Mike Lee. It turns out he was right about Obamacare -- the thing is a train wreck. He did the best he could to avoid it.

    If anyone deserves our contempt, it is the man who lied to the American people to bring us Obamacare. "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. Period."

    Obama told a flat-out lie. Period. Mike Lee was right to oppose him.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    One thing I've noticed is tea partiers tend to see things in black & white, good or bad, right or wrong. Grey areas tend to be confusing, and end up being part of their big hairball of frustration, the great injustice of it all they rail against.

    Perhaps the very first major instance of a US President undermining the constitution was the Louisiana Purchase, by Thomas Jefferson, in 1804. This large acquisition composes all or part of 15 current states, but many people at the time opposed it because it was viewed as unconstitutional.

    The question for tea partiers is what we should to do to correct previous unconstitutional injustices? If we're going to honor and defend the constitution, it seems to me that includes correcting past breaches of constitutional authority: the Department of Energy, Medicare and the Louisiana Purchase.

    Louisiana Purchase - do we sell it back to France? Yes or no?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    He is a tea party wolf as he has proven. Just in sheep clothing after causing economy to falter and loss 6 Billion.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Yes, how dare Mike Lee or anyone else demand honesty and accountability from our president? How dare he? Doing so is very destructive, right?
    Mike Lee should be regarded as a hero for shinning just a little bit of light and truth on the Obama Administration! Even if they don't like it! That's HIS job!

  • Creaver Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    The best friend, not "te eat" friend. Typos are unconstitutional.

  • Creaver Sandy, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    Wow. So speeches and rhetoric are more important than results? Because the results of Lee's intransigent grandstanding have been damage to both the Republican brand and conservative policy goals, not to mention billions of dollars in real-world economic damage.

    He talks a good talk, but, in practice, he's actually te eat friend the Democrats ever had.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 6:18 a.m.

    Sorry, but he is going against the very Constitution you claim to support. The Founding Fathers never would countenance what Lee and Cruz have been doing. They set up a system of government to bring order, and your boy has brought in disorder, chaos, anarchy, blackmail, extortion and other wrongful acts on matters that were adopted by the Constitutional process and upheld by the courts. Lee wants to overthrow what amounts to a difference of opinion on policy matters. No, dear writer, an agreement with Lee on policy does not entitle a small minority to effectively attempt a coup. Lee makes a mockery of the Constitution. His words say one thing, and his heart and actions are far from it.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 5:05 a.m.

    I needed a good belly laugh to start my day. This letter gave me just that. I laughed my head off -- thanks, Bobbi, for the comedy letter you wrote.

    There is nothing "great" about Lee. In fact, the truth is just the opposite. He is a disaster that, unfortunately, found a place to happen and the country (and Utah) has suffered as a result. We deserve better.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 2:24 a.m.

    "Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah is one of the greatest senators that Utah has ever had."

    Wow, quite a claim. I wonder if Bobbi can name four other Senators from Utah.

    "Because he is doing such great things and is being constitutional, the government wants him stopped"

    Good heavens! The government wants him stopped? Sounds like the plot of a Political Intrigue novel.

    Do you realize, Bobbi, that all the Senators are "being constitutional"? I'm very sure all of them were elected, per the Constitution. I'm sure that all of them when they offer bills are doing it through the constitutional procedures of the Congress. What is it, exactly, that you think these people are doing that is not constitutional. You realize, right, that even if they pass a bill that the Supreme Court finds unconstitutional, they still have not done anything unconstitutional? The constitution says nothing about the types of bills they have to offer or pass.

    And you do realize that the Supreme Court is included in the Constitution? They get to say what is constitutional and what isn't. You realize that, right?

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Nov. 11, 2013 1:00 a.m.

    "...he has stood strong for constitutional principles."

    And where in the Constitution does it say that Congressmen can throw hissyfits and threaten the global economy if they don't the votes to enact their agenda?