Quite a pathetic scenario when an idea to help those who are less fortunate is
another win on the Repubs "NO" list. (BTW, is there a
"YES" list some where?)Affordable healthcare is blackballed again
and again by the ultra conservative GOP.Obviously the GOP has worked for
decades, and has a multiplicity of ideas, on making healthcare affordable for
all...NOT.What does this say about America, supposedly the best and
strongest country in the world? What does it say when those who are
struggling amongst us are constantly ridiculed and assailed as being something
"less than others"?Those making less than necessary to support
themselves and a family are called a number of negative epithets day after day.
Well known people in the spotlight, tearing down the poor include legislators,
radio and TV stations, and others of living with abundant monetary means in the
United States.Appears, without a doubt, the ultra right wing of America
will, undoubtedly be remembered as the group to win, hands down, as the
champions in this area of politics and human relations. Boost on
Ah, yes, Republicans, crush those citizens of less value to you, beneath your
$500.00 European leather shoes.Romney said they weren't going to vote
for him, and they probably won't vote for you either.As long as you
have your governmental benefits, what does it matter, right?
What the Deseret News calls a "boost" for the GOP I call
"vindication". The GOP has been correct all this time about
Obamacare. The Obama administration and the Senate Dems refused to compromise
and shut down the government as a result, but the media blamed the Republicans
for the choices of the Democrats and President Obama. Well, now the
Republicans, especially Senator Lee here in Utah, are being vindicated.
All this will pas as Obama Care is implemented and the public realizes how much
the Republican Party has been lying to them. There will be another incident of
disbelief on FOX as the Democrats and Obama Care come out the winners in 2014
and in 2016. The Republicans continue to dig their own graves by
their negative reactions to the issues that matter most to the American Public.
Immigration, voting rights, health insurance for all, attacks against women and
minorities, decrease the safety net so that the rich can become richer at the
expense of those less fortunate, Etc, etc, To the voting public -
two or more negatives do not + a positive!
Obamacare? Its a scam to rob from Peter to pay for Paul's healthcare
insurance. The 5% of "Paul's of the nation will love it but the 95% of
"Peters" resent being lied to and having their healthcare insurance
premiums, co-pays and deductibles explode. We will have far more uninsured
Americans because of Obamacare than we did before because millions of American
who don't qualify for subsides will not be able to afford the escalating
insurance anymore! We threw out a great healthcare system where 95% of Americans
had healthcare insurance for the 5% who didn't! What fools we are!
The deception here is not that the Republicans can now show how evil the
Democrats are, its that they will be able to convince the Republican followers
that there is a difference between the two parties. Both have quite willingly
obliged each other while making it appear that they are at odds. Even
representative matheson knows this move well. He, supposedly, is the great
mediator between extremist Republicans and Democrats when he knows full well
there is no difference between the two. It is the very reason that big money and
Republican power brokers have recently moved against the caucus system here in
Utah. Mike Lee has embarrassed them and they can't have that happen
anymore. The Republican party know that elections and the right person can be
bought and sold like any other commodity. Mike Lee, the other candidates were
about as conservative as him, came without their brand and their approval.
Americans are hurting, and all that matters are Obama's poll rating,
Republicans, and Democrats.Are the American people just pawns in a
"What does it say when those who are struggling amongst us are constantly
ridiculed and assailed as being something "less than others"?" This
an inaccurate statement (to put it politely).What does it say when
hard working individuals are excoriated for their financial success, ridiculed
and assailed, and envious and deceitful federal government minions puts their
greedy hand in the back pocket to steal the fruits that aren't theirs???Barrack Obama is "sorry", not because of any harm inflicted on
real people, but because his signature piece of legislation and house of cards
is crumbling right before our eyes, and because of the harm he has done to the
Democratic Party. Who ever thought that their gross ineptitude in
designing a functioning website would be the catalyst and symbolic "pulled
brick" that would be the start of a crumbling presidency. It is nothing
short of poetic justice.It has been a joy to witness.
Another unfortunate example how critical issues affecting our nation are only
viewed as how they affect one party or the other. Obamacare and other issues
should not be viewed as who benefits and who loses. They are much larger and
should be viewed through the spectrum of how they affect the nation! The media
rails against partisanship but reports mainly with a partisanship focus, as if
which party gains or loses is most important!
The Obamacare blues aren't going to end once the web site is functioning.
The bigger 800 lb gorilla in the room is the law itself and this thing is much
worse than the actual web site if that is even possible. To mention just a few
of the many problems with this bill...*the cancellation of insurance
nation wide. Most metrics I have heard have this number reaching as high as
50-75 million in a year. The number stands at around 18 million so far. This is
by design.*the cost of the exchange insurance. Contrary to what Democrats
are preaching the cost is much higher than what people were paying before...in
most cases 2-3 times higher. How would you like to suddenly be hit with utility
bills 2-3 times higher or a car payment 2-3 higher? *the loss of your
doctor. Most cancellations result in the person losing their long time doctor as
well. This is compounded when you have a disease like Cancer. *the limited
choice. The exchanges only give you a few choices all of which force unwanted
and unneeded coverage for maturity and mental health..both expensive add-ons...
A lot of these comments would make very good sense IFOur healthcare
system was not broken.We were not already "robbing peter to pay
paul"The rate of increase in healthcare costs are one of the biggest
threats to the deficitThe number without healthcare was not huge and
growingSome make it sound like everything was fine before the ACA.
It was not.
"It's the math"-B. Clinton 2012. Hillary's husband was
discussing the budget when making this comment but he might has well been
talking about elections. The GOP's base continues to shrink and their
policies are offensive to the majority of women, latino's and the young.
Oh, and those groups continue to be the fasting growing segments or our
electorate. So, the GOP may get a short term bump with the roll-out of of the
ACA but they're not a going to win much unless they can start to do the
From Democrats:You can keep your insurance if you like it.
Period.You can keep your doctors if you like them. Period.ACA will
reduce our national debt.Insurance premiums will be $2500 lower per year,
on average.Out of pocket health care costs will be reduced.The
website problems are due to unexpectedly high traffic.We previously said
you could keep your health care plans ONLY IF they met ACA requirements.Insurance companies - not ACA requirements - are responsible for canceled
insurance plans. @The Reader - yeah, Republicans are the liars.
Make me laugh.
We will be treated as liberatorsIraq oil will pay for the warThere
is no doubt that Iraq has weapons of mass destructionIraq was involved in
September 11 that’s been pretty well confirmedWe don't want the
smoking gun to be a mushroom cloudYes, there are plenty of lies to
@JoeBlow"We will be treated as liberators." Those I know
who served in Iraq say they were tremendously grateful to be free of Saddam, and
treated them like liberators. Where's the lie?"Iraq oil
will pay for the war" I suspect if we decimated Iraq's economy by
taking their oil to fulfill this assurance, you wouldn't like that
either. "There is no doubt that Iraq has weapons of mass
destruction." Did you hear that from Congressional Democrats? From Barack
Obama? From Hillary Clinton? From Israeli leaders? From nearly every
civilized country in the world? Oh yeah - from ALL of them, but it was only a
lie when the Republicans said it, right? Big difference between intelligence
failures and lies."Iraq was involved in September 11
that’s been pretty well confirmed." How long did anyone say that? At
least Bush left this line behind very quickly when it was proven false. Obama
can't let go of any falsehood he tells, and lies to cover his lies."We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
And you do? How is this a lie?Blaming Bush for Democrat lies is
"Blaming Bush for Democrat lies is pathetic"And I did that
where?Nor do I defend Obama's lies.(as you have done with
Bush/Cheney) Obama has outright lied.I merely pointed out that,
unfortunately, lying politicians are commonplace. Even among Republican
JoeBlow,Bush made a mistake regarding Iraq. He was told by the
intelligence community of the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, and many other
nations that Saddam had WMD. The intelligence community was wrong. Bush was
wrong, but he didn't lie.But Obama has flat-out lied. He knew
it when he made those promises about health insurance plans.I know
your partisan leanings would cause you to disagree, but I would believe Bush
over Obama any day.Besides, what if the Iraqi WMD was sent to Syria
and now Obama is dealing with them? Wouldn't that be ironic?
@JoeBlowMy sincere apologies, as you in fact did not blame Bush for
Obama's lies.Permit me to rephrase: Excusing Democrats'
lies because of Bush's mistakes (yes - mistakes, not lies) is pathetic.It's not hard to defend mistakes, since everyone makes them.
I'd like to hear your defense of Obama's unmitigated lies. You
don't defend them because they can't be defended.@David -
JoeBlow - at least when debating the lies about various politicians, we should
be honest about the dishonesties. The examples you cite as lies by the Bush
administration are nothing more than predictions, hopes, and suppositions based
on available intelligence. Some of your examples aren't even necessarily
false in retrospect. It's not very honest to call your examples lies and
compare them to the known lies of the Obama administration.Who says
we weren't greeted as liberators? As with LetsDebate, I know a few people
who served in Iraq, and they said the Iraqis were happy our soldiers ousted
Saddam Hussein. Even if you think we were not greeted as liberators, it's
certainly not a lie to predict it, or to repeat what every credible intelligence
organization in the world believed was true about WMD's.Admittedly, all politicians fudge and spin the facts. Outright lying,
however, should not be tolerated and seems to be pathological for President
Obama and his administration. He seems to truly govern by an "ends justify
the means" philosophy on just about everything.
I hope he fails!Our #1 goal is to make Obama a 1 term President.So, any bad news is good news for the GOP?I'm an American.United we Stand, Divided we fall.
@LDS Liberal - as always, thank you for the uniting words. I'm sure
Republicans will now repent and join your side so the healing and uniting can
begin, on your terms of course, because that's how uniting works in a true
liberal's mind.By the way, the #1 goal of the GOP is to make
America strong economically, morally, individually, collectively, militarily,
etc. We view Obama's policies as detrimental to that goal, so the sooner
he leaves his office the better.I'm an American. I should have
freedom of association, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, and
property rights. If my thoughts are dis-united from yours, then engaging in the
marketplace of ideas is something that makes this country great, including the
right to spew intellectually vapid tripe like "Republicans cheer, when
America stumbles." That argument is truly what's pathetic, worthy of
derision, and fosters the divisiveness you suggest is so detestable. DN sensors seem very sensitive to your feelings today, so I doubt this will
get printed. How your words are deemed civil and inoffensive, I really
don't know, but apparently we aren't allowed much challenge to your
I'm an American too, and part of the greatness of this country is that I
can have an opinion different than you, LDS Liberal. Does being united mean we
all have to agree with you? Your talk of "Republicans cheer, when America
stumbles," is precisely the kind of patently false invective that
unnecessarily divides our country, no different (and in my opinion worse) than
Mitch McConnell's ill-advised comment 5 YEARS AGO that making Obama a
1-term president was the GOP's top priority. You've grabbed onto that
single sound bite and use it repeatedly to beat a dead horse and bludgeon your
political foes. And then, you really expect us to believe
you're for a united country?
US Post Office....broke.Amtrak......broke.Social
Security......broke.Medicare.......broke.Medicaid......broke.Fannie Mae.....broke.Freddie Mac.....broke.Immigration
laws......broke.Tax laws.....broke.Common sense voting
laws....broke.US military.....broke (reduced to the size of not being able
to fight effectively on 2 fronts)Morality and common sense in
Congress.....broke.Federal budget process....broke. (How many years has
the US gov't NOT had a budget?)Federal deficit? Waaaaay broke.
'Only' $17 TRILLION in debt and climbing.So, tell me how
exactly is Obama's 2,700 page nationalized health care law going to work,
again? Seriously, please explain it to me.And you actually believe