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Ongoing troubles with Obama's health law give GOP a much-needed boost

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  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Nov. 13, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    US Post Office....broke.
    Amtrak......broke.
    Social Security......broke.
    Medicare.......broke.
    Medicaid......broke.
    Fannie Mae.....broke.
    Freddie Mac.....broke.
    Immigration laws......broke.
    Tax laws.....broke.
    Common sense voting laws....broke.
    US military.....broke (reduced to the size of not being able to fight effectively on 2 fronts)
    Morality and common sense in Congress.....broke.
    Federal budget process....broke. (How many years has the US gov't NOT had a budget?)
    Federal deficit? Waaaaay broke. 'Only' $17 TRILLION in debt and climbing.

    So, tell me how exactly is Obama's 2,700 page nationalized health care law going to work, again? Seriously, please explain it to me.

    And you actually believe it?

    Riiiight....

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:25 a.m.

    I'm an American too, and part of the greatness of this country is that I can have an opinion different than you, LDS Liberal. Does being united mean we all have to agree with you? Your talk of "Republicans cheer, when America stumbles," is precisely the kind of patently false invective that unnecessarily divides our country, no different (and in my opinion worse) than Mitch McConnell's ill-advised comment 5 YEARS AGO that making Obama a 1-term president was the GOP's top priority. You've grabbed onto that single sound bite and use it repeatedly to beat a dead horse and bludgeon your political foes.

    And then, you really expect us to believe you're for a united country?

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal - as always, thank you for the uniting words. I'm sure Republicans will now repent and join your side so the healing and uniting can begin, on your terms of course, because that's how uniting works in a true liberal's mind.

    By the way, the #1 goal of the GOP is to make America strong economically, morally, individually, collectively, militarily, etc. We view Obama's policies as detrimental to that goal, so the sooner he leaves his office the better.

    I'm an American. I should have freedom of association, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, and property rights. If my thoughts are dis-united from yours, then engaging in the marketplace of ideas is something that makes this country great, including the right to spew intellectually vapid tripe like "Republicans cheer, when America stumbles." That argument is truly what's pathetic, worthy of derision, and fosters the divisiveness you suggest is so detestable.

    DN sensors seem very sensitive to your feelings today, so I doubt this will get printed. How your words are deemed civil and inoffensive, I really don't know, but apparently we aren't allowed much challenge to your comments today.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    I hope he fails!
    Our #1 goal is to make Obama a 1 term President.

    So, any bad news is good news for the GOP?

    I'm an American.
    United we Stand, Divided we fall.

  • Mr. Plate Lindon, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    JoeBlow - at least when debating the lies about various politicians, we should be honest about the dishonesties. The examples you cite as lies by the Bush administration are nothing more than predictions, hopes, and suppositions based on available intelligence. Some of your examples aren't even necessarily false in retrospect. It's not very honest to call your examples lies and compare them to the known lies of the Obama administration.

    Who says we weren't greeted as liberators? As with LetsDebate, I know a few people who served in Iraq, and they said the Iraqis were happy our soldiers ousted Saddam Hussein. Even if you think we were not greeted as liberators, it's certainly not a lie to predict it, or to repeat what every credible intelligence organization in the world believed was true about WMD's.

    Admittedly, all politicians fudge and spin the facts. Outright lying, however, should not be tolerated and seems to be pathological for President Obama and his administration. He seems to truly govern by an "ends justify the means" philosophy on just about everything.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 12, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    @JoeBlow

    My sincere apologies, as you in fact did not blame Bush for Obama's lies.

    Permit me to rephrase: Excusing Democrats' lies because of Bush's mistakes (yes - mistakes, not lies) is pathetic.

    It's not hard to defend mistakes, since everyone makes them. I'd like to hear your defense of Obama's unmitigated lies. You don't defend them because they can't be defended.

    @David - spot on.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:08 p.m.

    JoeBlow,

    Bush made a mistake regarding Iraq. He was told by the intelligence community of the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, and many other nations that Saddam had WMD. The intelligence community was wrong. Bush was wrong, but he didn't lie.

    But Obama has flat-out lied. He knew it when he made those promises about health insurance plans.

    I know your partisan leanings would cause you to disagree, but I would believe Bush over Obama any day.

    Besides, what if the Iraqi WMD was sent to Syria and now Obama is dealing with them? Wouldn't that be ironic?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    "Blaming Bush for Democrat lies is pathetic"

    And I did that where?

    Nor do I defend Obama's lies.(as you have done with Bush/Cheney) Obama has outright lied.

    I merely pointed out that, unfortunately, lying politicians are commonplace. Even among Republican politicians.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    @JoeBlow

    "We will be treated as liberators." Those I know who served in Iraq say they were tremendously grateful to be free of Saddam, and treated them like liberators. Where's the lie?

    "Iraq oil will pay for the war" I suspect if we decimated Iraq's economy by taking their oil to fulfill this assurance, you wouldn't like that either.

    "There is no doubt that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction." Did you hear that from Congressional Democrats? From Barack Obama? From Hillary Clinton? From Israeli leaders? From nearly every civilized country in the world? Oh yeah - from ALL of them, but it was only a lie when the Republicans said it, right? Big difference between intelligence failures and lies.

    "Iraq was involved in September 11 that’s been pretty well confirmed." How long did anyone say that? At least Bush left this line behind very quickly when it was proven false. Obama can't let go of any falsehood he tells, and lies to cover his lies.

    "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." And you do? How is this a lie?

    Blaming Bush for Democrat lies is pathetic.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    We will be treated as liberators
    Iraq oil will pay for the war
    There is no doubt that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction
    Iraq was involved in September 11 that’s been pretty well confirmed
    We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud

    Yes, there are plenty of lies to go around.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    From Democrats:

    You can keep your insurance if you like it. Period.
    You can keep your doctors if you like them. Period.
    ACA will reduce our national debt.
    Insurance premiums will be $2500 lower per year, on average.
    Out of pocket health care costs will be reduced.
    The website problems are due to unexpectedly high traffic.
    We previously said you could keep your health care plans ONLY IF they met ACA requirements.
    Insurance companies - not ACA requirements - are responsible for canceled insurance plans.

    @The Reader - yeah, Republicans are the liars. Make me laugh.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    "It's the math"-B. Clinton 2012.
    Hillary's husband was discussing the budget when making this comment but he might has well been talking about elections. The GOP's base continues to shrink and their policies are offensive to the majority of women, latino's and the young. Oh, and those groups continue to be the fasting growing segments or our electorate. So, the GOP may get a short term bump with the roll-out of of the ACA but they're not a going to win much unless they can start to do the math.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    A lot of these comments would make very good sense IF

    Our healthcare system was not broken.
    We were not already "robbing peter to pay paul"
    The rate of increase in healthcare costs are one of the biggest threats to the deficit
    The number without healthcare was not huge and growing

    Some make it sound like everything was fine before the ACA.

    It was not.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Comeuppance.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    The Obamacare blues aren't going to end once the web site is functioning. The bigger 800 lb gorilla in the room is the law itself and this thing is much worse than the actual web site if that is even possible. To mention just a few of the many problems with this bill...

    *the cancellation of insurance nation wide. Most metrics I have heard have this number reaching as high as 50-75 million in a year. The number stands at around 18 million so far. This is by design.
    *the cost of the exchange insurance. Contrary to what Democrats are preaching the cost is much higher than what people were paying before...in most cases 2-3 times higher. How would you like to suddenly be hit with utility bills 2-3 times higher or a car payment 2-3 higher?
    *the loss of your doctor. Most cancellations result in the person losing their long time doctor as well. This is compounded when you have a disease like Cancer.
    *the limited choice. The exchanges only give you a few choices all of which force unwanted and unneeded coverage for maturity and mental health..both expensive add-ons...

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    Another unfortunate example how critical issues affecting our nation are only viewed as how they affect one party or the other. Obamacare and other issues should not be viewed as who benefits and who loses. They are much larger and should be viewed through the spectrum of how they affect the nation! The media rails against partisanship but reports mainly with a partisanship focus, as if which party gains or loses is most important!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 10, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    "What does it say when those who are struggling amongst us are constantly ridiculed and assailed as being something "less than others"?" This an inaccurate statement (to put it politely).

    What does it say when hard working individuals are excoriated for their financial success, ridiculed and assailed, and envious and deceitful federal government minions puts their greedy hand in the back pocket to steal the fruits that aren't theirs???

    Barrack Obama is "sorry", not because of any harm inflicted on real people, but because his signature piece of legislation and house of cards is crumbling right before our eyes, and because of the harm he has done to the Democratic Party.

    Who ever thought that their gross ineptitude in designing a functioning website would be the catalyst and symbolic "pulled brick" that would be the start of a crumbling presidency. It is nothing short of poetic justice.

    It has been a joy to witness.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 10, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    Americans are hurting, and all that matters are Obama's poll rating, Republicans, and Democrats.

    Are the American people just pawns in a chess game?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    The deception here is not that the Republicans can now show how evil the Democrats are, its that they will be able to convince the Republican followers that there is a difference between the two parties. Both have quite willingly obliged each other while making it appear that they are at odds. Even representative matheson knows this move well. He, supposedly, is the great mediator between extremist Republicans and Democrats when he knows full well there is no difference between the two. It is the very reason that big money and Republican power brokers have recently moved against the caucus system here in Utah. Mike Lee has embarrassed them and they can't have that happen anymore. The Republican party know that elections and the right person can be bought and sold like any other commodity. Mike Lee, the other candidates were about as conservative as him, came without their brand and their approval.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 10, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Obamacare? Its a scam to rob from Peter to pay for Paul's healthcare insurance. The 5% of "Paul's of the nation will love it but the 95% of "Peters" resent being lied to and having their healthcare insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles explode. We will have far more uninsured Americans because of Obamacare than we did before because millions of American who don't qualify for subsides will not be able to afford the escalating insurance anymore! We threw out a great healthcare system where 95% of Americans had healthcare insurance for the 5% who didn't! What fools we are!

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    All this will pas as Obama Care is implemented and the public realizes how much the Republican Party has been lying to them. There will be another incident of disbelief on FOX as the Democrats and Obama Care come out the winners in 2014 and in 2016.

    The Republicans continue to dig their own graves by their negative reactions to the issues that matter most to the American Public. Immigration, voting rights, health insurance for all, attacks against women and minorities, decrease the safety net so that the rich can become richer at the expense of those less fortunate, Etc, etc,

    To the voting public - two or more negatives do not + a positive!

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    What the Deseret News calls a "boost" for the GOP I call "vindication".

    The GOP has been correct all this time about Obamacare. The Obama administration and the Senate Dems refused to compromise and shut down the government as a result, but the media blamed the Republicans for the choices of the Democrats and President Obama. Well, now the Republicans, especially Senator Lee here in Utah, are being vindicated.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Ah, yes, Republicans, crush those citizens of less value to you, beneath your $500.00 European leather shoes.
    Romney said they weren't going to vote for him, and they probably won't vote for you either.
    As long as you have your governmental benefits, what does it matter, right?

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Nov. 10, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    Quite a pathetic scenario when an idea to help those who are less fortunate is another win on the Repubs "NO" list.
    (BTW, is there a "YES" list some where?)
    Affordable healthcare is blackballed again and again by the ultra conservative GOP.
    Obviously the GOP has worked for decades, and has a multiplicity of ideas, on making healthcare affordable for all...
    NOT.
    What does this say about America, supposedly the best and strongest country in the world?
    What does it say when those who are struggling amongst us are constantly ridiculed and assailed as being something "less than others"?
    Those making less than necessary to support themselves and a family are called a number of negative epithets day after day. Well known people in the spotlight, tearing down the poor include legislators, radio and TV stations, and others of living with abundant monetary means in the United States.
    Appears, without a doubt, the ultra right wing of America will, undoubtedly be remembered as the group to win, hands down, as the champions in this area of politics and human relations.
    Boost on Republicans.