@Mike in Sandy having a tattoo and long hair is in essence telling you what to
look at. If you don't want to be looked at for appearance why appear as
someone your not?
I was out of work a few years ago and attended the LDS employment workshop,
hoping it would be useful for networking, resume building, etc. After they gave
an overview of interview "do's" and "don'ts" I
realized I was wasting my time. They emphasized not to wear nose/lip/eyebrow
piercings, wear ratty clothes, or baseball caps to my job interviews. Huh. Who
would've thought? If you're over the age of 16 and have to be told
these things, there is just no hope for you. It's OK; the world needs
janitors, burger flippers and clerks at adult bookshops.
A tattoo is a personal statement. When I enter a work place, I do not want
personal statements from that establishment, especially if they are threatening.
I hire people who will work for me. I don't care what they look like. I had
long hair--the trend at the time in the 70's. Every generation has their
own fads...I look past those and look at the person.
Tattoos and piercings/hardware are the personal answer to vanity license
plates. I guess it's supposed to tell the world something or make a
statement, but often it misses the mark. As I sit staring at one wondering what
it means, I never fail to wonder of the mindset that felt this was a good use of
discretionary income. I can't discriminate against someone who paid a bunch
of cash to get a plate that makes no more sense than a random number, nor
someone with a tattoo, but I can sure question their judgement. In
addition, tattoos aren't necessarily an issue, but I know there are a
number of work environments where chains and rings and all that other stuff
people feel the need to festoon themselves with are simply forbidden. Even
facial hair can be a no no in my work. Don't like it, don't work here.
It's that simple.
Perhaps someday in the future, the convention of employment and the involuntary
slavery associated with it will no longer be needed. And human beings as
individuals will truly be able to be free to be themselves. The
imaginary stories of such a world, usually puts the individual at the core of a
machine like entity that provides for all the wants and needs of that individual
person. Interplay with other humans is neither needed nor desired. The way in which such a world evolves is found in the eternal conflict of
humans born of their desire that everybody else be just like themselves.
75% of Chris "Birdman" Anderson's body is covered with tattoos, yet
he makes $1.4 million a year and sports a couple of NBA championship rings.
Somebody was willing to hire him. Just sayin' . . . .
I can't wait for the first President to have a sleeve of tats on their
arms. Maybe someone should suggest it to Hillary. I will say this
about body desecration. So far no tatoo I've seen has grossed me out, but
piercings have. People with all sorts of metal sticking through their face and
ears with lobes that have holes big enough to put a golf ball through. If I
were served by a waiter who looked like that, I'd lose my appatite. And I
don't think I'm alone in saying that.
Organizations have good reasons for expecting a certain appearance.The military doesn't let people use whatever dress code, hair style they
prefer. They have good reasons for expecting people to look as they do.Not a problem whatsoever.
50 years later...Some people are stilling judging by the color(s) of
one's skin, and not by the content of their character.
One mans art is another mans vandalism. Vandals don't see why you would
discriminate against them either. It's just beautiful art. Right? Some
people don't want vandals working for them. That's it. It's the
mentality employers are worried about, not the tattoo.
Young people getting large gauges in their ears, Big nose rings, etc, need to
consider the same thing. "This may be cool with my friends now... but how
will this affect my job prospects in the future"? It can be very limiting.
Not every boss is comfortable trying to manage an employee that
displays an anti-establishment attitude. And some customers may not be totally
comfortable working with somebody who displays their attitude by making large
holes in their ears, nose, drawing all over their skin, etc.Some
decisions to modify your body may get a satisfying shock from people now, but
it may limit your future job possibilities to working at a fast-food restaurant
the rest of your life. That may seem OK now (when you are in high school or
college)... but there may come a day when you want to become a banker, lawyer,
architect, model, or some other profession where a nice appearance does matter.
Someday you may want a position that requires public trust, where first
impressions do matter, and your body art MAY become a liability.
It's perfectly ok if employers have physical appearance rules that
employees must abide by.Nothing wrong by that
@higv"If you don't want to get discriminated for having a tattoo
don't desecrate your body that way"Hah, so if someone
doesn't want to get discriminated over religion they shouldn't be part
of it? Way to blame the victim there.
Getting hired in Utah can require lot's of secret methods used by both
employers and those seeking employment or housing sometimes. Employer's
play little word games and visual detective work, to find out if your a member
of the dominant religious group. I been asked about willingness to work Sundays,
when the business wasn't open on Sundays.Had a friend who
worked in sales who wore thin shorts of a specific length that left a crease in
the right place, that he swore by.Years ago my wife and I were
looking to move into a bigger rental we had been at the same place 7 years and
the landlord loved us, kept the place immaculate paid on time every time ect. We
were told where the local ward was in most of the interviews and we said it was
not important as we were not active members, this was the mistake I didn't
realize I was making on the very next appointment I made a point of asking if
the ward house was within walking distance, the owners face lit up and he called
us within tan hour of leaving.
Actually John, asking you to cover your tattoo while working is a pretty
reasonable compromise. Give it some time. Tattoos are becoming
more and more mainstream. It's not going to be an issue in a few years.
Unless they're on your face - then it's going to take longer for
society to accept it as normal.
@2 bitsYour comments made most of mine redundant… excellent
analysis.Most of the dumb things we do when we’re young we can
recover from without some degree of lasting damage… this is one where we
cannot. And we have evolved to be hyper-sensitive to external
signals others send – it’s folly to think that cognitive mechanism
will be turning off anytime soon.
I have a moderately large tattoo myself, and I can see both sides of the
argument.Some tattoos are ugly, some are beautiful, and some are
offensive. Do we really expect an employer to closely examine each and every
employee so that he/she can judge whether each individual tattoo meets their
criteria for acceptability or not? That's an undue burden on the employer,
and a very easy way to offend the employees as well. Who is going to put
themselves in the position of judging? It is much easier and more even-handed to
ban all exposed tattoos, rather than end up with some employees feeling that
they've been unfairly singled out.I worked in the medical
profession (both clinical and research), and I never felt discriminated against
because of my tattoo. But that may be because I planned ahead. I intentionally
got the tattoo (on one foot, ankle, and lower leg) where I could easily cover it
up or leave it revealed, whichever the situation warranted.Getting a
tattoo IS a choice. Choose wisely. And if at some point you decide you've
made a mistake, there's always laser removal. ;-)
Tattoos, piercings, body art and modifications turn me off. When ever possible
I avoid establishments that have public contact people with whom I am
uncomfortable. I go to another provider where I am more comfortable with the
clerks/servers, and spend my money there. People are free to do
what they want and free to associate with whom they want to associate, or not.
To the business owner the selection of his employees is important to the share
of the market he will capture and serve hence reluctance on hiring people with a
lot of body art who may drive business away.As to playing the
veteran card, enough already. A lot of us have military service and don't
broadcast it. We haven't had the Draft for decades so military service is
like body art, a choice. I am glad there are rough men who willing to do
violence so I can rest easy. Some of our forefathers did the same. IMO body art is a choice that reflects a rebellious or callous attitude. One
is free to spend his money on it and live with it. I am free to ignore it and
not support it.
Sorry John. Employers have the right to hire who they feel best represents
their best efforts. Smaller tatoos in less visible places are generally
accepted but some people tend to go overboard with displaying large artwork on
their skin and it is not generally accepted. They should realize this before
making the decision to do this. This decision is made by the individual and is
not foisted on them by anyone else.
I think tribal tattoos and tasteful military tattoos are mostly overlooked by
employers (because they are not sending an anti-establishment message). People
with tattoos that send a distinct, "I don't care what you think,
I'll do whatever I want", message... don't get overlooked by
perspective employers so much.What I'm saying is... it kinda
depends on the message YOUR tattoo was originally intended to send.I
don't think the mere existence of any tattoo is an automatic dis-qualifier
for most employers... but some are hard to overlook and if it distracts or
bothers the person doing the interview... they have to wonder if it will bother
customers or co-workers as well.Most of the people I know with
tattoos accept this and just blow it off saying, "I wouldn't want to
work for someone who isn't OK with my tattoos anyway".So
they know they have limited their future to positions and bosses who like
tattoos. It may not be "fair", but it's what happens when you make
the decision to wear your attitude on your sleeve. Employers must wonder what
working with you would be like.
I thought about getting one, when I was a kid, till I saw what the tattoo over
time. I saw one that an older guy had on his arm, It bled together to a blob on
his arm. It changed my mind. I think it's like long hair in the 60's,
It 's going to take time to accept. but by that time the tattoo is
going to be more of something that I would petty the people for getting.
The truth of the matter is, Tattoo's have always been associated with
rebellion against the establishment.. and yes that means bad boys. I have
learned that if some one is willing to inflict pain on them selves, I can
promise you they won't hesitate to inflict pain on you. Most people I
meet that had tattoos when they were in their younger, rebellious years, truly
regret it when they get older, You may hate the fact that a tattoo say's
something about you, but the truth is, it does.
When you get a tattoo you are asking to be noticed in some way. Sometimes to
be associated with a group (military, gang, music group, school, etc) or being
associated with an attitude.Men don't get tattoos because they
are pretty. Many men get them so people will think they are tough, or to
associate with a group or movement, or to send a message. You can't send
that message all day and then insist prospective employers not receive that
message. It's right there... you can't turn it off for the interview
or insist the employer ignore it.Young women sometimes get tattoos
because they think tattoos are pretty. But prospective employers may think
that shows poor judgement. And I know when I'm looking for employees
I'm not looking for people who demonstrate poor judgement.Some
women get tattoos to send the message that they are a bad girl, a rebellious
girl, or a tough girl, to get attention, or to show solidarity with their
boyfriend or girlfriends. But you can't instantly turn that message off
when sitting across the desk from an employer or a customer.
Why do you want to get a tattoo in the first place. I see no rhyme or reason
for it. If you don't want to get discriminated for having a tattoo
don't desecrate your body that way. You chose to get the tattoo it has
nothing to do with heredetery or something you were forced to do.
I have been waiting to hear that I as an employer should hire some even if they
have a tattoo. First let me be clear, I will and do hire people that have
tattoo's...discrete and not offensive tattoo's (most cases Hidden).
I will not hire someone that deliberately stains their skin in
distracting ways. I have customers that would not do business me if I had
someone represent my service and product with such markings on their bodies.
Race,religion,age and gender and sexual orientation is obvious, but
tattoo's. Really? When I read this type opinion I know the age of common
sense has left us. Go Head cover you body with tattoo's just don't
expect me to hire you.
I disagree. Get your tattoos in a non-visible location, otherwise you WILL be
judged for them. It just happens, always has always will.
Getting a tattoo is a choice. I don't understand why anybody would get (so
many of) them when they understand that it could affect their job possibilities
negatively. Same thing with piercings. Being required to cover
them up on the job is not discrimination. Private companies have all kinds of
policies that the employee must follow; public employees are no different.
A guy at my work got tattoos along the lenght of his arms, on his and the entire
area where a shirt covers the body. He is an intelligent person with a 4 year
degree and with aspirations to move up in the organization. Given these
aspirations I asked him why he got the tattoos and if he wasn't concerned
they would affect his chances of moving up, (in my mind, they would be a barrier
to upward mobility). He didn't share my views, and didn't seem to
understand why I would hold such a view.
I agree. So many have tattoos, and as time goes on, they will be more accepting.
As long as they aren't racist as mentioned, or plastered all over your
face, what's the big deal?