The mess this rollout has been (in just one month) is only the leading edge of
the storm. Americans, particularly the ones who voted for this, are about to
get a reminder about why we don't let the government get too involved in
our lives. Nobody is talking about the doctor shortage that is coming. Buckle
The Whole country is a Loser if we are forced into the Communist Obama care
plan. We have to get rid of it in order to maintain our Freedom.
Some winners (politicians, profiteers, IT companies, etc.) some losers
(taxpayers, citizens, freedom lovers, etc.)
Lies we were told about ObamaCarePeople won't lose access to
their doctor.People won't lose their current insurance plan.Insurance under ObamaCare is going to be cheaper.On October 1st, the
online website will be up and running.An estimated 500,000 people will
sign up within the first month.Things we weren't told about
ObamaCareMillions of people will still not be covered.Employers reducing their employee's working hours to avoid the insurance
mandate.Insurers canceling a company's insurance plan because it
doesn't meet the mandate.Employers dropping their employee's
insurance plans, due to how the mandate works.The elderly being denied
certain procedures because they are not "cost effective."Things that are going to happen under ObamaCareMillions opting to
take the "fine" instead of buying insurance.Doctor's dropping
out of ObamaCare and going to a direct pay plan instead.It will fail to
reach the required 7 million healthy people signup to make it viable.People having to take two part time jobs (29 hours) because of how it affects
Winners?Everyone in America has to change their insurance...Everyone in America has to pay more for their insurance...I
saw it on the fox news entertainment network as well as drudge.
@SoCalUte - If you think Obama is a communist, why are the private companies the
biggest winners in this new law? Check out the Wall St. Analysis on health
insurance companies, their profits are forecast to increase each and every year.
Also, the ACA is really just Romney Care/Gingrich Care. The Republican's in
the early 90s promoted this plan, I guess they were communists too?
The real crime is to hear people speak of losing substandard coverage that was
still costing them over a thousand bucks a month. This half baked approach
isn't working. We can provide proper health care in a single payer system
to every person in the US more effectively than this.
Sorry all you haters and DN it's not some winners and some losers it's
some losers who were losers in the health insurance market long before the ACA,
and many, many, many winners. Major change does not come easy and
it's the perfect storm for the Obama haters to latch onto the outliers and
try and convince everyone their the rule. This works especially well when all
the screaming is taking place inside the bubble of Utah. BTW all
you naysayers who say this won't work I suggest you get on your computers
quickly and send Paul Ryan an email telling him that privately run health care
exchanges are socialistic and will destroy America, because this is his proposal
The premiums for my small business will increase 30-40%. The coverage will be
better with lower deductibles but my costs will go up no matter the scenario.
I'm happy some people will be helped but in the end we are all giving up
some of our freedom, the government chooses the winners and losers, and wealth
is redistributed. Freedom is our most valuable gift, hate seeing us loose more
One of the beauties of the English language to have different words that mean
the same thing as our language evolves. An example of this is when Obama says
repeatedly: "If you like your current policy, you can keep it. Period!"
Actually means that "If you like your current policy, that's tough.
You'll have to change to a different policy that I choose for you. Everyone
has to do it my way. Period?" And I thought Bill Clinton couldn't be
mcdugall: Please do your homework before spouting off about how this is
"just like Romneycare." In Massachusetts it was actually a bipartisan
plan that was passed (that means that Republicans AND Democrats agreed on it not
just Democrats only). The people of Massachusetts could actually KEEP the health
insurance they had if they wanted to with no penalty. It was instituted to help
insure the poor so they could have health insurance. It was NOT EVERYBODY on the
I hope each of the persons who had supportive comments will read Ms. Edie
Littlefield Sundby's piece ('You Also Can't Keep Your
Doctor') in the Wall Street Journal. This is the by line: "I had great
cancer doctors and health insurance.My plan was cancelled. Now I worry how long
The government is now your doctor! Welcome to Obamafraud.
My pro-profit "Insurance" company just raised my rates, again.I'm now paying more than the 9.5% allowed by law.Get rid of
the crumming leeching for-profit Insurance Companies!I want my
Single-Payer system -- NOW!
@ LDS liberal. Obamacare IS a single payer system. Those who have (or had)
insurance are being forced to pay for those who don't or won't pay.
That's why rates, co-pays and deductibles are exploding for all of us who
had insurance. That's why 60 year old people are being forced to pay for
maternity insurance, etc. You got what you wanted a single payer system. Enjoy!
Universal health care is a religious and moral necessity. However without a
doubt, this version is an economic "train wreck". Organized labor needs
to step up and run a candidate who will straighten out the mess. I am not so
sure if that will be Hillary. Bill appeared to be fiscally responsible. The
current occupant of the White House appears to be like Samson in the Old
Testament and pulling down the pillars of the Temple around him.
"Screening tests such as colonoscopies are also free."And
how many of these screening tests will not be free after you have had them?
Colonoscopy is a good example as currently done by private or employer plans.
Your colonoscopy as preventive medicine is free as long as that is all that is
done. If your Dr. finds polyps and you have them removed and sent for testing
you have just turned that Colonoscopy into an Elective Surgery. If these polyps
are not cancerous after the test results are in you are on the hook for all of
the costs to be applied to your deductible. If they are cancerous after the test
results are in the Ins. will pay for part of the costs and apply the remainder
to your deductible for you to pay. So after paying $4000 for Ins.
the low income worker now has a $4000 bill for a Colonoscopy and could still
lose his house.
"Officials say these consumers aren't getting "canceled" but
"transitioned" or "migrated" to better plans because their
current coverage doesn't meet minimum standards. They won't have to go
uninsured, and some could save a lot if they qualify for the law's tax
credits." Creative spin to tell someone that they did not have
the types of coverage that the Gov't decided they need. And the savings
they see if they qualify for credits could disappear when corporations raise the
cost of their products to pay for the increase in their costs. The money
to cover all of this additional health insurance and mandatory coverage will
come primarily from those who pay taxes. That is "we the people" of the
US. A little research will show that foreign countries who have everyone covered
with Health Insurance pay much higher taxes than we do. Those countries are also
starting to see limits being set on what services may be available for the
elderly based on their age and general health.
The one thing Liberals never seem to understand is that people need jobs not
handouts. And ACA gives small business incentive to downsize and cut salaries.
But that is stuff Obama never knew because he's never run a city, state, or
To all Media Outlets... Do us a favor. Look at your own insurance plans. Compare
them to what you used to have. I'm sure you're all using obama care
now. Show us the difference in your own plans. Coverage vs. Premiums. Put up or
SHUT UP!! Enough trying to sell us a bill of goods. Until then, all you've
done is prove you have no credibility.
IDCBoise, IDThe premiums for my small business will increase 30-40%.
The coverage will be better with lower deductibles but my costs will go up no
matter the scenario. I'm happy some people will be helped but in the end we
are all giving up some of our freedom, the government chooses the winners and
losers, and wealth is redistributed. Freedom is our most valuable gift, hate
seeing us loose more of it.1:05 p.m. Nov. 3, 2013---
Is this rally about "freedom", [speech, press,
religion, privacy, assemble, ect.]or about your wallet?========================= MountanmanHayden, ID@ LDS
liberal. Obamacare IS a single payer system.---No, it
isn't.Canadaians each pay what $100 a month.27% are still
still privatly insured, Meaning they still have the public option.
To "pragmatistferlife" other than those that didn't have insurance
before and are now on taxpayer funded insurance, who are these mythical
winners?To "mcdugall" explain why it is that Romneycare took
2 pages and the ACA took 906 pages? If the ACA is just Romney care what do the
904 extra pages contain? Why is the ACA so much bigger if it is just the same?
Romneycare had actual bipartisan support and is administered at the state
level.Obamacare didn't get a single Republican vote and is federally
administered. Romneycare did exactly what its originator said it
would do.Obamacare is not doing a lot of what its originator said it would
do... and visa versa.Obamacare has over ten times as many
regulations, restrictions and conditions as Romneycare and is much more
complicated.The typical example in the article about retired couples
now paying nearly $400 more a month for their health insurance is truly sad.Even the liberal media newspaper, The Washington Post, recently gave
Obama it's 4-Pinocchio award... it's highest level of deceit judgement
concerning the things he said and continues saying about Obamacare. Those trying to defend Obamacare are truly fighting a losing battle. As bad as
it now seems, the worst is yet to come. There are valid reasons the
administration is so secretive about the numbers associated with Obamacare and
not releasing them. They are not looking good. Otherwise, they would be touting
them from the rooftops.
The business of awarding no bid contracts is going on in every state, especially
Maryland. This was Michelle Obama's friend and so they were given the
contract and all the money that is now no where to be seen. Can you imagine what
is going to happen when we have to go to them to find out if we can have this
operation or that operation? At this point I'm getting really
frightened by the future. My husband has had cancer 11 years ago and is healthy,
but what if he has another occurrence and because of age he is refused
treatment, but is given a pill, as 0bama suggested? So seniors, are you so
happy you believed everything 0bama promised? Anyone with a brain had to see
that you don't add 30 million people to the rolls and not have to increase
the price. And now we find out there will still be millions not covered.
@LDS Liberal:"I want my Single-Payer system -- NOW!"Then move to Canada.@Hutterite:"The real crime is to
hear people speak of losing substandard coverage that was still costing them
over a thousand bucks a month."People should be left alone to
chose their health insurance, and many/most will say the have good insurance
that they like... and doctors they like and wanna keep. That's the
American way. The Barack Hussein Obama and his Democrat friends' way is
for the government to decide what people want and need in healthcare insurance
coverage. And that's just the start of government interference plans he
has up his sleeve."We can provide proper health care in a single
payer system to every person in the US more effectively than this."Not without death panels and other interfering incursions into peoples'
My wife has a preexisting condition, and has been paying over $650 a month for
very minimal coverage under the HIPUtah insurance pool. It's breaking us.
This "pool" is nothing but a state sanctioned monopoly that is
administered by Select Health. I say thank God for the ACA. We finally can
purchase reasonable coverage at a reasonable price. And just so you know, you
don't need the federal web site to select your ACA plan. Just go to your
favorite insurance provider website and make your selection there.
Obama LIED to all of us. That's the bottom line. If he still thinks he
didn't lie, he must admit he is a FRAUD. He has to take responsibility for
what he told us. "If you like your policy, and your doctor keep them."
This is in addition to all other things he had done. Meanwhile, he knew 3 years
ago, that millions will lose their insurance, like what is going on today. CBS
News reported that. Insurance companies cancel these policies because of the new
requirement dictated by Obamacare. If the intent was to make sure people have
access to health insurance, all they had to do was open up the eligibility
categories to Medicare and Medicaid, in addition to getting rid of pre-dondition
requirements. Because He wanted something grand for his legacy, he wanted a new
program attached to his name and have the government and the IRS to enforce it.
Why hasn't he come out and take responsibility for the flaws of the law? It
is not in him to accept any responsibility for anything. Remember the killing of
Bin laden, he claaimed credit for that. In the senate, he voted against it.
Although it is plain to see which direction this columnist is leaning, the words
he writes "Fifty-five percent now say they have enough information to
understand the law's impact on their family, up 8 percentage points in just
one month" are a clear indication our "president" is having the most
difficult time distinguishing between a hole in the ground and .... Well, you
get the picture. "Affordable Healthcare" is a matter of
opinion, but those it impacts have unaccounted opinions. Those who need it
cannot afford it, yet their food benefits are decreased. The law stipulates
government cannot force you to make a purchase for tax purposes. This man is NOT
a president. What he is remains to be seen, but it won't be long now.We can only hope for more columnists to support the public who reads the
articles and is impacted.
The 'only' winners I see from this are those who get FREE health care
or almost free. Those people who get the free stuff are getting the free stuff
because someone else is paying for it...someone is now paying higher premiums -
2 to 3 times higher. It would be like the LDS church telling its members that
many members don't have to pay ANY tithing and others will have to pay 20%
now to carry those that pay nothing. How would that go over? Now we know that
tithing is actually a blessing to pay but you get the point. There has to be
fairness and fairness can ONLY be achieved when EVERYONE has skin in the
game...rich and poor and everyone in between. In a year from now the employer
mandate will kick in and employees are going to get cancellation notices from
their employer or benefit premium increases - BIG INCREASES - to comply with the
Obamacare mandates for minimal requirements as set forth by our bureaucratic
friends in DC. We haven't seen the worst of Obamacare yet - not by a long
shot. The ANGER and FEAR is just starting.
Tea party lost.
re:one voteTea Party lost....lost what exactly? Who won...besides
the freeloaders? Seems to me the vast majority of America lost and is still
losing and will continue to lose as the employer mandate causes even more
cancellation and rate increase notices to be sent out in a year from now. This
isn't about who won and who lost - it should have been ALL AMERICANS win
but that is the exact opposite from what happened isn't it. Yes "if you
like your insurance or your doctor you can keep them ...period" repeated
hundreds of times just to get the bill to pass and to ensure victory in 2012
will go down as perhaps the BIGGEST lie ever told by a president especially
since that lie betrayed the trust of so many and falsely influenced their vote.
For the first time in 5 years ALL news agencies with the exception of MSNBC
(FOX, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, Washington Post , LA Times, NY Times) all agree on
something - that Barack Obama LIED and that lie has HUGE repercussions. So - the
Tea Party sounded the alarm .. even as they did 237 years ago that the enemy was
Some of you want Canadian system. You have to wait 10 to 12 months for your
colonoscopy! The reason I know this is because my brother died of colon cancer.
My sister in law (a Dr) was too old to have a transplant that might have
saved her (60). So happy valley, enjoy what you will be forced to have.
BTW, the next big consequence is the shortage of doctors.
Just a thought! Whose right is it to decide for me what I need, or want? Who
forces me to pay for abortions and birth control for university students?Funny, the Lord doesn't even force!