No one to blame but the Democrats on this one. However these horror stories are
EXACTLY what obama wants to hear. It is all part of the master plan to go to
single payer health care run by the gov. Get ready America.
How do you spell fraud? O b a m a c a r e!
I've been told that my insurance premium will go up AT LEAST 100% at my
work. But it's okay. Who needs groceries or rent money?
I was promised a reduction of up to $2500 in health care premiums. I'm only
seeing horrific increases.My daughter's hours will be reduced
and now that she is 26, she's off my plan and low and behold, she will be
paying about $230 or so a month for a $5000 deductible plan. So
how's your AFFORDABLE Healthcare Act working out for you.Thanks
to the three stooges (Barry, Harry, and Nancy) we are finally figuring out
what's really going on.You libs are absolutely out of your
mind. This is what America wanted?And I can't wait to hear the
weeping and wailing over the $36 food stamp reduction.I currently
have 10 living in my home until my son's home is finished. We've never
spent $668 a month for food (maximum foodstamp allowance) and we have 47 million
families on food stamps?Good grief!
Many accuse conservatives of not offering an alternative to Obamacare. Heritage
Foundation offers an alternative which is fully of common sense.Go
to Heritage Foundation's website to read the details.The
Beltway mentality needs to go. Mike Lee knows that Obamacare is destructive to
America and is in reality unconstitutional (The Supreme Court decision is
illogical and unsubstantiated, a failure on the part of that branch of
government). We need to get the federal government out of our lives as much as
possible, while still maintaining a limited cohesiveness between the states -
protecting our most basic liberties and rights of freedom of conscience, privacy
and of property.Individual responsibility - including our
responsibility to serve our fellow man - needs to be the theme. We need to get
away from big government solutions for individual needs. As Reagan said,
"Government is not the solution, it is the problem."
Has anyone looked into the strong probability that at least some of this is
deliberate sabotage by insurance companies and big corporate employers?
Did anyone notice the hike in premiums before AMA? Did anyone notice that
insurance was worthless or extremely expensive for those with pre-existing
conditions? Do you hear Republicans proposing any better plans? No, because
they really don't care. They only complain if Obama is behind it.Anyhow, it would be nice if this story included reports from people who say
they are saving a lot of money. If this is so, it appears that AMA needs some
fixing, not that it needs to be thrown out, but Republicans aren't
interested in fixing AMA. They just want to destroy it and go back to the old
days. I bet if you you wait a few months and insurance before AMA
to AMA insurance, we will find the old days were much worse.
One huge thing we have learned (many of us knew)is like oil and water the words
Obama and truth do not go together.
OOPs. I meant, ACA.@TOO: ACA should grant you a subsidy, so you
will be able to afford rent and groceries.
@Mikhail: Is this the same Heritage Foundation that supported insurance modeled
after Romney's plan? Why, yes it is! It's now called Obamacare.
This is insurance company sabotage. It's why insurance companies
shouldn't be involved in health care at all.
The march of the naive continue. You have no one to blame but yourselves. it
won't do any good to say that if you think that your democratic and
republican reps didn't plan and know this, your nativity and delusion are
And so ... the disaster that is called ObamaCare continues.
This is what happens when "Big Government" decides it knows best how to
run things.For heaven's sake, they can't even set up a
website and make it run properly and we expect them to manage the health care
Let's turn to a great philosopher for sage advice on ObamaCare."Stupid is as stupid does." Forrest Gump
"It will save families $2500 dollars, you can keep your insurance plan and
your doctor, it will bend the cost curve down, signing up will be as easy as
shopping online, etc" In retail that is called bait and switch. We deserve
better from our president.
screwing the middle class is not a good formula for reelection... bait and
switch is illegal unless you are a politician
One Old Man & Hutterite,Nice conspiracy theory. On the
contrary, insurance companies will be reaping windfall profits. They love this
law called Obamacare. As I speak with insurance reps they report that the
insurance industry will be strengthened by this.Can you say
"Insurance Lobbyist access to the White House"?Mr Smitty,
Keep dreaming. The good old days are gone under Obamacare. We will
speak longingly of those days.
C'mon, One old Man and Hutterite, admit that Obamacare is a flop. Trying
to deflect blame onto the insurance companies is a smoke screen for those
unwilling to accept reality. Don't you remember the infamous remark by
Nancy that they "had to pass the law to find out what was in the law?"
And this is a law that a vast majority of Americans DID NOT WANT! They
weren't even smart enough to phase it in, 10 states at a time---no, they
tried the entire country at the stroke of midnight and we see how well that
worked.This train wreck has to be buried; the sooner the better.
Why would I be very much surprised to see Lee and others in Washington hold a
press conference and weep at how fortunate they are to not be subject to
Obamacare? They should gloat a little about how the Democrats have stuck it to
everyone except the US Congress and how grateful they personally are about it.
Then they should publicly ask for Nancy and Harry to hold a press conference and
address how much better off they are WITHOUT Obamacare.I tell you,
it would be absolutely hilarious watching Mr. Reid squirm. He'd likely say
that it was all Bush's fault and that Mitt hadn't paid any taxes. We
know the drill all too well.
Our family's Aetna medical insurance plan through my wife's work at
Citi went up 133 percent! I guess that is how we help pay subsidies for those
who pay less, just another sideways tax increase!So, we switched to
another insurance plan that only costs us 50% more, Happy Days!
Nice try!!!The insurance companies aren't kicking people out.
It's the Law! Their policies are too cheap so they force people to get
more expensive ones.. Can't blame anyone but the Socialists in this
country for third debacle.
Blaming the GOP for this failure is very funny! This is what happens when you
have a law that is the single most partisan law ever " deemed" passed.
Do you expect Republicans to go out and get all warm and fuzzy about this "
Sham" when not one single one of them voted for it!
There will be significantly more winners than losers under ACA. Many people
with cheap policies thought they had insurance coverage which would save them
from bankruptcy due to medical issues, but the reality was they were paying
money for junk. Wendell Potter, former health insurance executive (Cigna?) saw
his own company selling more and more of these junk policies which prompted him
to quit his job and become an advocate for ACA.
Before you all hyperventilate I suggest you google "facts about Obamacare
premiums." I suggest you do it also, Deseret News. What you will find will
not exonerate Obamacare, but the consequences aren't as dire as portrayed
in this article. It will clear the air considerably. In this space I
couldn't begin go summarize what I found.
And what does the Griffin's plan cost when subsidies are included? You
know, leaving out details like that is just faulty journalism, just like
Hannity's special where it was failed to be noted that the guy on his show
who cut hours to his employees is exempt from any business mandate because he
has 4 employees not 50 or that a cheaper plan could be found on the exchanges
for the other two families than what they had.
How much more will Americans take before they take real action against the
powers that be? The complaining/whining isn't accomplishing what needs to
For instance, when my mom was searching for health insurance on the exchanges
she was seeing the lowest silver plan costing around 400 a month in premiums, a
125% increase compared to her current plan. However, once she finally figured
out how the subisides would work (which is incredibly not helpfully explained on
the site), it'd come out to around 125 a month, a 30% decrease in premium
costs to her compared to her current plan.
Marxist is exactly right and every one knew this little kerfuffle was coming
because there were millions who had junk insurance plans that wouldn't
qualify. The provision that disallows cancellation for pre-existing conditions
would alone increase the price of this junk. I you pay attention
almost to a story the people admit they think they are healthy and are betting
on staying that way, so they buy the junk. That works fine until it
doesn't. Accidents and disease don't give you a year notice and when
they come now your sunk, and we as a society are stuck with your arrogance and
bills. Let me hear some stories DN about people over the last
decade who have made this bet and lost and the consequences. If you want give
me a call and I'll give you a few names to start with.
One of my medications was $150/month. On January 1st this medication went up to
$780/month - in preparation for Obamacare, I was told. My co-pay for this
medication went from $30/month to $167/month. I was taking 3 very expensive
medications, so this had a major impact on my expenses. No, this was not the
doing of my insurance company, but the pharmaceutical companies were preparing
for Obamacare. Lovely!
Isn't this what the gop had been warning us of Obamacare? but nobody listen
because the democrats are the smartest.We were told
Obama-Don'tCare was intended to cover the 30 million who don't have
health insurance. Does it make any sense to overhaul the whole industry just to
cover the other 10%?
"If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health
care plan."Obama told this lie over and over again. He knew all
along that it wasn't true.Another lie being told is that the
administration doesn't know how many have signed up. Do you think for a
minute that, if there had been high numbers of enrollment, we would not have
heard about it incessantly?The real truth is that, though many have
visited the site, very few have signed up. The prices are too high.Health insurance is now affordable only for those who aren't paying the
It is interesting because I mentioned to my wife when all this obamacare started
that once it went into affect, insurnace companies would start cancelling
policies and coverage.
I wonder if Obama voters who lose their insurance will continue to buy his lies?
Sure, if you like your doctor or nsurance plan you can keep them. That falsehood
says it all.....the goal is a single payer plan from the feds.
You'd have to be blind, deaf, dumb and stupid to actually believe that
Obamacare, a 'mere' 2,700 page law that even the (at the time) Speaker
of the House admitted she didn't know what's in it (Nancy Pelosi,
quote: "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill.")
is a good idea.
Too bad all you people who voted for you know who. We tried to tell that he is
the best liar in decades almost as good as Johnson, well maybe better.
It's funny to see some Democrats attack this article. This article was
written by the AP! For the AP to print an article about this says A LOT about
Obamacare. They were (and I'm positive they really still are) a big
advocate.There are two possible scenarios.1) We now know why
Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass it to find out what's in it. They knew
what was in it and were afraid that people would find out and therefore not vote
for it. Rather, they bribed enough Democrats to vote for it before people looked
too much into it.or2) They really didn't know what
was in it and thought the best idea was to force a huge bill down our throats
without knowing what it was.Bottom line is that either they are
intentionally trying to destroy America as we know it, or else they are just
The REAL truth of Obamacare (go look it up yourself):- Americans are
being 'gifted' a health care plan we are forced to purchase-
We'll be fined if we don't buy it- It will cover at least 10
million more people with NO additional doctors- Requires an additional
16,000 new IRS agents to collect the fines- It was written by a committe
whose chairman admits he doesn't understand it- It was passed by a
Congress that didn't read it- But yet Congress exempted themselves
from it- It was signed into law by a President who smoked- The
funding will be overseen by a Treasury secretary who did not pay his taxes- Will cause us to be taxed for 4 years before any real provisions/changes
kick in- It will be administered by a government which bankrupted Social
Security and Medicare- All to be overseen by a Surgeon General who is
obese- And it will be financed by a country that is $17 trillion in
debtSo what could possibly go wrong?This is all
verifiably true and I would love to hear from any liberal who wants to refute
these facts with clear, objectivity themselves.Good luck....
Once people understand this debacle, Mike Lee will become increasingly more
popular. I am proud to have Mike Lee as my senator. Orrin Hatch, not so much!
Smitty, The reason you didn't hear about it before is that it
wasn't that terrible. It wasn't perfect, and there are some things
that still need to be addressed. However, this plan is so terrible that
it's made things infinitely worse. You don't hear conservatives
offering suggestions because it takes all our energy just to keep the dems from
making things even worse than they already have.
"Some states, including Virginia and Kentucky, required insurers to cancel
old policies and start from scratch instead of beefing up existing ones."And there is the rub....it is up to the states how the insurance
providers deal with the changes. But boy is it so much funner to blame
everything on the federal government. ACA provides guidelines, how they are
enacted at the state level is up to the states.
We keep being told that costs will go down for some people because they will be
getting "subsidies" to help pay for their insurance Plus lots of people
are actually being signed up for Medicaid, not buying insurance.Exactly where is the money going to come from to PAY for all these
"subsidies" and new Medicaid entitlements? Hint- it's
not unicorns bringing baskets of gold, it is increased taxes on the people who
are already working, paying taxes, and about to pay through the nose for higher
insurance costs for themselves. Or, maybe we will just borrow the money from the
Chinese, and never have to worry about paying it back, like the other $17
trillion we owe.Obamacare delivers no new health care providers or
clinics, only mandates everyone buy bad policies which will make people hate
Obamacare so much that the low information voters will clamor for "FREE
Healthcare!" under a socialized single payer government run system.How will that work out- ask the Vets who have to depend on the VA< or the
Native Americans who depend on federal health care.Obamacare is
enough to make anyone sick!
What angers me about Obamacare:The fact Democrat leaders at the
national level hardly had a clue what the stupid bill even was, and I quote the
ONE person who by virtue of their position (the very top member of Congress, the
Speaker of the House at the time) should have known:Nancy Pelosi:
"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill." Gooogle it yourself.You simply can't make that up.
Good grief!, that's the stuff of 30-minute sit-coms with canned laugh
tracks; something Gilligan would say to the Skipper as the Professor rolled his
eyes in pain. But this isn't Gilligan's Island, people, this is real
life!They didn't really read it! They didn't REALLY
understand it! The only ones who did were conservatives who then started
screaming bloody murder over how bad it was. And, they're being proven
right!Second, if it's so incredibly awesome, then why does
Congress and the President get to exempt themselves OUT of it?Third,
who's going to pay for it? How?Fourth, it limits freedom
through fines for doing nothing!Obamacare = immorality in action.
Millions? Prove it.Everything I've been hearing about this
issue is that 1) it's caused by the insurance companies, bailing on plans
that will be illegal under the ACA and 2) it's overblown, because most of
the affected are eligible for better plans at the same price.The
people who will actually be affected are those who make enough money so that
they won't qualify for subsidies. They will be forced by the insurance
companies to divorce their lousy cheap policies and buy a real policy, which
will only cost more because they don't qualify for subsidies. On the order
of 3-4 percent of the American population, max, which does work out to several
million people. Many, if not most, of whom will qualify for subsidies.ACA will reduce the future tax burdens to fund medical programs like Medicare
and Medicaid. I am very thankful to live in the era of the ACA. Before the ACA,
the insurance companies were permitted to take premium money and never deliver
services, ala "pre-existing conditions" discovered long after premiums
were paid. Those days are over forever. Thanks, President Obama!
@One Old Man and Hutterite"Has anyone looked into the strong
probability that at least some of this is deliberate sabotage by insurance
companies and big corporate employers?"I went to the new
healthcare website to compare costs. If I were to sign up for insurance through
the exchange, it would cost me exactly double what I pay now. It is a bad deal.
There's one thing all Americans can do. Vote all incumbents out of office,
period. Of course, all Americans will expect everyone else to do that, but they
will want to keep their own. And that's what is wrong. Americans have a
voice with their vote and refuse to use it. We have what we voted for. I
cannot believe the few posters on this article who still to this day believe
that Obamacare is doing the right thing for America. They blame the insurance
companies now. If that were true, all it would take is one company to offer at
a rate of the past, and every American would flock to that company. Why
wouldn't they want to do that? Well, the answer is simply that they cannot
afford Obamacare at the old rate. We call that Free Enterprise. Obama wants
Socialism. Wake up America.
Atl @ 1:01: But who is paying the subsidy? The money to cover that subsidy is
coming from somewhere. Contrary to popular opinion, the money doesn't just
magically appear in the national coffers.There are only two sources:
1) the money will be borrowed (which is completely ludicrous -- when are we
going to figure out that we cannot continue such largesse on borrowed money?);
2) from tax revenues (and please don't tell me that the ultra rich are
picking up the tab unless we have suddenly decided to confiscate the entirety of
their wealth -- and we consider anyone who makes more than $50K and owns their
home as ultra wealthy).Thanks for playing, bud. Subsidy or no, the
ACA will benefit very few.
I'm still confused on how forcing Americans to have health insurance is
constitutional. Someone above talked about how people bought high deductible
"junk" insurance because they were basically healthy. But, oh no...we
can't allow people to make decisions about their own health, we have to
force them to be covered. Washington, Jefferson, and Madison have to be shaking
their heads right now. Seriously? I would like a Dem/liberal to explain to me
how ACA is constitutional. Where does the constitution provide government with
the authority to tell me how to manage my own health?Look, I
understand universal healthcare, even if I don't agree with it. Government
providing for my healthcare with increased taxes is bad enough. But this is
government forcing me to pay higher premiums and deductibles for what it
considers appropriate insurance completely disregarding my right to choose what
I feel is best for my circumstances. As others have said, gov funded universal
HC may be what the Libs want the end game to be. Democratic Party just needs to
change their name already...follow the French and call yourselves what you are:
the Socialist Party.
Don't reelect anybody!
My health insurance premiums and deductibles have been increasing every year for
the past 15 years, sometimes double-digit increases each year, and including
years way before ObamaCare/RomneyCare. Every other developed country in the
world except us covers nearly all of its citizens with basic health care for far
less cost than what we are currently paying for this mess here in the U.S., so
until some Republican shows me how he can cover everyone more cheaply than that,
I suppose I'll stick with the "Socialist" Dems who are at least
trying to put something useful in place. Many of the "extra" costs of
ObamaCare are from forcing insurance companies to actually provide the care they
formerly just pretended to cover anyway (used to be cheaper for them to just
kick you out if you had the nerve to actually get sick). Better to include the
true costs of a genuine system & work out the kinks from there.
Obama could hit people in the face, and tell them he didn't do it.Crazy that some would believe him! Obama can do no wrong.
The real problem is all of those people that voted for Obama so they could get
their free stuff are once again going to get their free stuff. Free health care
and you and I that actually have jobs will be paying for it on their behalf.
It wasn't the middle class that voted for Obama. He can
continue to stick it to us and the freeloaders will keep voting for him and his
cronies.When there are more people freeloading than working, we are
headed for disaster.
Yep, our insurance plan type of 30 years is gone. Rather then pay the penalty
for providing good insurance they got rid of it. Now instead of a $25 copay and
no deductible we have a $5,000 one. We paid a lot monthly and Jan 1 we use to
pay $25 now we have to cough up $10,000 per year family deductible
What a lovely bunch of people in the photo. leftover hippies, pot smokers and
And yet the ACA has gotten more popular in polling the last month. Turns out
those who actually get through the website seem to like it (or they're in
the states where the state-run ACA exchanges are running more smoothly).
Here's just another scandal that comes out of the WH... Signing this
disaster into law, law that makes THE FREE into slaves of big gvnmt. And nce
again BO says he was not aware, but he carries the responsibility.The fact
IS and remains, that the US needs a new comprehensive Health Care Plan, BUT
first they have to change the system to affordable - and that begins by getting
politicians, lawyers, insurance (such as liability), corporations out of the
business of maximizing profits from people's health (the old system was/is
the most expensive per capita in the world - even with millions w/o insurance).
That is where this should have neen started and NOT by putting this on
individual people first! Obama, with a stroke of a pen, made YOU accountable but
not FREE! Accountable for what? For paying for all the bureaucratic costly
mistakes just because America needs a plan - but not this plan!
And again, the conservatives are the least informed people in the discussion.
A legacy is born: "No matter how we reform health care, we will
keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be
able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll
be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no
matter what."He said this repeatedly and now we know that he
knew he was lying when he said it. Now that we know with absolute certainty that
this man is a very skilled liar, I can't imagine anybody believing anything
he has to say. Even his supporters have to admit this man is a liar.
Honestly, what will it take for some liberals to wake up and see what is
happening to our country and our great citizens? Entitlements got this man
re-elected. Wanting something for nothing is not the way free enterprise works.
We now have more people on welfare than in the work force. And,
folks, this ACA was meant to fail so the POTUS can go to the single payer.
That's a quaint way of saying, governmental-socialized medicine. No choice!
Government decides it all. See how that has worked in European countries.
Unbelievable that we stand by and watch this happen.Which brings me
back to supporting Senator Mike Lee who fearlessly stands against Obamacare and
other governmental takeovers. God Bless America!
This is a serious situation that left wing Democrats appear to be applauding. It
is called "the great leavening". Joe Manchin makes sense and appears to
be in the mold of Hubert Humphrey. Now, hold both up to the light and look for
the "watermark". Manchin has one that reads JFK. The current leader
doesn't have one.
I went through the same scenario with an elderly co-worker who was so upset by
his rising cost. After sitting down with him two things became apparent, his old
policy had many loop-holds and limits of coverage and second his insurance
company had other plans available to him at comparable prices they they did not
disclose. This whole thing is nothing more than attempts of sabotage by
insurance companies and bad journalism. I think it is apparent that many of
these so called troubled policy holders have just not gotten good information or
have been hood-winked by the media and their insurance companies.
Why does the DesNews publish articles like this, and then continue to throw Mike
Lee--one of the few politicians in the state willing to actively fight
Obamacare--under the bus??
This sort of thing is the natural result of 90% of the national press being the
de facto propaganda arm of one political party. Not only do the Dems believe
they can act with impunity, they evidently believe they can will things into
reality merely by lying about them. After all, who's there to call them on
it? The media cocoon has limits, however, and the Dems went a little too far
I am not defending obamacare but I went to healthcare.gov and filled out some
information and it said for my three person family it would be 665 a month with
a $1500 deductible. My employer contributes $5.50 an hour for my insurance for
my family, which comes out to be over $800 a month. So in comparison the
obamacare is cheaper(this is without subsides) but then again I do not pay for
I love the latest liberal talking points: "Your insurance was junk anyway,
and you didn't really like it even if you think you did" and "It
will be much better when you are forced to give up your insurance, find new
doctors, and fill out reams of paperwork (assuming the website is even working)
in order to ask the government to help make up the shortfall".The condescension of the Democrat Party towards the average American knows no
bounds. Modern-day Marie Antoinettes.In the meantime, in the coming
weeks I will enjoy watching swing state Democrat senators desperately try to
distance themselves from the slow-motion trainwreck which will likely produce
Republican control of the Senate in 2014.
I think everyone here who is making a "political football" out of the
Affordable Care Act needs to step back a second and realize what has actally
occurred here.....To read the comments, one would believe that the Democrats
forced this down the throats of the Republicans. We all should know by now
(remember the shutdown?), however, that without a lot of Republican support, the
bill could not have passed...If memory serves me correctly, this was a swap
out...The Demos agreed to extend the Bush tax cuts, and in exchange, the Pubs
agreed to allow the Affordable Care Act to pass.I would like to add
a personal opinion....The number of people in this nation who have no health
insurance is a national disgrace....
This is why we should go to medicare for all and eliminate the profit taking
from the insurance companies.
This is strange. I just completed my annual open enrollment, and my insurance
premiums are identical to last year's premiums. In fact, they haven't
changed much over the past five years. I guess that's what happens when you
work for an organization that negotiates with it's employees every year
about what benefits we should get. Imagine that--something good can happen when
both sides listen to each other.
A guy with a brain-- I don't know about all of those, but Congress DID NOT
Well, did anyone learn anything? Something like let's READ it before we
sign it into law, pelosi?Life's hard and it is harder when
you're stupid.Nice wake up call! I would be lying if I said I
didn't somewhat enjoy all the chaos. Popcorn anyone?
Single payer healthcare is NOT government run healthcare any more that Medicare
is. It is much more efficient , has a 5% administration cost, unlike the 15-30%
of 3rd party administrators (Blue Cross, etc.) and yes, I have it (Medicare) and
I see any doctor I want. It's not free….but it's not expensive.
Do some research……stop listening to the right wing
rhetoric…..the Dems should have never given in to the profit mongering
members of Congress who din't care about health care for all of us but more
about which health insurance company was going to give them their next
contribution to their constant campaign.
One old man said"Has anyone looked into the strong probability that at
least some of this is deliberate sabotage by insurance companies and big
corporate employers?" Just go to youtube and look up Anderson Cooper of CNN
whose recent report states that the Obama administration is pressuring the
insurance industry to keep quiet on what they knew about these mass
cancellations going out. This was Obama's doing. They were warned not to
include this in the final law and they did. The only one who can be blamed for
this is Obama himself.
To add to my previous comment, I found out that the Republican Party in 2010
proposed a bill to strip that provision that forces Insurance Companies to drop
coverages from the ACA, but it never got considered. Republican John Kyle
proposed legislation that would allow people to shop for healthcare across state
lines, and Paul Ryan had a bill that would allow the the private sector access
to the plans offered to Congress and the President. These were alternatives to
Obamacare which never got considered. Now we have a Republican Senator who now
has a bill titled "If you like your plan you can keep it" that he is
trying to get passed. It sounds to me that the only people who want to fix this
mess are Republicans.
"The Griffins, who live near Philadelphia, pay $770 monthly for their
soon-to-be-terminated health care plan with a $2,500 deductible. The cheapest
plan they found on their state insurance exchange was a so-called bronze plan
charging a $1,275 monthly premium with deductibles totaling $12,700. "This just doesn't pass the smell test. The published
median/average ACA rates for PA are nowhere near this high. But, if the
rates are actually this high for this couple could it be related to income level
(more affluent), age (Mr. Griffen is 64--eligible for Medicare soon)? Smokers?
This is likely Obama's "Waterloo". Arrogance and incompetence
brought this on.
Re:MorganhBuying insurance across state lines?What a nightmare
for providers--Drs, etc to not only have to try and get payment from in-state
providers, but to then have to deal with various plans in various other states?
However, Interestingly, the health care law allows sales of
insurance across state lines, but it happens only if insurers adhere to stricter
regulation.According to the Urban Institute, a think tank focusing
on poverty and social issues, the law "requires all states to comply with a
minimum level of insurance regulation, and cross state sales would not be
permitted in a state unless that state affirmatively joined a compact with one
or more other states.It is unclear how many states will choose to
set up such compacts."(Politifact)The ACA allows states to
devise their own universal coverage plans-- why aren't conservative states
moving forward on their own?
Wisconsin Moderate: The problem with medicare is that it also eliminates profit
for hospitals & physicians. My wife is in private practice.
She requires $800 to break even for the service she provides. Medicare
reimburses $650. She could not stay in business if she relied solely on
Medicare reimbursements. In fact, part of the AMA is a 32% cut in the Medicare
reimbursement rate -- a devise needed to help pay for other portions of the law.
Congress deferred that cut last January but it is scheduled to occur 1 January
2014 unless it is deferred again. If the cut happens, my wife will no longer
see Medicare patients at all. She simply cannot afford to lose that kind of
money and still stay in business.
The politicians deserve no more than we are able to get. For some reason they
think their lives and families are more valuable...I'm ashamed of these
people who supposedly are representing us..they don't know the definition
of truth and they have no compassion for the American people. No confidence or
trust coming from this citizen.
How long before these premium rates goes up?
Truthseeker?What doesn't pass the smell test seems to be every
word out of the president's mouth. I realize you think anything
he says is gospel, and anyone who points out the fallacies and lies is a bigot,
but maybe it is you who needs to look at facts instead of just pondering the
Mitt Romney would have won the presidency had the mainstream media exposed all
the lies Obama told to sell Obamacare. Mitt Romney was on Meet the Press today
he expressed outrage at Obama's dishonesty related Obama's statements
saying your would be able to keep your plan. We had a fraudulent campaign where
Obama lied continually about Romney now we know he also lied about Obamacare. It
is amazing because this president should have enough "pinochios" to go
coast to coast.
And the sheep jump on the bandwagon and blame this on Obama. No matter what
good our president does, the haters refuse to get out of their bubble. The ACA
won't even start until January and you've already torn it up and spit
it out. If your heroes Bush and Reagon had signed for the Affordable Care Act,
I believe you'd be singing their praises.
"government subsidy" is government-speak for the forcible extraction of
money from all of our (that is the employed) wallets. And covering
mental-health (i.e. psycotherapists and psychologists) is the support of
Welcome to socialism.
The marketplace takes care of the final outcome. Insurance companies that cancel
policies or ask for unrealistic increases lose customers and they will be forced
to adjust. Most of the negative crap here is from people who haven't
actually shopped for rates. I now have starting in January 12% lower premiums
and lower co-pays and deductibles as well for the exact same coverage. Thanks to
the AFA. All of this vitriol from you Utah sheeple is too transparent. Do
yourself a favor and shop, don't vent your hatred for Obama.
The root problem here has been long forgotten by most who were aware of it, and
never remotely understood by most. It is a departure from basic principles of
personal responsibility and accountability. When we took that responsibility
and held providers accountable for the costs, health care costs were controlled
and essentially everyone could afford good health care. In the late 60's
(when gasoline was 30 cents per gallon), a 24-hour hospital stay in SLC cost
less than $100. A few years ago when gasoline hit about 14 times that 60's
price, we were all screaming, "we cannot afford this!". In the
meantime, a 24-hospital stay went to 100 times that earlier level with hardly a
mention. Why? Because our employer was paying the insurance premiums and
insurance was paying the bill.So now our brilliant politicians and
bureaucrats think the solution is a bureaucratic monstrosity that has health
care costs continuing to skyrocket while billions of $ are spent on paperwork,
regulations, bureaucratic red tape and fraud. Many platitudes, thousands of
words, billions of $ and absolutely no common sense.
Reports this morning are that approximately 5% of people will wind up having to
change plans. Why? Because the plans they've been paying for in the past
are worthless junk.Now, under ACA, they will finally have plans that
are worth something.Remember that favorite Republican Conservative
mantra, "Personal Responsibility?"ACA requires people to
live up to it and the people who have chanted it for years are suddenly having
fits.It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
@one old man"Reports this morning are that . . . " And what are those reports and who is doing the reporting? So, you
think that the politicians should be dictating to us what is "worthless
junk", and forcing us to purchase what they dictate? Yes, I believe in
"personal responsibility". I do NOT think that politicians should be
making the decision of what I should be purchasing--that is not "personal
responsibility"--that is socialism, and I want no part of it.Yes, it is tragic that we have moved so far from personal responsibility in
our health care system (see my earlier post) and it is equally tragic that so
many people think that we are "behind the times" because we do not have
the socialistic policies that are causing people in European countries to riot
in the streets because their governments can no longer provide the
"free" services that they have come to expect and demand.If
you are truly an "old man", you should know that what made America the
greatest country in the world was exactly the opposite of socialism--it was
freedom, personal responsibility and accountability.
Mike Lee has some validity but just didn't go directly at the jugular vein
of the problem. He was using the federal budget as a hostage to force the
play. The budget is a problem but OBAMACARE is not going to make it nor social
security any better. Congress leadership was in cahoots with the PRESIDENT over
this issue. The Congress and Executive branch both acted irresponsible but the
electorate chose this PRESIDENT and Democratic members of Congress the last
election. Many of those voters just didn't want to have tea party people
to get elected again so voted for anyone that was a Democrat. UNIONS and government personnel may be exempt from ACA and those people will
continue to vote for the party that gave them this exemption. This President
will twist anything to get his way. Community organizers know through their
non-tax status how to get around the law and deductions.
So, some of you seem to be saying that if I shop around and buy and insurance
policy that fits my needs (as I see them) and my budget, that I just didn't
know I had a "junk" policy. The government knows better than I do what I
want and need and they will make sure I get what they think I need, despite what
I think and despite what I want to pay. Well, how comfortable I feel
that such smart people are taking such good care of me. NOT!!!!
"To read the comments, one would believe that the Democrats forced this down
the throats of the Republicans. We all should know by now (remember the
shutdown?), however, that without a lot of Republican support, the bill could
not have passed."gehelmke,I hate to bring you to
reality, but not a single Republican voted for the bill. That by definition is
"without a lot of Republican support". And if that is not forcing down
people's throats, then I don't know what is. Keep in mind that Obama
still had to bribe some Democrats in the first place to even get enough
Democratic support. The people didn't want it, we can't afford it, and
Obama and his henchmen LIED about it numerous times ("You can keep your
doctor/insurance", "it is NOT a tax", "you'll save
$2500", etc.).And then there's Pelosi's infamous
"We have to pass it to find out what's in it" comment. That comment
alone should be a red flag. Either they are very stupid, or they new the details
of the bill and wanted it passed in a hurry before anybody actually read it and
JWB, there are no exemptions for unions or government employees in the ACA. I
don't care what Sean Hannity says, he's wrong. "So,
you think that the politicians should be dictating to us what is "worthless
junk""Uh. . . Yes Utah Businessman. Yes the government
should be dictating what is worthless junk. See, the insurance companies were
basically running a scam with these policies, they would collect money but do
everything they could to not payout. After people were hospitalized and then had
their policies cancelled because of an unknown preexisting condition, or caps,
or not filling out the forms exactly right, so the insurance companies would not
pay and people were stuck with thousands in bills. Yeah, the insurance companies
were running a scam on these things, and yeah, the government has a
responsibility to stop scams. And you guys really have to get off
this personal responsibility kick, this has nothing to do with personal
responsibility. Or if you think it does, then I'm sure you
would be fine with your child dying because you don't have the hundreds of
thousands of dollars to pay for a life saving operation, such as a lung
Well if the price of health care is too high, maybe they should sign up for
Obamacare. The President said his plan would be less expensive. Or
did I miss something.....?????
Every single Democrat in the Senate voted to keep the special exemption from
Obamacare for Congress and its staff. Google it.
@ DN NewsbSubsciber, Tators, Mountman, toosmartforyou, (Hysterical!) Sammyg
& many brainless others.....Wow! How insightful you all are! Let me ask a
question or two if I may stemming from my liberal education. How does ANYONE
know exactly that "Obamacare" (or The ACA as informed non partisan
individuals call it) will be a complete failure when it has not even been fully
implemented? Ever read the Dr Seuss book Green Eggs and Ham? The similarity is
hysterically amusing. All you misinformed, unintellectual tea partiers continue
to divide instead of uniting! Our President could announce a cure for cancer
tomorrow @ 3 p.m. and the only thing coming from all of your mouths would
be..."Well, why not sooner?" Did not Romney introduce a very similar
plan in Massachusetts? The answer is yes! Just because Hannity and Limbaugh both
state their unintelligent opinion it's therefore gospel? Think for
yourselves! Obtain quality information prior to making any one sided political
opinions. I did. That's why I will finally be able to schedule much needed
back surgery this January due to the fact that myself & many like me will no
longer have their illnesses labled as a "pre existing conditions" Thank
you Mr President!
@ J-TX....(Hysterical you happened to be from Texas) Really? That's amazing
because what you're saying is against the law! Google it!
@ atl134 - Salt Lake City, UT - "And yet the ACA has gotten more popular in
polling the last month. Turns out those who actually get through the website
seem to like it (or they're in the states where the state-run ACA exchanges
are running more smoothly)."Prove it.Polls, dates,
polling companies (objective ones....not CNN, NBC, etc), dates, numbers, samples
sizes and populations, etc....you know, those little things called
"facts".Everything I've read, yes, even in the
'mainstream' media is reporting just the opposite.
There is absolutely no special exemption from the ACA, and there never has been,
for Congress or their staff. Yes, google it. But make sure you avoid sites that
don't know what they are talking about. Again, the
conservatives show they are the least informed people in the discussion.
I have 15 employees in my company covered by health insurance (have covered them
for the past 17 years). Our renewal was November 1st. Our historically stable
rates went up 20% OR we had to increase our deductibles 100%, plus 50% increase
in copay&, drugs, etc. to keep the same rate. OBAMACARE is making it nearly
impossible to continue to offer benefits to my employees. Plus the insurance
company said they would discontinue our plan next year.
Everyone should contact their Senators and Congressman and tell them strongly -
Repeal this totally Un-American Debacle known as Obama Care! It's
UN-Constitutional and so Wrong!Obama Care is just the beginning for
the start of a huge Money Grab Campaign by Obama and his henchman. The 16,000
New IRS agents is just the start - They want to know where the money is and who
has it cause they are gonna grab it. The Tax Grabbers - (ALL Government Workers)
need to be funded for their - High Salaries , Vacations , Retirements , More
Holidays and of course all them Benefits)Ron Paul had an awesome
plan - 12 pages - No pre-existing conditions - no dollar caps - and if a person
wanted to seek alternative all natural cancer treatment - insurance would pay.
He also wanted to stress heal thy self with - exercise , diet , healthy foods ,
instead of the pill pushing Big Pharma controlled medical health we now have.This bill has to be repealed or it's the end of Freedom in the US
I have grandchildren (twins) who were born more than 3 months early and have a
host of lingering medical challenges. After 2 years of paying over half their
income to medical bills and insurance premiums, and then another 2 years of
paying almost half their income to the same, you would think that they would be
the people the ACA would help. Well to the rest of us we can take
great comfort in knowing that the extra $5000+ we will each be paying next year
will save them about $800 next year. Where are all the other tens of thousands
of dollars going? Ask the democrats.What a great program, for those
who make their living selling insurance, and those who get to use the money to