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Published: Monday, Oct. 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"He says he is against Obamacare but do you hear anything from him on how to change things?"

Uh, you do realize that your quote is also applicable to the guy you are praising, right?

Repealing or defunding the ACA with no replacement IS "kicking the can farther down the road and hope that everything will be OK."

The GOP would rather vote 40 times (with no chance of success) than to write replacement legislation. Why is that?

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Wow. Three letters in one day extolling Mike Lee, and none on the other side. I guess we know where the Deseret News stands. One wonders whether the DNews is owned by Fox News. Fair and balanced, indeed.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

It's obvious that many people in Utah are upset with Senator Hatch, especially when Senator Hatch tells us that Mike Lee needs to be "rehabilitated".

Senator Hatch is a disgrace to Utah. When the battle was on, he could not be found. He would not defend his oath of office which requires him to defend the Constitution. He cowered when Mike Lee and others stood up for the principles that govern this nation. Senator Hatch should be ashamed of himself. He should apologise to Utah for shirking his duty. He voted to kick the can down the road. He did nothing to pay the debt. He did nothing to remove ObamaCare, as he promised he would do in his campaign speeches. He showed us that he will duck for cover when the fight is on. Shame on him. Shame on his prideful attitude.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Republicans, you built the Tea Party monster in your own astroturf-covered and FOX-fueled mad scientist's lab and the monster you created is, like all monsters, now turning its rage on you. It's in the monster's nature to destroy its creators. It's just what monsters do.

Monsters don't know how to build anything, they only know how to wreck things.

You built it - you own it - it's yours to get under control.

And if you don't, then brace yourselves for decades of shrinking political relevancy.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mr Richards,

Yes or no question

Do you feel that the debt ceiling debate is the proper venue to change existing laws?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

"Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, have awakened the slumbering American public"

You got that right. They have shown that some folks are dangerous. That they are ok with destroying the economy for the sake of "saving" us. That they believe in rule by the minority.

Yep. We are all wide awake now.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Joe Blow,

ObamaCare is a tax. The Court told us that it is a tax. Nothing that the President says about it not being a tax can be believed. You know that it is a tax. I know that it is a tax. The House has the responsibility to levy taxes. It also has the right to remove taxes from us. "Existing law" has nothing to do with the authority of the House. The House has all legislative authority to tax us or to not tax us. The House must opporate within the limits placed on it by the people. It can tax us for 17 duties and only for those 17 duties that are enumerated in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution.

The House can remove ObamaCare because ObamaCare is a tax. Do you deny that?

The "ceiling debate" was a diversion. The Senate could have passed the budget that eliminated the ObamaCare tax. The President could have signed that bill. There would have been no phony shutdown and there would have been no phony "cry for help" about the debt ceiling. Do you deny that?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Mike Richards,

"The House has all legislative authority to tax us or to not tax us."

"The House can remove ObamaCare because ObamaCare is a tax."

The constitution clearly gives taxing authority to the Congress which consists of BOTH the House and Senate. And that ALL bills, in order to become law, must pass both houses and have the President's approval unless both houses can muster super-majorities.

Could the democratic House in the days of Reagan simply levied taxes without the consent of the Senate and President?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

This whole socialism scare tactic is becoming weak and tired, and the dynamic duo of Cruz and Lee have not awoken a slumbering American movement. They've gone off to the fringe and poked at a small hornets nest.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Nothing that the President says about it not being a tax can be believed. You know that it is a tax. I know that it is a tax.

From the WSJ - "Mitt Romney's campaign is aligning itself with President Barack Obama—and breaking from Republican leaders—by saying the government will be imposing a penalty, not a tax, on people who don't buy insurance as required by the new health-care law."

I guess that Mr Romney can not be believed either.

And, per your post. Congress, not the house must vote to impose or remove a tax. The house voted for the ACA. The senate voted for the ACA.

Your contention that it is the House as opposed to all of congress is flat out wrong.

"The Senate could have passed the budget that eliminated the ObamaCare tax. The President could have signed that bill. "

I cannot deny that.

But lets turn it around. The house could have voted to pass a clean CR without attempting to add a "caveat". The senate would have passed it and the Pres would have signed it.

Debt ceiling talks are not the place to change laws.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Mike,

Let's turn back the clock to about 2007 or so and say that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats that controlled the House shut down the government and threatened to default on the national debt unless Bush cancelled his tax cuts and defunded the war in Iraq.

Would that have bothered you? I'm guessing it would have...

Confused
Sandy, UT

Mike Richards... "It's obvious that many people in Utah are upset with Senator Hatch"

No Mike, Only the far right winged fanatics called the Tea Party are the only ones that upset with Senator Hatch...

The rest of Utah WHO voted him into office, thinks he is doing just fine as our Senator...

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

@JoeBlow,

The Wall Street Journal is not the Supreme Law of the Land. The Constitution clearly states that the HOUSE originates all revenue bills and that the Senate has limited authority to propose, concur or amend revenue bills. Article 1, Section 7: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

The HOUSE represents the People. The Senate represents the States. The People do not want ObamaCare and the House has represented the will of the People. The States do not want ObamaCare, but the Senate has not represented the will of the States. The President refuses to inforce ObamaCare - his signature legislation.

When the People reject ObamaCare, the States reject ObamaCare and the President refuses to enforce ObamaCare, why do you defend ObamaCare? Why did Obama and Reid shut down the government for something that the President will not enforce?

The Legislature can propose laws anytime, even if you think that they should not. Just because the President had a tantrum and shut down the government does not mean that the House must give in to his tantrum.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Mike, I'll come to your defense. I don't much like Orrin Hatch either, but not because he's a RINO. I don't like him because he doesn't have a clue about the economic disaster the GOP has been pursuing for the past 30 years. If the tea party doesn't like him because he's calling their darling out for his ridiculous stunt of recent weeks, well, that's their prerogative. But it doesn't mean they have a better understanding of our true economic troubles than Hatch.

And David, comparing the current tea party to the participants in the Boston Tea Party or the Minutemen is both historically uninformed and offensive to those of us who really do love our country and understand the root causes of our economic woes. Hint: the debt and Obamacare are not root causes. They are symptoms. So far, the tea party has yet to grapple with anything deeper than shallow anger over symptoms. Consequently, their solutions would exacerbate our problems rather than reducing or eliminating them.

ECR
Burke, VA

Last night on 60 minutes, former Deputy CIA Director Mike Morrell finished his interview with this statement,

"What really keeps me up at night is the inability of our government to make decisions that will push our economy and our society forward. And one of the things I learned looking at the world is that a country's national security, any country's national security is more dependent on the strength of its economy and on the strength of its society than anything else. I think … there's been a change from a willingness of the two parties to work together to get things done to today, the two parties at each other's throat and simply trying to score political points…"

Clearly there is a need for both parties to work together but when the House was finally able to vote on a reasonable funding bill 10 days ago, there was bipartisan approval. Unfortunately a majority of Republicans feared the Tea Party retaliation and voted against it, but enough brave Republicans did the right thing.

As Mr. Morrell pointed out, it’s a matter of national security and folks like Lee and Cruz are putting us at risk.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Mike Lee didn't put an NSA spy center here in Utah.

Mike Lee didn't support the patriot act.

Mike Lee didn't support drone strikes.

Mike Lee didn't support NSA gropedowns.

Yet he is the Extremist. Hatch and his ilk are the real extremists. They want to burn the constitution and bring in communism.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mike,

I started to respond, but instead just decided to beat my head against the wall.

glendenbg
Salt Lake City, UT

The claim in this letter that Orrin Hatch is the equivalent of a British royalist during the Revolutionary War is not credible.

We're disagreeing over a policy set by duly and legally elected representatives of the people. You may not like the policy but there are well-established, democratic means of changing it. Mike Lee and the other tea partiers tried and lost. Mitt Romney campaigned against it and lost. Those failures do not mean we live under a tyrannical government. The government of the United States is not in any way comparable to the British monarchy which governed the colonies prior to the American Revolution. Our governmen is legitimate, legal and democratically chosen. The president was legally elected twice by solid majorities. He can claim popular legitimacy for his agenda.

Democracy is government by discussion. When teapartiers claim their opponents are illegitimate and anti-American they are attacking democracy, trying to stop disucssion.

You may not like what Orrin Hatch said, but he is not a traitor and he is not allying himself with an illegitimate government. To claim otherwise is not consistent with democratic values and is unacceptable.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Anyone that thinks this tepee "stirring the hornets nest" tactic is anything but a tool to raise funds is delusional. It was planned in January and executed with the help of Mr Lee and Mr Cruz. Patriots don't advocate revolutions. Rebels advocate revolutions and a coup dé tat and that is sedition at the very least. I think that is what we all have really witnessed. Funny how a (d) next to one's name brings out the ugly even when there is little difference in the policy. Me thinks reality has taken leave.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

What happened to the left's supposed "tolerance" of diversity? He just has a differing political philosophy than you. That doesn't mean he needs to be hated and reviled or sent to a re-education camp for political dissidents. This isn't Communist Germany! At least not yet.

Tea Party people are not vile, they are not evil, they are just different than you. Do you think you can tolerate that? Sure doesn't seem like it.

The occupy wall street people had a different outlook on where America should be. But that didn't mean I need to vilify them, or suggest they be taken away to camps to be re-educated for not marching in lock-step with the current regime. You just listen to what they have to say and see if there's any good in it. That's tolerance. Not pretending everybody who doesn't think like YOU needs to be rehabilitated until they do think like you!

We need to be more tolerant of other people... including people who differ from yourself on political issues.

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