Published: Monday, Oct. 28 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
"He says he is against Obamacare but do you hear anything from him on how to
change things?"Uh, you do realize that your quote is also
applicable to the guy you are praising, right?Repealing or defunding
the ACA with no replacement IS "kicking the can farther down the road and
hope that everything will be OK."The GOP would rather vote 40
times (with no chance of success) than to write replacement legislation. Why is
Wow. Three letters in one day extolling Mike Lee, and none on the other side.
I guess we know where the Deseret News stands. One wonders whether the DNews is
owned by Fox News. Fair and balanced, indeed.
It's obvious that many people in Utah are upset with Senator Hatch,
especially when Senator Hatch tells us that Mike Lee needs to be
"rehabilitated". Senator Hatch is a disgrace to Utah. When
the battle was on, he could not be found. He would not defend his oath of
office which requires him to defend the Constitution. He cowered when Mike Lee
and others stood up for the principles that govern this nation. Senator Hatch
should be ashamed of himself. He should apologise to Utah for shirking his
duty. He voted to kick the can down the road. He did nothing to pay the debt.
He did nothing to remove ObamaCare, as he promised he would do in his campaign
speeches. He showed us that he will duck for cover when the fight is on. Shame
on him. Shame on his prideful attitude.
Republicans, you built the Tea Party monster in your own astroturf-covered and
FOX-fueled mad scientist's lab and the monster you created is, like all
monsters, now turning its rage on you. It's in the monster's nature to
destroy its creators. It's just what monsters do.Monsters
don't know how to build anything, they only know how to wreck things.You built it - you own it - it's yours to get under control. And if you don't, then brace yourselves for decades of shrinking
Mr Richards,Yes or no questionDo you feel that the debt
ceiling debate is the proper venue to change existing laws?
"Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah, and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, have awakened the slumbering
American public"You got that right. They have shown that some
folks are dangerous. That they are ok with destroying the economy for the sake
of "saving" us. That they believe in rule by the minority.Yep. We are all wide awake now.
Joe Blow,ObamaCare is a tax. The Court told us that it is a tax.
Nothing that the President says about it not being a tax can be believed. You
know that it is a tax. I know that it is a tax. The House has the
responsibility to levy taxes. It also has the right to remove taxes from us.
"Existing law" has nothing to do with the authority of the House. The
House has all legislative authority to tax us or to not tax us. The House must
opporate within the limits placed on it by the people. It can tax us for 17
duties and only for those 17 duties that are enumerated in Article 1, Section 8
of the Constitution.The House can remove ObamaCare because ObamaCare
is a tax. Do you deny that?The "ceiling debate" was a
diversion. The Senate could have passed the budget that eliminated the
ObamaCare tax. The President could have signed that bill. There would have
been no phony shutdown and there would have been no phony "cry for help"
about the debt ceiling. Do you deny that?
Mike Richards,"The House has all legislative authority to tax us
or to not tax us.""The House can remove ObamaCare because
ObamaCare is a tax."The constitution clearly gives taxing
authority to the Congress which consists of BOTH the House and Senate. And that
ALL bills, in order to become law, must pass both houses and have the
President's approval unless both houses can muster super-majorities.Could the democratic House in the days of Reagan simply levied taxes
without the consent of the Senate and President?
This whole socialism scare tactic is becoming weak and tired, and the dynamic
duo of Cruz and Lee have not awoken a slumbering American movement. They've
gone off to the fringe and poked at a small hornets nest.
Nothing that the President says about it not being a tax can be believed. You
know that it is a tax. I know that it is a tax.From the WSJ -
"Mitt Romney's campaign is aligning itself with President Barack
Obama—and breaking from Republican leaders—by saying the government
will be imposing a penalty, not a tax, on people who don't buy insurance as
required by the new health-care law."I guess that Mr Romney can
not be believed either. And, per your post. Congress, not the
house must vote to impose or remove a tax. The house voted for the ACA. The
senate voted for the ACA.Your contention that it is the House as
opposed to all of congress is flat out wrong."The Senate could
have passed the budget that eliminated the ObamaCare tax. The President could
have signed that bill. "I cannot deny that.But lets
turn it around. The house could have voted to pass a clean CR without attempting
to add a "caveat". The senate would have passed it and the Pres would
have signed it.Debt ceiling talks are not the place to change laws.
Mike,Let's turn back the clock to about 2007 or so and say that
Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats that controlled the House shut down the
government and threatened to default on the national debt unless Bush cancelled
his tax cuts and defunded the war in Iraq.Would that have bothered
you? I'm guessing it would have...
Mike Richards... "It's obvious that many people in Utah are upset with
Senator Hatch"No Mike, Only the far right winged fanatics called
the Tea Party are the only ones that upset with Senator Hatch...The
rest of Utah WHO voted him into office, thinks he is doing just fine as our
@JoeBlow,The Wall Street Journal is not the Supreme Law of the Land.
The Constitution clearly states that the HOUSE originates all revenue bills and
that the Senate has limited authority to propose, concur or amend revenue bills.
Article 1, Section 7: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the
House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments
as on other Bills."The HOUSE represents the People. The Senate
represents the States. The People do not want ObamaCare and the House has
represented the will of the People. The States do not want ObamaCare, but the
Senate has not represented the will of the States. The President refuses to
inforce ObamaCare - his signature legislation.When the People reject
ObamaCare, the States reject ObamaCare and the President refuses to enforce
ObamaCare, why do you defend ObamaCare? Why did Obama and Reid shut down the
government for something that the President will not enforce?The
Legislature can propose laws anytime, even if you think that they should not.
Just because the President had a tantrum and shut down the government does not
mean that the House must give in to his tantrum.
Mike, I'll come to your defense. I don't much like Orrin Hatch either,
but not because he's a RINO. I don't like him because he doesn't
have a clue about the economic disaster the GOP has been pursuing for the past
30 years. If the tea party doesn't like him because he's calling their
darling out for his ridiculous stunt of recent weeks, well, that's their
prerogative. But it doesn't mean they have a better understanding of our
true economic troubles than Hatch.And David, comparing the current
tea party to the participants in the Boston Tea Party or the Minutemen is both
historically uninformed and offensive to those of us who really do love our
country and understand the root causes of our economic woes. Hint: the debt and
Obamacare are not root causes. They are symptoms. So far, the tea party has yet
to grapple with anything deeper than shallow anger over symptoms. Consequently,
their solutions would exacerbate our problems rather than reducing or
Last night on 60 minutes, former Deputy CIA Director Mike Morrell finished his
interview with this statement, "What really keeps me up at night
is the inability of our government to make decisions that will push our economy
and our society forward. And one of the things I learned looking at the world is
that a country's national security, any country's national security is
more dependent on the strength of its economy and on the strength of its society
than anything else. I think … there's been a change from a
willingness of the two parties to work together to get things done to today, the
two parties at each other's throat and simply trying to score political
points…"Clearly there is a need for both parties to work
together but when the House was finally able to vote on a reasonable funding
bill 10 days ago, there was bipartisan approval. Unfortunately a majority of
Republicans feared the Tea Party retaliation and voted against it, but enough
brave Republicans did the right thing.As Mr. Morrell pointed out,
it’s a matter of national security and folks like Lee and Cruz are putting
us at risk.
Mike Lee didn't put an NSA spy center here in Utah. Mike Lee
didn't support the patriot act.Mike Lee didn't support
drone strikes.Mike Lee didn't support NSA gropedowns.Yet he is the Extremist. Hatch and his ilk are the real extremists. They want
to burn the constitution and bring in communism.
Mike,I started to respond, but instead just decided to beat my head
against the wall.
The claim in this letter that Orrin Hatch is the equivalent of a British
royalist during the Revolutionary War is not credible. We're
disagreeing over a policy set by duly and legally elected representatives of the
people. You may not like the policy but there are well-established, democratic
means of changing it. Mike Lee and the other tea partiers tried and lost. Mitt
Romney campaigned against it and lost. Those failures do not mean we live under
a tyrannical government. The government of the United States is not in any way
comparable to the British monarchy which governed the colonies prior to the
American Revolution. Our governmen is legitimate, legal and democratically
chosen. The president was legally elected twice by solid majorities. He can
claim popular legitimacy for his agenda.Democracy is government by
discussion. When teapartiers claim their opponents are illegitimate and
anti-American they are attacking democracy, trying to stop disucssion.You may not like what Orrin Hatch said, but he is not a traitor and he is not
allying himself with an illegitimate government. To claim otherwise is not
consistent with democratic values and is unacceptable.
Anyone that thinks this tepee "stirring the hornets nest" tactic is
anything but a tool to raise funds is delusional. It was planned in January and
executed with the help of Mr Lee and Mr Cruz. Patriots don't advocate
revolutions. Rebels advocate revolutions and a coup dé tat and that is
sedition at the very least. I think that is what we all have really witnessed.
Funny how a (d) next to one's name brings out the ugly even when there is
little difference in the policy. Me thinks reality has taken leave.
What happened to the left's supposed "tolerance" of diversity? He
just has a differing political philosophy than you. That doesn't mean he
needs to be hated and reviled or sent to a re-education camp for political
dissidents. This isn't Communist Germany! At least not yet.Tea Party people are not vile, they are not evil, they are just different than
you. Do you think you can tolerate that? Sure doesn't seem like it.The occupy wall street people had a different outlook on where America
should be. But that didn't mean I need to vilify them, or suggest they be
taken away to camps to be re-educated for not marching in lock-step with the
current regime. You just listen to what they have to say and see if
there's any good in it. That's tolerance. Not pretending everybody
who doesn't think like YOU needs to be rehabilitated until they do think
like you!We need to be more tolerant of other people... including
people who differ from yourself on political issues.
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