re: Mike Richards 10/28"Mocking patriots is a passtime for those
who mock the Constitution." When did demagoguery get confused
with patriotism? In retrospect, its probably always been that way w/ the
irrational right & I'm just now clueing in. "There
will be many posts today supporting Senator Hatch and there will be many posts
that mock Senator Lee."What about one calling out the status
quo? I've heard thats Latin for the mess we're in."A
prophet once saw a large building where people pointed their fingers and mocked
those who kept the law." There is a different perspective on
that fairy tale but now is not the time or place to deconstruct it.
Ironically the House Republicans in an attempt to make the President look bad,
have a permanent place in history as the worst ever elected officials in modern
re:Mike in SandyIf your 'Fantasyland' is a place where the
constitution is honored and upheld, where our bill of rights has priority and
where socialism is locked away in some dark place never to see the light of day
then YES I am ready to go!!! Hatch a realist? Is a realist someone that caves in
to the radical left and their Marxist agenda over and over and over? Is a
realist someone who is afraid to rock the boat for fear of offending his buddies
in the senate and the national media? I didn't vote for Mike Lee to go to
the senate to be a 'realist'. I voted for Mike Lee to stand for
conservative values against the tidal wave of big government progressives who
have rung up a 17 trillion dollar debt (last count) and are destroying what is
left of the American Dream. Mike is doing GREAT!!!
If you recall the classic movie with James Stewart "Mr Smith Goes To
Washington" where a freshman senator rocks the boat and is attacked by
members of his own party for standing up for principle instead of caving in to
the status-quo. Sound familiar? The old GOP guard in the senate feel threatened
by the new fresh faces that were born in 2010 including Mike Lee, Marco Rubio,
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and other conservatives. These new senators are true
conservatives not old guard progressives and the attacks against them are
Smart! He is a realist, where Lee, Cruz and their ilk are living in some sort of
To "The Real Maverick" you are wrong. What the democrats are doing is
very relevant. We have seen what Progressive Republicans can do with their slow
march to Socialism, and that was a failure. What makes you think that the
Progressive Democrat sprint towards socialism will turn out any better?
"You Pro-Hatch liberal authoritarians love war, torture, and
tyranny."Hey, I survived the 8-year Bush Junta too.
@ RedshirtSeriously, how many profiles do you have on this site? 5?
10?Secondly, whatever the Democrats are doing to help/hurt the
economy is irrelevant. We've already seen the results of repub leadership.
It wasn't pretty. Or have we already forgotten 2008?
To "Ranch" if you think I am so out of touch, then tell us, what have
the Democrats proposed that could work? So far everything that they have tried
and passed as failed miserably.What have they done that has actually
helped the economy?If you ask the CEOs of many of the large US
businesses, they will tell you that the Democrats are causing more problems and
2 BitsIsn't "hate" a little extreme? It seems that is
the tone I get from Tea Party conservatives towards Obama. I do not
"hate" politicians, but do dislike some of their positions. And it DOES
matter what type of conservative one is. I liked Senator Bennett, who was a
conservative in the fashion of Goldwater, who founded the modern-day
conservative movement and Reagan, who cemented it in the Republican Party. These
new rightwing conservatives are uncompromising, obstructionist ideologues who
are undermining traditional conservatism.
@RedShirtCalTech;You haven't lived in the real world for a
while, have you?@lost;The impediments to our economy are
the Mike Lee's and his ilk.
Embarrassed,Will of the people, huh? Care to explain then, what has
happened to prop 8, which WAS the will of the people?Ranch,Obamacare and the EPA are the greatest impediments to the economy right
now.Blue, I disagree with you, and the voters disagree with
you, and you take us to court. See?1conservative,Remember,
hatch said in 1976 that 3 terms was enough for a senator – that was, what
4 terms ago? Hatch doesn’t care about the truth.One vote,You mention no compromise – talking about harry and BO, right?
Say what you want about Mike Lee and Ted Cruz, but how many Liberal/Progressives
are there in office right now that are willing to risk their re-election based
on their convictions?Don't we need more people like Lee and
Cruz that are willing to stand up for their beliefs? Is it a bad thing to stand
up for your beliefs?
To "Ranch" that is a lie. The Recession was over in July 2009, that was
an entire year before Lee was put into office. The Democrats were still in
charge of the Federal Government and had enough of a majority they could do most
anything they wanted. Yet it wasn't until the Democrats lost control of
Congress that the nation stopped shedding jobs and began to get more jobs.What proposals have the Democrats had that would have helped the
economy? The stimulus programs have proven to be wasted money, along with all
of the bills to just give out money and benefits. Tell us, do the Democrats
have any plans that could acutally work? Right now they want to try Socialism.
How well is that working in Greece, Spain, Portugal, or Italy?
nonceleb,Does it really matter what brand of conservative they are (or are
not)? Would you not hate them anyway?
Is it any surprise that all three letters to the editor in the Deseret News
defend Mike Lee and Tea Party conservatives? I hope they continue their suicide
mission. Their approach, which is outside the normal constitutional legislative
process (while claiming to be defenders of the Constitution) will alienate most
Americans and maybe even a substantial number of Utahns. As for being defenders
of the true conservative movement, they resemble more the McCarthy Republicans
of the 50s. They most certainly are not Goldwater or Reagan conservatives.
The extreme radical anti-government, anti economy tea party after defeat is
still not compromising and more dogmatic than any other "party" since
the civil war. At least they are consistent.
I just don't like to be lied to.Hatch said he would "do
everything he could" to eliminate Obamacare.He "says" he
wants to bring down government spending. So much for campaign statements.He should have qualified his statements to state that he would ONLY do
those things if it was o.k. with Barack!That, apparentally is what
he meant.Why be afraid to tell the truth?
Re-education for people who get out of step with the Government sounds like
something the SS would propose... It's not the American way to
handle people who disagree with the President (no matter how popular he is with
his ever-faithful minions).We need MORE diversity of thought... not
more people marching lock-step with the President or their party leaders.
That's just my opinion.If he's standing up for what he
believes (and possibly what many Utahns believe)... Lee should be applauded for
sticking his neck out, not have it cut off.
You people who want a dictator, are going to get one. You Pro-Hatch liberal
authoritarians love war, torture, and tyranny. Well, you guys are about to get
it. Do you really think NSA spying is freedom? Do you really think stealing oil
in the middle east and a million dead Iraqi civilians is done by a military
"fighting for our freedoms" ? They are definatley not fighting for my
Hatch hasn't gone anywhere, it's the conservative movement that has
become far right radicals.
Wow, this is really funny. If it's on Faux News or in the Washington Times
or right-wing talk radio, it must be true. To attack Orrin Hatch for
not agreeing with Mike Lee is just precious. We really do need to split the tea
party off from the GOP. They are highly incompatible and are like spouses in a
very bad marriage. The sooner they divorce, the better.
Come out of the GOP darkness and into the light.
Senator "Hatch continues to walk hand in hand with liberalism"?My liberal friends will be stunned to learn this.
embarrassed Utahn: "It's called Democracy...ya know, The Will of the
American People!"That's not how the conservative purity
test works.Here's how it works:"You disagree
with me? Well then, you're not a true American!"See?
Mocking patriots is a passtime for those who mock the Constitution. There will
be many posts today supporting Senator Hatch and there will be many posts that
mock Senator Lee.A prophet once saw a large building where people
pointed their fingers and mocked those who kept the law. Perhaps that vision
included those who mock elected officials who do their duty. Senator Hatch is
mocking Senator Lee. He's mocking Mike Lee because Mike Lee kept his oath
of office. He's mocking Mike Lee because Mike Lee had the courage to stand
of the Constitution and Hatch did not. Mocking is showing derision
for principles and law. Those who will not keep the law use mockery to divert
attention from their unwillingness to stand for good and true principles.Mike Lee needs no rehabilitation, but Orrin Hatch could use a few
My nightmare consists of several more years of Mike Lee and his ilk obstructing
our nation's efforts at economic recovery.
Mr Larsen,Could you (or anyone else) give me a list of names of
those in congress who have not "abandoned the conservative movement"?People call Hatch a RINO. Who in congress is NOT a RINO?List please
Get used to it! Hillary (or any other Democrat) in 2016!!It's called Democracy...ya know, The Will of the American People!