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  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Oct. 25, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    A 2,700+ page monstrousity of a law that was n-e-v-e-r wanted by the majority of Americans.

    What could go wrong?

    30 million more people to receive free health care with NO more doctors added.

    What could go wrong?

    Nationalized health care with sign up/enrollment via the internet?

    What could go wrong?

    So, liberals.....are you still convinced that "nothing can go wrong"?....

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 25, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Many people voted for political leaders hoping they would increase taxes on those who work, and be benefited by it. This is mean spirited.

    What goes around,--comes around. When Obamacare strikes, I hope they pay like the rest of us.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 25, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    Computer programming requires viable end point and with analysts and programmers and supervisors and especially the insurance companies involved, it is odd that they don't have their precise programs in-place. Insurance companies would have known of this debacle and that their whole plan with the President's ultimate plan is not doable. Social security was robbed by the government years ago. It was sold on a solid plan of people paying into the system and having the money they contributed there in their future years. However, it was used to build social programs that got people enabled to want government to do everything.

    Government is not the end all but is there to help protect the society's safety and welfare. This President hasn't run anything in his life producing anything. His closest allies haven't done anything either so it is a good opportunity to see what happens. Other Presidents may have made mistakes in something but this President has made the nations of the world despise us for his NSA intrusion into their lives and countries. People like privacy. The NSA programming was successful. That is where our CEO put his efforts.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 25, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    Remember, "just vote for the bill now, read it later?" that got us to this point. Who signs a binding contract before they read, know what's in it? Oh yes, our Senate and Representatives did, and our voters did the same, by voting for and keeping them in office. All the education in the world, without the wisdom to employ it, causes this foolishness. We yearn for real leadership, and it seems nowhere to be found, perhaps because the people themselves do not exercise "the sense they were born with." Perhaps it all starts, and ends, with you and with me, the most painful realization of all.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:51 p.m.

    @Grover

    Socialism is found nowhere in Christ's teachings. He teaches us to care for our brother, not turn him over to some soulless bureaucracy.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    Once government takes control of health care, --the door to communism has been opened.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    Could prices start low, and increase in the next year or two.

    Liberals are tricky in disguising their intent.

    How can we be sure, rate increases aren't going to happen?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Web contractors blame Barack? Barack is the Jedi Master of blame and he will simply deflect it to some other party...anyone but himself. With Barack - the buck NEVER stops here. This little man is not a leader and every crisis sadly shows that the king has no clothes.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 24, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    The knashing and wailing is funny. You lost two elections. Democrats didn't start 2 wars they are getting people to take "personal responsibility" by buying private health insurance. Yes, that was a republican idea, even Romney says so.

    Romney said he got the idea from the Heritage Foundation.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    To "Grover" just because it came from the Heritage Foundation does not mean it is a good idea. The other problem is that the idea that the idea for the mandate that we got is anything like what the Heritage Foundation proposed has been proven false. The ACA mandate does not reflect the HF, see "Column: Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate" in USAToday.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    atl134

    Regardless of the rational, it still is big brother government finding another way to impose itself into the lives of all citizens. Haven't we allowed enough of that already?
    Where will it end? Single payer, socialized medicine? Is that what you want? Not me. I've lived in that country and did not like the stories I heard from friends about long waits and rationing health care the older you get. I'm talking about England by the way, not Botswanna.

    rvalens2

    With Obama, It should be the "bucks" started here. 7 trillion of them anyway. 7 trillion of additional spending on top of the yearly 3 trillion plus we spend anyway. Notice the difference? How could a country spend that kind of money and have nothing to show for it except tepid economic growth and meek employment numbers? As they would say in England, I'm gobsmacked.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    @Grover - The Republicans of the 90's were moderate and sensible politicians. Now, the tea party folks that are the cancer of the Republican party are extremists who will push moderate Americans to continue voting Democrat, not because they want to or believe in the complete Democrat platform, but the tea party Republicans are absolutely insane.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico "The government would never survive if they competed in the private sector." - The majority of the big businesses in this country would not survive without the Government pushing for subsidies and regulations that protect their interests.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    The Government contractors share the bulk of the blame. Who in their right mind creates a website with over 500 million lines of code? That is absolute insanity. The predominate operating systems on the market typically run well under 50 million lines of code...

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    Ok Red explain this: The individual mandate (making healthy people to sign up) was the brain child of the Heritage Foundation (Jim DeMint is a liberal?) during the Clinton Administration. The only reason Obama went with this scheme is he thought it would bring a few Republicans with a memory on board. Since it did not and they had the votes they should have gone for national healthcare and not wasted time trying to get any positive ideas from the Pubs to control healthcare costs and make it affordable for all. I know...that is a socialist goal (and a Christian one).

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    @ ATL134:
    1. The shopping question was a sequence question. You can't "shop around" 'til you open a account --- which means you have to expose your personal ID stuff to a myriad of confirming sources (without encryption, according to the mode-of-failure reports). The rest of the world does this at shopping cart checkout time.

    2. The hugely inflated costs is a legitimate question that your subsidies response did not answer. To paraphrase "So what? --somebody else's wallet will cover it". Did you really mean that?
    When my own profitable Obamacare compliant policy costs less than 1/2 (sticker price) and provides better coverage than is offered by Obamacare --- there is definitely something wrong.

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    @JSB, I wish I could use more than one "like" for your post. Here is what I would do, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, etc.

    You get the idea. Spot on in my view.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    President Obama will go down in history as President Blame. He's got making excuses down to an art form. The trouble is, blaming and making excuses is not leading. When Bush wanted to extend the debt ceiling, Obama called it "unpatriotic." Are the Republicans now "patriotic" for wanting to put a lid on it or was Obama wrong when he criticized Bush? We are heading for a crisis of huge proportions unless something is done about it but if the Republicans try to stop increasing the debt, President Blame will attack the Republicans--it's his style. And when everything falls apart, he'll find some Republican to blame. The biggest problem with Romney's campaign is that he overestimated the intelligence of the average American voter. Oh, how I wish Romney had been elected. I think that there are more and more democrats who feel the same way.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    If I recall, the ACA would only provide insurance coverage for an additional 30 million people more than already have insurance. If Mountainman's figure of $394 million in costs is correct, taxpayers could have given each of those 30 million people $10 million dollars each. They'd probably be happy and we wouldn't have to deal with this mess.

    The shutdown was a sham of the Obama administration. Departments in the Pentagon and HUD were mailed notice weeks in advance of the shutdown to expect delays in funds. The administration wanted to make it as disruptive as possible to the American people, spending money to close areas that were not costing anything to remain open, ie. the veterans memorial, and viewing of Mt. Rushmore from the roadside.

    The goal was to put the blame for the shutdown on the Republican's so that Democrat's could use it in campaigning, increasing their chances of election. We need people in government that are concerned for the welfare of the country, and not just getting re-elected. The game's that they are playing won't continue much longer, the American people are slowly waking up and getting involved.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Considering past leaks of information from the military, IRS and NSA, how secure is our confidential information?

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    "One House Democrat says the president needs to "man up" and fire somebody..."

    President Truman had a plaque on his desk that stated "The buck stops here." The one who should be fired is the man at the top who pushed this debacle on all of us.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    Ok liberals explain this. Several of you have pointed out that to get the system to work they need young healthy people to sign up. The problem is that they also included the "slacker" provision that allows the healthy young people to stay on their parents' insurance. So, how do you expect to get the young healthy kids to sign up for insurance when they can be covered by somebody else until they are 26?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    Obama is in a world of hurt right now and its not going to get better. After the website is fixed and people are able to sign up for insurance, we will all begin to painfully realize how expensive this is going to be. Premium increases as well as hidden taxes will all be hitting our pocketbooks and bank accounts.

    The state of our economy will continue to pitter along as employment numbers largely reflect part-time work opportunities as employers won't want to hire full-timers.

    I agree with a previous post...watch for politicians to next call for a single payer system as a replacement for Obamacare. We are quickly moving down the road of struggling countries like Greece.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    @Uncle Rico
    "The government would never survive if they competed in the private sector."

    Then why were insurance companies so adamant that there not be a "medicare buy-in" or other "public option" in the Obamacare exchanges? They saw the non-profit entity as a threat to their business.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    @m.g.scott
    "The administration should realize that forcing people to sign up was one of the big negatives in the first place."

    Here's the reason Romney and Obama had mandates (Obama initially opposed the idea). The problem with banning companies from dropping people for pre-existing conditions is that you add a lot of sick people to the insurance rolls. On its' own that means the cost of health insurance premiums increase. So you need to balance it by putting a lot of younger healthier people on there too. So it's there for cost control, and... as Romney explained repeatedly before the 08 election, there are a lot of people who get sick, go to the hospital, get treated (because at some point we determined that was basic human decency), default on their medical bills, and leave all those costs for the rest of us. It's estimated that the average family was paying around 1000 dollars a year just to cover that kind of cost for the uninsured. The mandate prevents what Romney termed "free-riders".

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @toosmartforyou
    "Why, I must ask yet again, wasn't this rolled out to 10 States at a time, over 5 months, rather than all at once to the entire country?"

    Roughly 20 or so states have their own systems in place, as far as I can tell at least most of them have been running smoothly. The federal one applies only to the states that rejected the idea of setting one up themselves.

    "Why cannot persons shop for the best rate?"

    The healthcare exchange quite literally lets people shop around and see the different rates.

    "Why are rates higher than existing and much higher than anticipated or promised?"

    Because you didn't factor in the subsidies.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    I finally figured out why Obama never accepts any responsibility for his failures. Its a religious thing for him: Thou shalt have no other god before the government! To critique or demand accountably from the government is therefore like dissing their god to Obama and liberals.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    @lost in DC
    "Why do you continue to print lies? The GOP voted to defund obamacare and leave the rest of government open – harry and the dems voted to shut down the government."

    That's wrong. Reid and the Dems voted to pass an amended continuing resolution, one Boehner never allowed a house vote on. In fact, Republicans even changed the rules to guarantee shutdown since the rules used to be that anyone in the House could initiate a process to bring up a Senate bill for a vote but Republicans changed it so only House majority leadership could, thereby guaranteeing a lack of vote on the Senate bill which probably would've passed then seeing as that's basically what passed a few weeks later.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    The government would never survive if they competed in the private sector.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    We really needed to have figured out Social Security and Medicaid funding before starting this mess. With record numbers hitting retirement age we're setting ourselves up for funding disasters already, now we've also got to figure out universal healthcare... We're sunk in about 20 years from all this!

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    Say No To BO

    I agree that the only way for this ACA to succeed is to have millions sign up. However, what I think we all see coming is another "tax" being put on our payroll to support the ACA, like we do with medicare, social security ect. The naive idea the Democrats had that this would and could be supported by just the young, uninsured, and healthy was as dumb of an idea as liberal thinking is capable of. And that's saying something. Bottom line, I think the ACA is a bad program, and will ultimately end up in all working Americans being billed, and the non working will get their free health care. What's the difference from what has been going on anyway? The only part of ACA that I think needs to be followed thru with is the pre-existing condition. That however could have been legislated as a seperate program althgether without this 2600 page monstrosity of a bill being passed.

  • The Solution Dayton, OH
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:39 a.m.

    m.g. scott:
    I couldn't agree more. Why the arbitrary deadlines? Why penalties for the uninsured? It doesn't make sense if the primary motive was to provide health care to those who couldn't get it before.

    Possible Ulterior Motives:
    1. Rollout right before next election cycle to increase democrat voter turnout and take over the House
    2. Force all to buy insurance, especially healthy young folks who don't want/need it, to help cover costs
    3. It was never about helping common citizens, but intended to reward insurance companies, health providers, and lawyers
    4. It was never intended to succeed but set up to be so cumbersome that people will not only be ready but demand to have single payer (socialized medicine) systems by the time Hillary Rodham Clinton is president in 2016

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Now, isn't this classic. Someone is blaming BO for something. How's that fit for size Mr. Pres.?

  • donahoe NSL, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    There are unstated rules that I remember being pounded into me working as an employee doing federal contracting:
    (1) Never blame the customer and
    (2) Don't mess up! ...although a different word choice is used.
    What #2 meant, in practice, was that your job was to be certain that the system worked by helping the company be fully engaged with your customer, especially if specifications were found inconsistent with success. Is this difficult? You bet it is. Is this difficult process unrewarded? Largely, yes. But this strategic management choice is a fundamental reasons why some contracting firms stick around and others do not. And this unsung management style underpins many of our greatest American achievements.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Throwing more resources (in this case programmers) at a late deadline does not speed it up, it slows it down.

    I understand that she has been reluctant to come to congress and explain what is going on. She is trying to schedule time. I think that perhaps she is delaying because she wants to have some good news when she goes. She is in a world of hurt right now.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    @lost in DC

    "Obamacare was passed in 2009 or 2010. I guess 3 years is not long enough for dems to get ready for their trainwreck."

    Obamacare was passed in 2009 or 2010. I guess 3 years is not long enough for repubs to legally and properly remove a judicially-reviewed law they did not like and perhaps propose a solution more to their liking and more to the benefit of the American public.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    @ m.g. scott
    If ACA is to have any hope of success it must force young, healthy people to buy insurance.
    Therefor, they NEED IRS agents and fines to make them buy. If you don't have large numbers of healthy people paying in you will never be able to pay for the Obama-promised features like:
    *No lifetime caps
    *No denial for preexisting conditions
    *Maternity, dental and mental
    These features cost lots of money, especially when you sign up large numbers of people who need those feature and subsidize their expensive care.
    The next part of the train wreck is the lack of doctors to provide care to millions more who weren't going to the doctor before.
    We are seeing the early signs of another entitlement program that government has botched and we cannot afford.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    They did test before launch, and the test failed. (This under light load -- about 2000 connections. The issue is not "excessive demand.") Apparently, meeting the Oct 1 date was more important to the Obama administration than having a functioning website.

    Kathleen Sibelius had told congressional committees for months that the project was on track. She was either lying, or out of touch. Either way, she should be fired.

    Think of this: there are a couple of dozen places in the Obamacare law that say, "The secretary shall determine...." That secretary has proven to be either dishonest or inept. Who wants this person in charge of our health care?

    And think of this: Obama was making the same statements she was making, so the same characterizations apply to him.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Hutterite, it underscores the federal government's lack of ability to actually deliver health care. (Or should I replace 'federal government' with 'Obama administration?)

    Would you trust a doctor to deliver a baby that had trouble treating a cut finger? (Or in this case, a headache....which is what this whole ACA is?)

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    I don't really want to help out Obama and this ACA but here is a simple solution. Why not just open the enrollment indefinately? Starting now, let anyone at anytime for any reason sign up when they want for the next 3 years? If this computer mess sorts itself out in the next year or so, many more would probably sign up. What is all this "deadline" stuff about anyway? And, get rid of the IRS fine all together. The administration should realize that forcing people to sign up was one of the big negatives in the first place. After all this ACA was "supposedly" to insure the "uninsured". It shouldn't have involved the rest of us who were already insured and "wanting to keep our plan and doctor". As promised by BO himself. Having government force and fine all Americans is just not American.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Why, I must ask yet again, wasn't this rolled out to 10 States at a time, over 5 months, rather than all at once to the entire country? Then issues could be identified and solved much easier.

    Why cannot persons shop for the best rate?

    Why are rates higher than existing and much higher than anticipated or promised? (Oh, I just answered the above question.)

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    I hope they can get the website up and going right away. It's a sideshow to the entire exercise, which is about delivering health care, not websites.

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    There is indead someone who needs to be fired for this problem, and it is the person at the top.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Itsjstmeagain,

    While what you say is true to a certain extent, I know from personal experience that "leadership" in agencies for the federal government can make doing the programming portion of the process darn near impossible.

    It goes back to the old programming adage when the user tells the programmer "I know that is what I told you I want, but it is not 'WHAT' I want".

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    This should not be surprizing. when americans are more concerned about recieving freebies from their government as opposed to electing someone of NO accomplishment, NO vision and NO clue. Seems to me americans got just what they deserve.....obama.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    I do not blame the contractors. The original system specifications were built into the law itself by politicians who are not system designers. Then the politicians changed the specifications, typically at the last minute. The ACA law even stipulates a firm rollout date, unrelated to the changes in requirements. No wonder the product is a jumbled mess!

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    Classic journalism once again. The story is about who is to blame and finger pointing and has nothing to do with the health insurance problem in the Country. The ACA will rise and fall on the effective (or ineffective) way it deals with the cost of health insurance in the USA and not on the mechanics of implementation. Most States that set up their own exchanges are up and running and enrolling record numbers of people. So What? Likewise the critics of the ACA want to focus only on the politics and the process and ignore the ever growing cost we all pay for the millions of uninsured who get their healthcare from emergency rooms. Will the ACA be less expensive or more expensive than the status quo? That is the story here and the rest is just writers "filling the news hole".

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    DN,
    Why do you continue to print lies? The GOP voted to defund obamacare and leave the rest of government open – harry and the dems voted to shut down the government.

    Repeated the DNC’s party line does NOT make it true!

    Obamacare was passed in 2009 or 2010. I guess 3 years is not long enough for dems to get ready for their trainwreck.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    "As for calls that Sebelius be fired, Daley said that would be like firing the captain of the Titanic "after the ship hit the iceberg."

    Rest assured, no one in the Obama administration will be held accountable. Just like the Bengazi, IRS, Fast and Furious, NSA, and other scandals - blame will be deflected toward some "low-level" staffer. They will be reassigned to a different cushy job and keep all their pensions to keep them quiet from pushing blame further up the chain of command. To quote Hillary Clinton: "What difference does it make?"

    After all, the Titanic sunk because some guy in the engine room was shoveling coal too fast.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:09 a.m.

    Price for failed Obamacare website: $394 million and counting! Imagine the hyperventilation and outrage from the Democrats if this Obamacare mess had been hatched by the GOP!

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    Do you think you should not have bid? You accepted an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (ID/IQ) structured contract which gave you a lot of flexability and typically the technical lead on the development. Did you sit and spend too much time counting the money?
    I was in the Project Management business for years in DOD, you need to look elsewhere for sympathy. The HHS office may have been overwhelmed by the size of this effort, but you had the ball for structure and operation.
    Maybe DARPA should have run the contract for HHS, or get some pros from DOD.