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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 23 2013 10:57 a.m. MDT

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Libs have a tough choice given by Obama,? You can either go down with the ship or go down with the captain? Either way the ACA is a disaster foisted upon the American people who will show their disdain in 2014!

joe5
South Jordan, UT

I find it hilarious that avid ObamaCare supporters, particularly in Northwest, and now learning that there are fewer choices, less coverage, a significantly more cost than what they expected - exactly as they had been told time and time again by people whom they refused to listen to.

Employers are cutting benefits and raising costs and, when challenged, have nothing more to say than the government won't let them do what they've done in the past. To have the same coverage I had last year is going to cost me a little less than twice as much. How's that for the promised lower costs and better coverage?

Sticking fingers in your ears is rarely a good way to make a decision. Unfortunately Obama followers are blind sheep bleating behind their master and that's exactly what we'll see again over the next few months. Like lemmings, they will follow Obama right over the edge of the cliff.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

If this so called roll out had gone well Obama would be doing victory laps around everthing. Watch him keep his distance from the failure. Who would believe he did not preview this fiasco. His ego kept it from the light of day.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

There will be many people who like Obamacare/ACA.

For example, most people who work in beauty salons don't have health insurance--or pay premiums for catastrophic type coverage.
I asked the person cutting my hair yesterday if she had had a chance to go on CA's website. She had, and discovered she could get a significant reduction in her monthly premium for a lower deductible and much better coverage.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm shocked that yet another thing with barack's hands all over it is turning out poorly.

Red
San Antonia, TX

Obama has no real clue about insurance. He just makes things up that sound good.

There is no accountability for him.

The fact that he got re elected at all shows that he has a free pass to keep lying.

Thanks America for voting for him. You are getting what you deserve.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I guess leadership is not proven by playing golf and vacationing.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Enrollment problems/sticker shock are just the beginning.
Common sense tells us that we cannot get more for less. You cannot insure millions more, eliminate lifetime caps and cover pre-existing conditions without someone paying more.
And you cannot send millions more to the doctor without having a shortage of doctors.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Obama's words and actions are often totally opposed to each other.

He has steadfastly opposed any delay in the individual mandates (while delaying mandates for his cronies, despite the lack of any legal authority to do so). As the unworkable sign up system collapses, it is very likely that Obama will suddenly blame Republicans and Bush for the problems, and announce a one year delay in the individual mandate as well.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

The rollout is going poorly but the bill itself is good. The exchanges are quite popular in the states that have effectively set up their sites, like Kentucky's "Kynect" (heh, it's also more popular when you leave the conservative people in the state blissfully unaware that Kynect is their Obamacare exchange).

joe5
South Jordan, UT

DN Subscriber: "As the unworkable sign up system collapses, it is very likely that Obama will suddenly blame Republicans and Bush for the problems, and announce a one year delay in the individual mandate as well."

The real pathetic thing is that blind adherents like Truthseeker will, without reservation, join in the blame game. They will continue to cherry-pick the one or two pieces of data that make things sound good while ignoring the overwhelming contradictory data that shows how troubled things are. People like this use an isolated case to make their argument and turn a blind eye to any other data no matter how readily available it is.

Truly, we are seeing ample evidence that "you can fool some people all of the time."

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Says the same folks who were so absolutely sure that Mitt would win, your predictions are based on your hatred and ignorance instead of facts.

So when it succeeds, I''m sure we'll see the same rabid radio listeners, find something else to complain and do nothing about, this is all the conservative party has left after 30 years of tying to convince the public that trickle down works and war is good... it doesn't so this one trick pony can only complain and obstruct.

Truthseeker generally uses references, something conservative can't seem to accomplish.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Only the bo and his clueless followers would consider:
1. Adding $7 Trillion to the national debt
2. Increase of unemployment
3. Increase in food stamp recipients
4. Increase in part time jobs with a decrease in full time jobs
5. Poorer quality health coverage
6. Increases in taxes
7. Poor race relations
8. Being mocked by the world
9. Paying over $500 billion for a website that doesn't work
10.Assaulting religious people
11.Calling murders on US troops as work place violence (Ft Hood)
12.Standby while our Ambassador and Seal Team members are murdered then cover it up with a youtube video
13.Murdering women and children with drones in foreign countries
14.Paying for the murder of unborn children when the mother and father made the choice to have sex together
15.Eat French fries and demand everyone else eat healthier
16.Vacation, golf, on the backs of taxpayers while they're out of work
17.Increase the conflicts we're involved in around the world
18.Take credit for personally teaching the seal team to get bin laden
19.Evolved into gay marriage

as a good step in the right direction.

morganh
Orem, Utah

@Happy Valley

So you say that conservatives can't find references to back up their facts. Here are a few: Dr. Betsy McCaughey read the whole 2000+ pages of new regulations in the ACA and found a payroll tax increase, limits on HSA accounts at $2500.00 which many people use to pay for kids braces etc.. Taxes on medical device manufacturers who make life saving devices such as pace makers etc..,and many more new taxes. Also you might have missed the story last summer where the Alpine School District cut the hours of their bus drivers to 29 hours a week so they would not have to pay them Health Benefits which they can't afford because of the ACA according to the official from the School District. Most of these facts are given little attention by the Obama networks, and its only conservatives who decided to read the whole bill and find the hidden taxes that Obama doesn't want you to know about.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Boyee Ted you sure drank the whole cup of tea.

But 80% of your list is nothing but radio rhetoric opinion, and hearsay by hate entertainers.

Got anything of value to ad, or actual facts?
Much like other conservatives you just made up complaints to generate anger?

VST
Bountiful, UT

Everyone agrees on one thing. The survival of Obamacare depends in large part upon whether young healthy people sign up for health insurance in large numbers. The government is going to have to enroll young healthy people to make sure they have coverage because that is what really is going to lower the overall cost for everyone.

Older people who have much higher healthcare costs are paying five to seven times more than what a 20 year old is paying for these same health insurance policies. But Obamacare will change that by allowing only a three-to-one difference which will drive rates up for younger people. For young healthy people, their premiums will be substantially higher (possibly even double) what they were paying before Obamacare implementation.

Right now, the actual enrollment rate is about 6,000 to 7,000 per day. The administration says they will need 7 million enrollees in the next six months to make it work. At the above enrollment rate, that will be far short of the 7 million to make this work.

This will be lethal for Obamacare. Right now, Obamacare is doomed to collapse under the weight of its own financial shortfall.

David
Centerville, UT

Moderators: I copied/pasted a Joe5 comment.

The following was my original post:

The real pathetic thing is that blind adherents like joe5 will, without reservation, join in the blame game. They will continue to cherry-pick the one or two pieces of data that make things sound good while ignoring the overwhelming contradictory data that shows how troubled things are. People like this use an isolated case to make their argument and turn a blind eye to any other data no matter how readily available it is.

Truly, we are seeing ample evidence that you can fool some people all of the time.

Happy Valley Heretic, I keep trying to remind liberals that Democrats were in power to start WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. They are as guilty as Republicans with war.

Regarding your trickle down economics statement, I would be interested to hear your economic philosophy. If it is anything like Obama's, then it would involve government control of industry, manufacturing, housing, etc. Sounds like the failed economies of Korea, Cuba, and the Soviet Union.

A good, healthy economy requires freedom of thought, expression, experimentation, freedom from the overwhelming regulations we see today, and freedom of money.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@ David

"I keep trying to remind liberals that Democrats were in power to start WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
Regarding your trickle down economics statement, I would be interested to hear your economic philosophy. If it is anything like Obama's, then it would involve government control of industry, manufacturing, housing, etc. Sounds like the failed economies of Korea, Cuba, and the Soviet Union."

Wow David... I thought Adolph Hitler started WWII, but I guess it was the Democrats! Using your ridiculous hyperbole, Republicans want to turn this country into Somalia.

David
Centerville, UT

1aggie,

You make a good point. I am sorry to have made it sound like Democrats started WWI and II. Democrats held the White House during those wars and made the right choice to enter them militarily.

Pres Bush did not start Desert Storm in 1991 either. Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

Pres Bush went to war in Afghanistan in response to the World Trade Center attack that killed thousands of Americans. I feel that to be an appropriate response given it was the most significant, massive attack against the American homeland since the Pearl Harbor attack.

Pres Bush went to war in Iraq due to poor intel, and the world-wide believe that Saddam had WMD (it is still speculated that his WMD is now in Syria!). Saddam repeatedly thumbed his nose at UN resolutions and efforts to verify WMD and safeguard/destroy them. Saddam had a history of destabilizing a precarious area of the world. Obama has similarly responded in the Middle East by engaging in Iran, Libya, and Syria at different levels (some with drones, others with economic sanctions, others with military attacks and support).

You made a good point. Thanks for letting me clarity mine.

David
Centerville, UT

1 aggie, my post was in response to Democratic criticism alluding that Republicans have started all of these wars because they are warmongers or something to that effect. It is not true. Republicans have responded to attacks and threats from dangerous regimes and terrorists to keep Americans safe. I am sure most Americans would agree that going to war against the Taliban in Afganistan was an appropriate response to the World Trade Center attack? The Taliban regime in Afganistan was where Osama bin Laden was basing his operations, if you recall. He was the man that declared war on America in the 90's, and that Clinton targeted to kill with missiles.

Saddam Hussein overthrew the government in Kuwait by invading his neighbor. Saddam repeatedly threatened our major ally in the region, Israel, and sponsored terrorism against Israel. The US has committed to help certain nations if attacked, such as South Korea, Japan, Israel, the Philippines, Poland, England, and others. Though politically the war against Iraq and Saddam was debated, there were not many opposed to engaging with Saddam militarily when the vote was cast in Congress, and the UN.

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