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Obama: 'No excuse' for health care signup problems; essence of law 'working just fine'

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  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    "essence of the law working just fine." It surely is - sky rocketed insurance premiums = canceled long held insurance policies = cheaper policies with high co-payments, higher out of pocket expenses = affordable inadequate coverage. In short, we pay much more for a whole lot less.

  • azreader1 tucson, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    "But he said, 'it's time for folks to stop rooting for its failure.'"

    Why Mr. President? You and your party jammed this down without a single Republican vote. And you wonder why we want to see this fail? It's because it never had our support to begin with. You have to earn support, not force it upon people. So whine all you want, but this Republican will never support your left-lurching partisan inclinations and policies.

  • md Cache, UT
    Oct. 22, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    I just spoke with a patient yesterday who signed up online for insurance. Her husband makes 1,800.00 per month. She is unemployable. Her premiums will be 170.00 per month. Her deductible is 6K for physician related costs and 6K for medications. This woman will be charged 13K!!! before her insurance kicks in a dime, each year. Affordable Care??? I don't think so.

    Obama is smashing the piggy bank, forcefully stealing the pennies and printing more slugs in the garage. He is the worst President this country has ever seen. The media is covering up this mess each day. Barry is getting away with it and all of the "entitled" souls who elected him are cheering for this socialistic dictator.

    Encouraging laziness and penalizing success isn't the way this country became great.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Last week Canada’s Supreme Court ruled that doctors could not unilaterally ignore a Toronto family’s decision to keep their near-dead husband and father on life support. In the same breath, however, the court also confirmed that, under the laws of Ontario, a group of government-appointed adjudicators could yet overrule the family’s choice. That tribunal, not the family or the doctors, has the ultimate power to pull the plug.

    In other words: Canada has death panels. And, now so does America!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    Marxist,

    I also see a weakening of our capitalist system of the economy. Why is that?

    I believe it is because of the decreasing role of religion and faith in America.

    I believe it is because of the weakening of the family as the central unit of society.

    I believe it is because divorce is too common.

    I believe it is because men, including young men, are not living up to their abilities.

    I believe it is because, after decades of effort, liberals have weakened our government with entitlement programs that have left us bankrupt and have left individuals dependent upon government programs.

    I believe it is because politicians have too many safeguards that keep them in office.

    There are many other things that are contributing to a weakening nation. Perhaps the leaders, the voters, and everyone in between needs to take inventory of their lives. A return to decency, to faith, to hard work, to personal responsibility would help.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 21, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    @ One vote. Obama and the Democrat's 10 alarm hissy fit rant against the GOP and the TEA party is only because Obama and the demoborrowers detest anyone questioning their irresponsible borrowing and spending party. How dare anyone ask THEM for any fiscal accountability?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    If he handles this like the house Republicans, no problem.

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 21, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    To "marxist" capitalism isn't failing. Fascism is failing along with socialism.

    Just look at the industries that are struggling the most or are hated the most. They are all being micromanaged by the Federal Government. This is called Fascism.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    re:Hutterite

    Too bad? Really? I would pay to hear a conversation between yourself and one of the thousands of Utah residents who have seen their health care premium double in cost. Yes that is DOUBLE with a capital D. I know many poor souls who have seen their work hours go from 40 per week to 27 per week due to the mandates of Obamacare. For those people - who where barely making it as it - do you just say "oh well too bad"? Yes Hutterite it is too bad. It is too bad that America has a socialist president and a completely incompetent one on top of that. It is too bad that millions of hard working Americans are going to LOSE their currently health care plan and be forced onto something that they have to pay double for and doesn't meet their needs....all 180 degrees opposite from what Mr Obama promised them. It is too bad that millions who don't work and won't work get FREE health care at the expense of those who do work and are carrying the load for all the dead beats.

  • lars Pittsburgh, PA
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    @jasonlivy

    You misunderstand my comment. I'm saying that they should absolutely have seen this coming. The fact that Pres Obama is saying there's "no excuse" indicates that he doesn't understand software, i.e. they're in over their heads, as you said, so I think we're more in agreement than you realize. There are almost always legitimate difficulties that come up when a major software product like this, with lots of interactions with external systems, gets released. This happens all of the time-- witness the instability of just about any first-version software release, ever.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    We can yack back and forth all we want, but capitalism is itself failing. The debate on either side here is as they say 'rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    lars:

    I'm shocked by your ignorance in this matter! What we are seeing is what we can fully expect from the US Federal Government in regulating our health care! The message that everyone should take away from this latest example is the extreme level of incompetence demonstrated. I'm all about compassion, but this is way beyond giving them a pass. There is simply no excuse for this!

    True, there should be a degree of allowance offered, but this program would have failed miserably in the free market. The government doesn't play by the same rules, so no matter how badly they fail, they will never be held responsible. No one will be fired and the government will continue on in it's path of extreme mediocrity at best and criminal incompetence at worst. Obama's administration has proven they are way over their heads time and time again...

    The fact that they spent over $630 million on this website that couldn't handle 15 million views is atrocious! Why defend them? Why should we not demand better from our tax dollars?!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    'essence of law 'working just fine'??? HA!! Barack is such a demagogue. The essence of the law - meaning the skyrocketing cost of premiums for the majority of current health care carriers? What about the reduction of work hours to 27 for full time employees? Add to this the number of layoffs and the lack of business expansion due to Obamacare. What in the world is this man measuring to determine that the essence of law 'working just fine? This is an outright lie.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    I find it ironic that he did not mention the cost that people are finding in this website, or is that a glitch also.

    I also find it ironic that he did not talk about the 479,000 people who successfully signed up. However, they are not either discussing how many of those 479k have opted for one of these so called great plans. Just another tactic by Barry to hide behind something and waste more time until it is too late and it has to be pressed. If it is that important Barry, then agree with the GOP and suspend it for a year and get the thing straight. Don't just try to jam it down our throat in the next six months.

    I can see Barry now with his new computer crew....."Ummm, fellas, just get it up and running, I don't care if it works, just get it up and running so people will quit coming to me about it. By the time the realize it won't work, it will be too late and my evil plan to destroy America will be in full implementation."

  • RedShirtMIT Cambridge, MA
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    To "Hutterite" you should be grateful that we didn't get a single payer system.

    In 45 of 50 states insurance costs have gone up an average of 73%. Now that is with private companies that have pay out 85% of every dollar they take in. Which is much better than the 70% that the Federal government pays out for every dollar they take in.

    Do you hate your fellow man so much that you would want them to NOT get the care they needed because the government couldn't afford it, didn't want to pay for for "non-productive" people, or has waiting lists for procedures?

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    Obama is a master at taking the side of the average person in words, without holding anyone responsible. He himself knows he will never be held responsible and his feigned outrage is nauseatingly predicable. It literally turns my stomach knowing that he continually excoriates himself from so many of the horrible debacles his administration has found themselves in. He's done this time and time again and I can only conclude he is a pathologic liar.

    At the very least he is not a man of his word. His words carry zero weight. I'm tired of hearing how much he cares and that he understands the plight of the middle class when his actions show he is only concerned about passing his extreme liberal agenda behind closed doors. Obamacare will weaken our country by forcing more people to rely on the government, something Obama and his ilk only care about. Under Obamacare we will be less healthy due to the super high deductibles, and the state of our health care in the US will deteriorate.

    What will it take for the majority to see what is really happening here?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    This is a classic government project - horribly inefficient - grossly over cost and lots of finger pointing. Folks I'm afraid this is just a precursor of things to come with Obamacare. This is just the web site which is nothing more than a simple data entry site and the thing costs in excess of 200 million and it runs like pig. I 100% guarantee there is no possible way this thing should cost anywhere near this amount and the fact that it doesn't scale at all is a HUGE red flag. Being an electrical engineer myself in the software business I get a pretty good feel that the design on this site was horribly orchestrated - the requirements from a UI perspective + the physical hardware including database choice and then the overall architectural platform used. This should have been an Amazon Cloud app but from the sounds of scalability issues and costs it wasn't. Now this is just the web site - what about the LAW itself? The LAW makes the web site look like a smooth running machine. The LAW is going to bankrupt business and raise the cost of premiums beyond reach of most.

  • lars Pittsburgh, PA
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    I think there's plenty of valid excuses for the glitches. A complex software system like this is bound to run into problems without a slow, controlled ramp-up. Opening the flood gates like this seems to be asking for trouble. Lots of software companies go through a public Beta release first. (Of course, a gradual increase would have its own share of problems, including of course the need to be flexible on postponing when the fine for not signing up starts to be imposed...)

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    @ Beverly

    I totally agree. Thank you for being a voice of reason and objectivity in this sea of partisan opinions. I too am a lifelong Republican but agree that the health care industry is broken, needs reform and that the Republicans need to either stop complaining about Obamacare or come up with a viable alternative. Honestly, I don't care much for Obamacare but I have to admit that at least it starts the discussion concerning the healthcare problem in this country. If there are alternatives, if there is a better solution, then let's hear it. Until then, we should all see the healthcare industry for what it is and support improvements so that medical care and prescription medications can be available for all.

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Obama is a master at taking the side of the average person in words, without holding anyone responsible. He himself knows he will never be held responsible and his feigned outrage is nauseatingly predicable. It literally turns my stomach knowing that he continually excoriates himself from so many of the horrible debacles his administration has found themselves in. He's done this time and time again and I can only conclude he is a pathologic liar.

    At the very least he is not a man of his word. His words carry zero weight. I'm tired of hearing how much he cares and that he understands the plight of the middle class when his actions show he is only concerned about passing his extreme liberal agenda behind closed doors. Obamacare will weaken our country by forcing more people to rely on the government, something Obama and his ilk only care about. Under Obamacare we will be less healthy due to the super high deductibles, and the state of our health care in the US will deteriorate.

    What will it take for the majority to see what is really happening here?

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    @David, I completely agree. How did we expect this to work, let alone not break the bank worse than it is, when we try to fund hugely expensive new initiatives while ignoring our Social Security/Medicaid mess

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    When I was studying computer science at Westminster College I was told that 50% of major software development projects crash and burn before completion - that is, they never see the light of day. The outright failure rate is a little lower for private sector and a little higher for public sector. I worked on a major software development project for the Utah Department of Health - it finally was a deliverable 3 years late! Why? Well software engineering is a tough deal. That said, Obama had better get this done and soon!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    My concern is cost. It is unthinkable to me, with our current federal debt and deficit spending, that the government would add another program, and not just any program, but a massive health program. We have &17 Trillion in debt. We spend $300 billion this year on interest on the debt. We have a projected $70 Trillion in unfunded liabilities.

    I am frustrated that after two years to prepare, the roll-out is really a disaster and is costing several times more than budgeted. Do we dare project the additional, unexpected costs, forward throughout the program. What will it cost then? Would we have supported this if we knew the true costs?

    Can we afford this? How can we survive our current debt plus the debt this health care disaster will add?

    I can't believe Obama ever won his first term, yet alone his 2nd.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    The product is there; it's too bad the website is causing problems. And it's too bad we didn't get real single payer health care.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Barry just finished another sales pitch on national tv. the consummate pitchman. The problem is that he has nothing to sell. Good luck CO, the world is watching.....

  • photographermom South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    I keep waiting for his pants to catch on fire! Obamas greatest talent is the way he can lie, he is truly gifted. See, I can give credit where credit is due, even to Obama.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    @Beverly

    "President Bush tried to get a health care law passed and failed. President Clinton tried to get a health care law passed and also failed. President Obama got the job done, [by strongarm and bullying tactics, but then afterwards failed, too, making more people sick - and sicker]"

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Oh,joy. Another speech touting how wonderful Obamacare is. Wonder who he'll blame for the HHS mess and what flavor of 'wall paper' people he will have standing behind him this time?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    I expect Obama to tell us these lies all over again:
    #1: Obamacare will reduce healthcare premiums by $2,500 for a family of 4.
    #2: There will be no individual mandate.
    #3; Complete transparency.
    #4: If you like your current plan, you can keep it.
    #5: Allow drug companies to deal with the government and lower costs.
    #6: You can keep your doctor.
    And since NONE of these things are happening, Obama will say its the GOP that is making his plan fail.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    Does anybody really expect to hear the truth? Really.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Oct. 21, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    I support Obamacare and I support the President. President Bush tried to get a health care law passed and failed. President Clinton tried to get a health care law passed and also failed. President Obama got the job done. Like all major pieces of legislation, it will take time and adjustments. Give the President credit for helping get a long over due health care law in place. I'm a life long Republican and I know this law is necessary for America. Once the profit seeking health care industry stops lobbying against this law with their billions of dollars - it will be a good thing for all Americans.
    Ask our Republican delegation how much money they have accepted from the health care lobby in attempts to block Obamacare!

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Oct. 21, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    What he has to say is easy to anticipate. It's either the Republican's fault or Bush's fault.