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Published: Monday, Oct. 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Basically these four legislators said that they would be happy to let America fail as long as President Obama gets the blame. Patriot is not a term that one could apply to any of them.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I find this extremely funny since we all had to endure the endless rantings about how when Obama was in the Illinois chamber he voted present (no vote) several times. Oh how the far righties had a heyday with that. It was proof he shouldn't be a leader.

It will be interesting to see the justification behind these lack of votes. Particularly from Lee... with all his principles and all. If should have stared true to course, voted No against the CR and the cap increase. He was all bluster when no shots were being fired, but when the actual fight came to him, he was no where to be found. He had left his Republican colleagues to make the hard choice.... his choice... to not make a choice.

Shameful seeing how he is one of the principles who started the fight. You don't throw the first punch, then walk away, leaving someone else to clean up your mess. Place the dang vote.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Whatever happened to government for the people by the people?

I read poll after poll from BYU and KSL how unpopular the shutdown was. All the polls I read showed that a majority here in Utah did not support or agree with what our state delegation was doing. So only a very small minority supported them. Yet...

Why then was our state delegation catering to the minority and ignoring the majority?

Could it be because the minority are the delegates for the caucus system? Could it be that our state delegation was catering to those who control our caucus system rather than adhering to those who they're supposed to represent?

Just another prime example of why we need to "Count me Vote" and rid ourselves of the corrupt caucus system. It merely breeds radicalism and extremism.

Time to give the majority a voice! Let freedom ring!

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

If you don't intentionally do something, you unintentionally cause bad things to happen.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

They all jumped onto the Tea Party sinking boat.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

A solution is at hand if the people of Utah will rise up and vote against their republican masters long enough to make voting count in Utah. Although there is no guarantee that democrats would give people the right to elect the government, the chances are slightly better than with the republicans.

psalms91
olivehurst, CA

i think they did just fine you all need to quit attacking the republicans and stand for what is right and true the true enemy is democrats who want to keep us in debt you ppl need to wake up we will default sooner or later you cant spend like they been spending

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Four members of Congress from Utah had the courage to NOT kick the can down the road. Four members of Congress had the courage to NOT let Obama and Reid dictate terms to the House. Four members of Congress kept their oath to protect the Constitution.

Those who are beating their chests over the fact that we did not default seem to think that doing nothing means something. Exactly what was done? Obama's credit card was renewed. That's all. There is no budget. There was no compromise. The whole mess has to be repeated in a few months.

Apparently, that's what the liberals want - continued chaos. Four members of Congress wanted to solve the problem NOW.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Embarrassments, all of them, No alternative, No ideas, No votes, No character, next election No jobs.

"the true enemy is democrats" funny, sad, but funny. The republicans really needed the red menace to focus their collective hate upon or they start calling everyone one else "the enemy."

"Four members of Congress wanted to solve the problem NOW." with continued chaos, ignorance, and grandstanding, not likely?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Brad, Roland
The idea that the US would default on its debt was a scare tactic created by the DNC, peddled by a lapdog media, and swallowed by a gullible public.

I assume that if you are employed and get paid more than once a month that you received at least one paycheck during the dem-forced shutdown. Did you not have taxes withheld? There is more than enough revenue coming in to meet all the debt service requirements. The only way there would have been a default was if Lew ignored the constitution and spent the money on other things before servicing the debt.

Bob,
The answer is at hand if the American people will rise up and vote against their dem masters.

And all you lib apologists seem to ignore the fact that the house voted to keep the government open – BO and the dems voted to shut it down. The shut-down was purely a dem creation.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

Great letter. These guys can go through an entire term without a single accomplishment, and yet still get re-elected by constituents who only care to hear about their "principles". We Utahns will vote against our own self interests time and again!

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To lost in D.C.: Every single bill submitted to the Treasury represents funds that were legally and lawfully appropriated by Congress. Failure to pay any of them constitutes a default. What you suggest would be like saying that as long as you make your house payment, you can stop paying your car payment, utilities, credit cards, etc. It's nonsense.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

What really upsets the Democrats is that anyone would dare to question the Democrat's irresponsible borrowing and spending party. How dare anyone hold them accountable!

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

If I were a bank, I would be reluctant to loan money to those who think Lee, Chaffetz, Bishop, and Stewart did the right thing by effectively voting for the U.S. to default on its debt.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Surprise! The liberals here are not going to vote for any of the republican incumbents. Who would have thought! I am sure they would have, had it not been for the last 3 weeks. (Sarcasm off)

The debt ceiling is a grade 2 rapid compared to Niagara Falls called bankruptcy, which is surely coming to the US if we don't get our spending under control. Thank goodness some legislators are willing to try to steer the federal government away from the deadly threat!

Wally West
SLC, UT

I read somewhere that governing by crisis (which has been done since 2010) has consistently kept the GDP down by a full 1%. Imagine what a higher GDP could accomplish/lead to?

Is it really surprising Lee would play this card? Am I the only one who recalls his playing fast & loose w/ his own mortgage? The Junior Senator from Zion has no credibility IMO.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

There are sins of commission and sins of omission. The black 4 are guilty of both. Lets remove them all at the next opportunity.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

We actually did partially default once in 1979 with one of these stunts (didn't even cross the debt ceiling line but got close enough it messed things up for a couple weeks). Interest rates rose half a percent as a result which doesn't sound like much but cost the nation billions. So much for deficit reduction... this stunt would've just increased the money spent on absolutely nothing (interest) if the Utah delegation had their way.

jsf
Centerville, UT

Per the Huffington post, U.S. defaulted on its debts in 1814 and 1979. 1979 Bond holders sued to recover interest and the courts identified it as a default. In 1971, the U.S. defaulted on their debts when demand for Gold to replace dollars was not honored and we stiffed the French for millions. The U.S. terminated the gold standard. That's three defaults on U.S. debt. We may not be bankrupt yet, but we as a nation are insolvent. It is strictly propaganda for the Congress and President to claim we have not defaulted ever. Go get'em Lee. Orin is the one who needs to be recalled.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"The black 4 are guilty of both. Lets remove them all at the next opportunity."

Isn't it the liberal left who claim that opposition to Obama is because of racism. Yet here a liberal uses a racist label to denigrate the opposition and color as reason to remove them from office.

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