Comments about ‘At a glance: Gay marriage efforts in key states’

Return to article »

Published: Saturday, Oct. 19 2013 11:33 a.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
Pete1215
Lafayette, IN

The way it works on planet Earth, if an idea will result in bad consequences, bad things will happen.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

One by one the rest of the states in this great, secular, representative republic will over turn their illegal bans on same sex marriage. which state wants to have the dubious honor of being the last?

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

" And if the time comes that the voice of the people doth choose iniquity, then is the time that the judgments of God will come upon you; yea, then is the time he will visit you with great destruction even as he has hitherto visited this land."

This country is in serious trouble.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

I respectfully disagree with you "Red." While it appears that same-gender marriage advocates are gaining victory in court, I am certain that the caravan will not only crash, but will cause crashes all around it.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

This list fails to explain what's going on in New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

In New Jersey, gay marriages will begin across the entire state on Monday.

Here's a brief summary from articles over the last coupla days --

Governor Christie's appeal to delay implementation of the Superior court's earlier ruling was turned down.

The court also said that he is unlikely to win any further appeals.

So far they are upholding last month's ruling by the NJ state Superior Court, which found that same-sex marriages must be allowed in order to fulfill the 2006 ruling that NJ same-sex couples should be given "all of the rights and benefits of marriage".

Chief Justice Rabner wrote: "The state has advanced a number of arguments, but none of them overcome this reality: same-sex couples who cannot marry are not treated equally under the law today," ... "The harm to them is real, not abstract or speculative.""

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

Current events in PA -- summarized from recent articles --

The gay marriage battle is being fought on three major fronts in PA.

1. bills are being introduced in the state legislature. This week, Representative Brian Sims introduced a bill to overturn the 1996 ban on gay marriage.

2. marriage licenses are being issued in various places around the state despite a 1996 ban on gay marriage. Some of these marriages have been performed by local mayors.

3. Five lawsuits are being filed by Pennsylvanians in federal and state courts, challenging the ban on various grounds.

Also, PA State Attorney General Kathleen Kane has publicly declared that she will not defend the ban in court. She believes it is unconstitutional.

Nationally recognized same-sex marriage is coming, folks. Get used to the idea.

jrp7sen
Logan, UT

Congrats! This is good news to hear. There is nothing wrong with love. All you people complaining about the end of the world, you should also remember it was people like you 42 years ago that tried to prevent interracial marriage. Today, we all know how horribly wrong and prejudiced that was. Look at yourselves. History will not be kind to you in another 40 years and you'll deserve it.

Anyone who fights against love, equality, justice and fairness or lables it as a sin or "corruption" has serious problems. Too bad that petty constitution keeps you from your prejudices.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Jrp7sen: I hardly think that being against something that not only turns 'love' on its face, but thwarts the human species from propagating itself will be vindicated anytime soon. No, I think anyone that advocates the natural and God ordained method for bringing His children into this world will eventually see this failed idea for what it is, a colossal misunderstanding of not only 'love', but life as well! The black white marriage analogy is so far removed from this misconception as to warrant a laugh. A few battles will be won, but the idea will never reach acceptance by the general population because it is lacks, to put it mildly, common sense.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@banderson --

"the natural and God ordained method for bringing His children into this world"

Let's take a brief look at the issue of natural vs. unnatural.

In reality, many nonhuman species practice homosexual behaviors.

Here's just a few examples:

1. In bonobo chimps, over half of all sexual activity is between females.
2. In giraffes, 90% of all sexual activity is between males.
3. In black swans, 1/4 of all swan pairs are males.
4. In penguins, male penguin couples are known to mate for life just like "regular" ones do.

And there are many, many more examples. One researcher has even stated that "No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has **not** been shown to exist".

So, it's easy to see that homosexual activity in humans is very much in line with nature. It's easy to find in nature -- therefore it's natural.

Do you think that God made a mistake when he arranged for all those other species to show these natural behaviors?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

7 billion human beings currently on earth. Up from 6 billion.

I don't think the human race is in any danger of 'not' propagating due to gay marriage.

Like many claims, this argument against gay marriage is false on it's face. Like all the claims brought when Prop 8 and DOMA.

All that money to support these cases were wasted. What else could have been done with those millions?

Let me be clear: Gay marriage has no factual effect on anyone, except those who chose to engage in life-long mongamy with one person in, said gay marriage.

If these marriages do not effect you, you are injecting your personal beliefs into another persons life when you try to work to DENY Americans the 1,100+ legal rights and protections of marriage. Another person does not belong to you, they are not your property. You cannot force someone else what to do. You can only ever dictate your own actions.

Not the actions, of anyone else.

You cannot be a dictator towards others, factually TARGETING people who have nothing to do with you

...and claim you are 'defending' yourself, from any harm when it is imaginary.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Contrarious: Being not a scientist, I have no desire to study the bizarre behavior of animals for understanding of human beings. For most people, humans are different than the animal kingdom; for some,however, that seems to be where they take their cue, rather than from God.

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@bandersen --

"I have no desire to study the bizarre behavior of animals for understanding of human beings."

You're the one who brought up the idea of "natural". Nature inevitably involves animals.

"For most people, humans are different than the animal kingdom"

So why did you bother to mention nature in the first place?

The fact is that God designed nonhuman animals just as much as he designed humans.

Did God make a mistake when he designed all those animals to engage in homosexual behaviors?

Is it even possible for all those natural animals out in nature to be doing something that is "unnatural"?

These should be simple questions to answer.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

@ bandersen:

It's hard to keep up with Contrarius because s/he has so many screen names, s/he can overwhelm you with rhetorical questions and "facts" that aren't always facts

I completely agree with you on the idea of what is natural and unnatural, but it's impossible to argue the question in this forum because so much of what would be required to argue the point is inappropriate for a family newspaper--and properly so.

That seems to leave those of us who believe in traditional marriage in a position of arguing points that are hardly worth arguing (like what constitutes homosexuality among giraffes, and why did the percentage change from the last time Contrarius posted it?) or arguing points that are worth understanding but not arguing (like the reasons God "created" us with a fallen nature).

@ Pagan: You "don't think" the human race is not in any danger of not propagating, so you will experiment with a form of marriage in which propagation is not possible, and you will likely not be around for it to cause the sort of grand failures that will arise in two or three generations.

worf
Mcallen, TX

America was great, because American was good.

When America is not good, it will cease to be great.

This is a law which cannot be broken.

Contrariusier
mid-state, TN

@Jeff --

"I completely agree with you on the idea of what is natural and unnatural"

What's your definition of "natural", Jeff? Does it somehow not include nature?

"what constitutes homosexuality among giraffes"

You'll have to read the studies for those details -- can't post em here.

"why did the percentage change from the last time Contrarius posted it?"

It didn't, actually. I keep copies of most of my posts, so it's easy for me to double check such things. :-)

"like the reasons God "created" us with a fallen nature"

Did God create animals with "fallen" natures?

"and you will likely not be around for it to cause the sort of grand failures that will arise in two or three generations."

The LGBT population only represents around 5% of the human race. If 95% of the population keeps right on doing what they've always done, our species will be in no danger of dying out from any lack of procreation.

Jeff -- Did God make a mistake when he designed all those animals to engage in homosexual behaviors?

Is it even possible for all those natural animals out in nature to be doing something that is "unnatural"?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Lots of spinning, and justifying going on.

An alcoholic can't justify his drinking.

Wrong doing will catch up with you.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

BAndersen, Worf,
Relax, God will not blame nor punish you for not trying to convince us of what you believe.

GOD is love and he rejoyces on his children enjoying love, freedom and happiness.

Years ago homosexuality was condemned because of the lust and lack of committment. Now LGBT want to live as you live. Yet, you are not happy about tha either. You would rather that we continue in the shadows living double lives.

I am a man, christian, democrat, gay, father, son, brother, etc. etc. my gayness does not make better or worse at the eyes of God. I know, I receive revelation for my life as you do for yours. God and I have a great relationship. I hope you do too.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

MA has allowed gay marriage since 2004.

What birth rate has suffered due to gay marriage?

I would be willing to look at sources and facts given.

Until then, do not lie in Gods name and then claim you are on his side.

There has never been any factual harm to life-long mongamy in marriage. Gay or otherwise.

'After 5 Years of Legal Gay Marriage, Massachusetts still has the lowest state divorce rate...' - Bruce Wilson - AlterNet - 08/24/09

Line:
'Massachusetts retains the national title as the lowest divorce rate state, and the MA divorce rate is about where the US divorce rate was in 1940, prior to the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor.'

From the National Center For Vital Statistics

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It's kind of a piecemeal approach, but it is movement nonetheless. And the sky, it seems, is not falling.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments