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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 15 2013 11:06 a.m. MDT

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JNA
Layton, UT

I'm serious...can someone, anyone, Democrat, Republican, Independent, whatever, when does it stop. 16 trillion raised to 17 trillion, then in 6 months they need it to 18 trillion, then 19 trillion then 25 trillion, 50 trillion. They scare us over and over again about default, but when and where does it stop. Can anyone explain it to me?

bandersen
Saint George, UT

The charade goes on and the Democratic/Republican man behind the curtain, abetted by a inert media, will soon have everything all fixed with nothing anybody has to worry about. Just keep on spending America. Money does grow on trees and tomorrow we can all skip down the yellow brick road singing happy songs. Wait a minute. That was a movie! But, hey, who cares about the real world when you can live in an imaginary one?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@JNA

Republican Anointed One/POTUS Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times and tripled the deficit...

Republican Anointed One/POTUS Ronald Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times.

Today's politicos are simply following the lead of the Republican Anointed One...

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Why is the Republican House 'countering' anything?

Why are they not NEGOTIATING with the Senate plan?

Bush doubled the debt.

Reagan tripled the national debt.

You cannot say either about Obama, in his 2nd term now.

End the theatrics. If I wanted lower debt, Historically I would vote Democrat.

Ltrain
St. George, UT

@Pagan

Laughable!!! You try and compare the two??? Obama has raised the debt from 9 trillion to 17 trillion. That's not quite double, but that's 8 trillion.... If I owe 2,000 and I borrow 4,000 I triple my debt. You owe 200,000 and borrow 150,000 and then you make the argument that you are more fiscally conservative than I am. LOL

@TUGA Reagan was busy rescuing our economy from the Carter years, and dealing with a heavily Dimocratic congress. Oh yea! He had to defeat communism too by getting our military up to snuff after you people decimated it.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Pagan" how do you expect them to negociate with people that do not want to negociate?

About Obama we can say that under his leadership we have added $6.1 Trillion to the debt, which is mroe than Bush or Reagan.

We are now supplying arms to Al Qaeda and other therrorist organizations.

We have entered multiple armed conflicts with nations that have done nothing to us.

Obama is the most polarizing President in the last 50 years, he is a divider not a uniter.

Obama has expanded warrantless survelance to include indefinate detention of US citizens.

Since 1981, Republicans have allowed the debt to increase the least. When they controlled congress they averaged $300 billion/yr. During that same time when Democrats have controlled Congress it has increased by $732 billion/yr. If you want to go by GDP, it is worse. Democrats have pushed the debt up by 47%, while under Republicans it has been reduced by 7%. (This is according to data gathered from the GAO)

Basically, Obama is worse than any of the Republican Presidents that you hate.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

Funny how we continue to throw rocks at each other on this message board based strictly on political party. No one willing to listen to ANY view from across the aisle. "I know you are but what am I?" Not at all different from our congressional "representatives".

No matter whether you're Democrat or Republican, this divide has crippled the concept of communication, compromise and any consideration for the welfare of the American people. It's all about whether one or the other will get elected next time around...

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Ned, the Republican House has repeatedly offered compromise solutions, but every single time Harry Reid and Obama have rejected them, insisting on 100% of what they want, and not willing to compromise on anything.

The Democrat's perverse definition of "compromise" is to delay everything and reject everything and then at the last minute demand that the Republicans surrender completely.

Well, if that is their expectation, then I say just "Shut 'er down."

Our country's economic foundation is being systematically destroyed, we are accumulating mountains of debt that simply cannot and will not ever be repaid, and Weimar Republic rates of inflation must therefore inevitably be around the corner.

The only solution is to cut spending and live within our means, but as long as the Democrats refuse to move at all in that direction our doom is certain. It will begin next week with default, or in a year or two, it makes no difference unless Democrats are willing to make real compromises. And, yes, the big spending Republicans share some of the blame, mostly because they refused to stand up and reject spending and debt increases when the problem was much less serious.

"Free stuff today" wins!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@NedGrimley
"No one willing to listen to ANY view from across the aisle."

That's not true. It's just that a lot of sane Republicans (Huntsman, Bennett, Castle) don't hold office anymore.

"No matter whether you're Democrat or Republican, this divide has crippled the concept of communication, compromise and any consideration for the welfare of the American people. "

Making sure the House doesn't succeed in destroying the economy through debt default is important for the welfare of the American people.

lket
Bluffdale, UT

first of all the reason they have not done anything is over the health care act. it has been passed into law and 3 parts of the govenment have approved it. now this congress is obstucting law and this country. this is treason. congress should arrested and put in jail.
they swore an oath. they are not fullfilling it. in private job market they would be fired.
if they dont like the law they can win the senate and the president, and change it that is way things are supposed to work.

one old man
Ogden, UT

"About Obama we can say that under his leadership we have added $6.1 Trillion to the debt, which is mroe than Bush or Reagan."

And how much of that increase result not from new spending, but from CONTINUING spending requirements set up by the Administrations of Bush, Bush, Reagan et al.

NEW spending under Obama is at record lows.

Turn off the hate radio and stop drinking Glenn's Kool Aid.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Ltrain said "@TUGA Reagan was busy rescuing our economy from the Carter years, and dealing with a heavily Dimocratic congress. Oh yea! He had to defeat communism too by getting our military up to snuff after you people decimated it."

How Ironic that Obama is rescuing us from the Bush years and dealing with teahaudist/republican minority that is holding the nation hostage, Oh yeah Obama had to pay for bush starting 2 wars and keeping them off the books, and leaving Obama to clean up Osama, Iraq & Afganistan the budget surplus after the republicans decimated it and left us in a recession.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "one old man" none of that is from continued spending. For example, SNAP under Bush cost tax payers $38 billion/yr. Under Obama that same program now costs $78 billion/yr. Obama added $40 billion/yr more to a program that is already filled with lots of fraud and abuse. That is new spending because we have not doubled the number of poor people.

We can also go into the $1.2 Trillion of new spending that Obama added in what he called a "stimulus".

If it ws continued spending, then I would expect the deficits to be about the same as they were under Bush. You can't tell me that going from a $400 billion deficit to a $1.2 Trillion deficit is continued spending.

Ralph
Salt Lake City, UT

As long as people keep arguing and bickering about who is to blame in this country, like right here on the Deseret News forum, the government will continue to do the same and worse.

You can't blame my guy! Your guy's to blame!

Blaming sure is easier than taking responsibility.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"They scare us over and over again about default, but when and where does it stop. Can anyone explain it to me?"

Where does it stop?

When GOP presidential candidates are no longer afraid to accept a $10 in spending cuts for $1 in revenue increases.

When? When we get some sanity in our government.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

"The latest proposal from House Republicans does just that in a partisan attempt to appease a small group of tea party Republicans who forced the government shutdown in the first place," said White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage.”

Lie. The dems used the tea party’s attempt to defund obamacare as an excuse to shut down the government for pure political gain. The GOP has voted time and again to open the government, the dems have voted to shut it down.

Rather than repeal the tax on medical devices, they should repeal the tax on real estate transactions – that tax has a suppressive effect on the still weak housing market.

No need to default on the debt, there is more than enough revenue to service the debt.

Pagan,
BO raised the debt MORE in 40 months than bush did in 96, and you want to compare? Dems raise debt MORE than repubs. Stubborn facts you ignore

lket,
there was no health care act, just an insurance/massive tax and spend act.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Ask Jason he seems to know...
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), presiding over the chamber, told Van Hollen that the rule he was asking to use had been "altered" and he did not have the privilege of bringing that vote to the floor. In the ensuing back and forth, Chaffetz said the recently passed House Resolution 368 trumped the standing rules. Where any member of the House previously could have brought the clean resolution to the floor under House Rule 22, House Resolution 368 -- passed on the eve of the shutdown -- gave that right exclusively to the House majority leader, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia.
"The Rules Committee, under the rules of the House, changed the standing rules of the House to take away the right of any member to move to vote to open the government, and gave that right exclusively to the Republican Leader," said Van Hollen. "Is that right?"
"The House adopted that resolution," replied Chaffetz.

Thanks for clearing up who is behind this.

DeseretDebbie
Corona, CA

1. HR 368 is an outright attack on democracy. I have no representation in the House as I am not from Boehners district. 2. This is short term one more time and it is pointless. 3. The question is why is the GOP doing this? I believe it is the TEAParty is seeking a US shutdown for a coup. They have infiltrated not only our legislative branch but the SCOTUS as well. I hope the Senate votes no and the 14th amendment kicks in. At this point Boehner is a mouthpiece TEAPuppet and moderate Republicans have cowered in the TEA. TEA is not conservative it is far right reactionary. They are a propaganda machine seeking to replace democracy with monied plutocracy.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

It looks like we will legislate by threat of default from here out. Why would not this go back and forth forever? Should the Democrats take back the House they could defund every Republican law.

Beverly
Eden, UT

Leave it to Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, and most of conservative talk radio to help destroy the Republican Party. It is great to die for a cause, but it is substantially greater to die for a cause that is right. Pulling the Republican Party off a cliff by trying to extort their position from others is nonsense. The Republican Party couldn't get elected to dog catcher at this point. If you hate talk radio, you should take a measure of joy in their self destruction. Their narrowing audience will continue to shrink in the months ahead. It is a shame that they have taken the Grand Old Party with them.

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