Published: Monday, Oct. 14 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Updated: Monday, Oct. 14 2013 1:57 p.m. MDT
The rollout of Bush's Medicare Part D program also had plenty of glitches.
One big difference between the two, of course, is that Republicans have been
doing everything in their power to make sure that the ACA fails. Democrats
didn't like Medicare Part D, and voted against if for the most part. But
once it was the law of the land, Democrats let it go forward without trying to
wreck it.Also, a big part of the problem with the ACA rollout is
that so many millions of Americans have been trying to sign up, that it has
overwhelmed the system. The insurance doesn't go into effect until 1/1/14,
so everyone still has plenty of time to sign up.
If Congress can't figure out how to balance a budget, then why do we expect
them to be able to figure out solutions to other more complex things such as
solutions to poverty and education and medical pricing and....Budgets are not that hard to figure out. Spend less than you take it. Save
10%. Have an emergency fund. They should hire Dave Ramsey.
Lets be clear here..... the roll out is simply the beginning of a 6 month open
enrollment period. Second, the problems being experienced are not the result
of a government agency putting out shoddy work, it is the result of Experian,
the contractor who built the system, who didn't do their job right. Yes,
the same people you entrust your credit score to... that built the system that
got over loaded. No one is being denied medical treatment. No one
is being denied insurance because of structural problems with Obamacare itself.
It is a contractor underestimated the load that would be put on the system, and
didn't do enough testing, that is the problem. Hardly an indication of if
Obamacare is a failure. No more so than when you can't log into your
online banking account a sign that the US banking system is a failure.Deep Sea Horizon was an avoidable failure that cost lives, and billions of
dollars. And yet you don't see people saying the US carbon supply system
is a failure.
Just a thought.The person or persons who wrote this article
obviously have good insurance for both themselves and their family.The attitude "I have mine and I do not care if others do not have it"
is not very Christian like in my opinion.
Great explanation BlueDevil. Let me just add one simple explanation to the
question of why you can delay the employer mandate and not the individual
mandate. Every system has core principles from which all other policies and
actions are derived. The core principle of the ACA is everyone should be
covered and everyone should pay (one way or another). You can delay
the employer mandate because it's simply one way to achieve the overall
principle of everyone covered everyone pays. You delay the individual mandate
and you've killed the ACA, so don't think this is just some benign
helpful suggestion. It's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Obamacare is the keystone to single payer healthcare aka government or national
healthcare. The Russian communist Vladimir Lenin, too, understood
the role of medicine when he opined, “Medical care is the keystone in the
arch of socialism.”"One of the first acts of the new
Bolshevik government was to nationalize health care – again, not out of
altruistic concern for the masses of Russian peasants, but to centralize control
over the population and over physicians, who tended to be free thinkers and well
respected by the citizens".
What pragmatistferlife said was exactly right.People have until
March 31, 2014 to acquire health insurance. That is plenty of time to get the
glitches worked out.The ACA is based upon a great compromise with
private inusrnace companies--insurance companies will now grant insurance to the
folks who couldn't pass underwriting, but only if the government has a
"mandate" that gently encourages everybody to sign up. Delaying the
mandate is a betrayal of the insurance companies who are doing their part by
extending coverage to the otherwise uninsurable.Delaying the
individual mandate could drive insurance companies out of the market. Is
destroying the private health insurance industry the Repubicans' objective,
or would that be an unintended consequence?
The rollout has been fine here in CA, and in the other states which developed
their own exchanges.How goes it in UT? Got any stories to report
there?Q: Why no postponement for the individual,mandate?A:
People have waited long enough for the chance to have medical insurance and
receive the treatment they need and deserve.
Didn't Jesus teach about helping the poor, sick, disabled, and the lowly
among us?I don't understand how religious people
(conservatives) can be so against helping poor and middle class people from
getting health insurance.Also, when Apple comes out with a new
product and millions of people try to get it, isn't it a success?? Millions
of people are trying to sign up for Obamacare (ACA). It will work.
Now the Military Vet's is in line for not getting paid and SSi nd food
stamp cards are coming up to be hit. Obama is seeing a lot of money to pay for
his health car plan. I"m can't see why Obama isn't impeached.
The rollout is going great for all those states who chose to set up the
exchanges themselves. Those silly states like Utah who said no and left it for
the federal gov't are in this giant overwhelmed server system... why did
you leave that to the federal gov't anyway? I thought states knew better?
Didn't the GOP already get a delay when the ACA was first passed? Here we
are, 3 years later, and they're asking for another delay?I
think it's painfully obvious what the GOP is trying to do. They pushed for
a delay hoping to have the White House by now. They failed. Now, they hope to
push for another delay.Like an immature child who comes up with
excuse after excuse to procrastinate doing their homework, the GOP needs to grow
up and let the ACA work. Time to move on and work on other things
In spite of your wishing it so, it isn't nearly the disaster you were
hoping for. Maybe if we stopped trying to tear everything down and showed some
christian charity, things would be better.
Everything is overshadowed by tea party hysteria.
@Roland KeyserThe problem is so much bigger than glitches on a
website. The real problem is that there's no demand for the product. The
website got millions of hits because visitors were reloading pages over and over
again trying to get the site to work. The true way to measure demand is to ask
how many people actually made a purchase. It's a question the Obama
administration won't answer. The answer is too embarrassing.Obamacare is built on the backs of young people, and it's predicated on
forcing them to buy products they don't want, at prices they can't
afford. If no one signs up on the exchanges, the whole thing collapses. There is
no question about this: the scheme will fail. Not because of sabotage by the
opposition, but because it's based on the assumption that people will do
things that people don't do.
@ Church memberTo your first point, I'm not against helping
people get health insurance (or health care). I'm against the government
doing it. Like a referee they should create a level playing field, not a tie
game. I personally support organizations, groups, drives, etc. that seek to help
individuals who are currently unable to be self-sufficient to become so -
managing health care costs included. I feel there is a personal responsibility
to help those in need, not a government-mandated responsibility. Remember
Jesus' attempts to help the poor were done through invitation not
legislation. When the rich young man went away sorrowful after Jesus invited him
to sell everything and give to the poor Jesus didn't try to sue him or
create a law forcing him to give his riches to the poor. It's a question of
agency.To your second point, that is a horrible comparison. Millions
of people try to get Apple products because they want them, and they are willing
to pay the price. Millions are trying to access Obamacare because the government
is forcing them. They will be taxed if they don't. BIG difference for
With respect, it just seems that people on the Right are all too eager for
affordable health insurance for all to fail. Why not help make it work
instead?There were obvious problems with the healthcare.gov site.
That's a shame. There also remain 6 months for people to sign up, and
already the site is working out the glitches.My advice: let them
fix the glitches, and if more time is needed in March, extend the enrollment
period a bit then.Why do it now? There's really only one
motivation that I can see, and that's to give the opposition more time to
try to convince people they shouldn't sign up for insurance. I find that
extremely disingenuous, especially considering that the marketplace idea was
touted for a long time by the very conservatives now opposing it.
To Voice of Reason:DO you think American citizens should be forced
to buy car insurance?? Why??
Re:AVoiceofReason"Remember Jesus' attempts to help the poor were
done through invitation not legislation. "What was the govt
structure during Jesus' mission on earth? Was it a democracy?Did leaders collect taxes, and if so, what were they used for? Do
you imagine Jesus would condemn our democratic system today in which taxpayers
contribute to help the needy, disabled, elderly and children? Would he condem
those of us who support such programs because it wasn't purely
"voluntary"? While the Catholic Church recognizes the
important role the govt plays in helping others, other denominations remain
silent--unless it involves same-sex marriage, abortion or contraception. There is nothing stopping you from voluntarily helping people now.
I'm sure you could contact local agencies and find those who need help
paying medical bills, rent etc. or those who need rides to Drs. appts. or any
other variety of help. What are you waiting for?
Dear Church Member,You are correct that Jesus said we should help
the poor. Never the less, his directive was toward individuals, not a
government entity. Furthermore, the Christian is not to be compelled to give,
as in a government mandate, but from a good conscience and a willing heart. The
are many of us who willing practice this ethic, such as myself. I give of my
time and I tithe my finances. The framers of our constitution deliberately
limited the powers of the federal government so that it would not infringe on
personal liberty. Personal liberty includes the freedom to be charitable. It
is not the job of the government to tell me or you how to give from the heart.
Nor is it the job of the government to take care of us. We don't answer
to an entity. We are each responsible to God. Moreover, the Bible also says
that if one doesn't take care of his own, i.e. family, he is considered
worse than a reprobate. We must work to eat.
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