Honestly does the debate revolve around what the Republican and Democratic party
determine or the systemic failures of what has become a country that is out of
touch with 2/3 of the world who lives on less than $2 a day (aka the real
world). The fact of the matter is what is called the fringe is actually the norm
and the norm is actually the fringe in the contrived economics and politics of a
world (crony capitalism) that has no real basis outside of the fictions of
modern corporate capitalist law which undermines society every day it exists to
pervert all it involves.
Bennett is still just "sour grapes" for being primaried... Standing for
decent principles will never be wrong. Compromising with evil... is always wrong
I couldn't agree more about Republicans shooting themselves in the foot.
Shame on Republicans for letting the conservative/religious right dictate their
position. I have been a Republican all my life and I am ashamed of them now. I
live in Virginia and I will vote against the Republican candidate and against
their religious right Lt. Governor candidate. Virginia’s Republicans will
not get elected if they continue to be led by the religious right. Their passage
of the gender humiliating, intrusive trans-vaginal ultrasound anti-abortion
legislation, combined with the misdeeds of current Republican governor were the
last straw. Republicans... move to the center and away from the religious
right, or your members will cast their votes against you instead of for you,
even if it means a democrat gets elected. That’s how off base you are now.
The Republicans have their climate-skeptics, their evolution-skeptics, their
birthers, and now they have their default-skeptics. Many of them are just not
part of the "reality-based community". This is their problem: Not being
"reality-based" can easily lead to disaster. Unfortunately, it can lead
to disaster not just for the Republican Party, but for all of us, and even for
the whole world. At least, if the default-skeptics get their will,
we'll all know very quickly whether they were right, or whether they were
horribly wrong. Looks like we have a good chance of seeing the answer to that
one in the next few days or weeks. What were the American people thinking, to
send so many people into Congress who are not "reality-based"? What we
will likely see in the coming days or weeks is punishment for that idiocy.
Kayser,Just wait until the smoke clears and people truly see what
Obamacare is and is not. And ask yourself this: If they knew it was going to
be so popular, why didn't they phase it in state-by-state instead of
letting the whole country try and sign up on the first day? (First week-
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado and Connecticut; Second
week- Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa; etc.)
For having he solutions, the Democrats have laid a real egg on
implementation.The jury is out on Obamacare and I think it might
sink on its own merits. We'll see. (Do you really expect it to be better
than Immigration, Education, Energy, Social Security or any other program the
feds have run?)
@djc:"Any competent medical provider can tell you that, 'just
going to the emergency room' is probably the most expensive way to receive
medical care."Why is the emergency room any more expensive than
a doctor's office for those (poor etc.) who don't have health
insurance?Why can't hospitals quickly analyse the situation
when someone arrives at their door and provide a medical station for those who
come in for hang nail treatment? Why does the emergency room have to treat
every person who shows up at their door as if they are suffering from an acute
heart attack and must be hooked up to a dozen monitors and have three specialist
doctors and five nurses attending them? Why? Just send them to a medical tech
in the building for eval and treatment and send them home with a prescription
for a pain killer.
We all remember your Bail Out, Bob.
Hey Republicans, I'm noticing a trend. In my lifetime (1984-2013) we have
had two Democrats as president Clinton and Obama. Both times the Republicans
throw a fit and shut down the government. Is this just your MO, throw a fit when
you don't get your way? I have a small child, I already am around too many
fits that she throws when she doesn't get her way. I don't need you,
grown men and women, pitching a fit when you don't get your way.
Democrats are to blame for the government shutdown It's no surprise
that the liberal media and The Sun blame the government shutdown — or slim
down — on Republicans, the tea party and Texas Sen. Ted CruzBut The
Sun comes up short when it comes to facts about the shutdown. The
Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted the money required to keep
all government activities going with the exception of Obamacare.Harry Reid
and President Obama refused to accept the money required to run the government
because it left out the money they wanted. Withholding of money is legal (and
not unprecedented) and is also a matter of fact. It's become painfully
obvious that the government shutdown's sole purpose was to protect a sacred
cow via the subrogation of the all important economyMichael Vance Ernest
Sr., Catonsville Copyright The Baltimore Sun
I would ship the 535 to Gitmo and we'd be better off.
With all due respect, Mr Bennett, have you analyzed why The Affordable Health
Care Act is disappoved of by "a majority of Americans." If you would
stop to think, you would know and understand, why "Obamacare is so
unpopular. The left hates it because it didn't go far enough and the right
hates it because it went too far. It is at best a small step in the right
direction toward some kind of universal health care for all citizens. The
world's richest nation can't provide healthcare for the working poor.
One politician recently claimed that the working poor have healthcare, "they
can just go to the emergency room." Any competent medical provider can tell
you that, "just going to the emergency room" is probably the most
expensive way to receive medical care. That and the astronomical bills will
take a lifetime to pay off. A minimum of preventative care could save millions
if not billions. Some allowance for the government to buy medicine more
economically would also save, but Utah's Republicans including you
disallowed that action. So medicines for seniors are grossly overpriced in the
This is a reasonable article, but Obamacare is not going away of itself. There
must be public pressure against it, and the Republicans are expressing the
national sentiment. They are doing their job. Senator Bennett's comments
reflect the weakness that led to his replacement by Mike Lee, who has been
stalwart in opposition to this bad bill.
"Republicans shoot themselves in the foot"This coming from
the scorned reject who can't get himself elected in the most Republican
State in the nation.These career politicians, from both political
sides, are the reason we have a disaster in D.C. and until people wise up and
unite together to vote every single representative out every term until they
start listening and are accountable you should expect more of the same.People think government is a solution. It is actually the source of the
majority of problems we have in this country.Wake up people. Stop
fighting with each other and instead fight these worthless corrupt politicians
who are toying with our financial demise. You are being played!
re:DVDRewind a few years back to the 2010 mid term elections guy. Do
you recall WHY the GOP had a land slide victory in 2010? It was BECAUSE of the
grass roots efforts of the so-called Tea Party and NOT because of establishment
- Bob Bennett - Republicans who have a habit of LOSING elections because they
stand for NOTHING!! Do you even know what the principles of the Tea Party are?
Any idea at all? Let me educate you. 1. Small-limited-government
like our founders envisioned.2. More power to the states to govern
themselves instead of being strong armed by an ever increasing socialist federal
bureaucracy. 3. Abandon wealth redistribution and recognize it for what it
is - one of the foundational pieces of the Communist manifesto. Obamacare is
built upon wealth redistribution.4. More power given to the private sector
to create jobs by giving small business TAX CUTS and removing from ALL business
(small to large) the job killing mandates and taxes of Obamacare.5.
Believing in the private sector as the engine of job creation not the federal
government. Being a friend of small business ...not an enemy.
Bob Bennett says that the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot; well,
I think that they are shooting the economy in the head.
re:RockyrdYou can follow your "liberal lite" John McCain
into the ditch of irrelevance if you like. I will stand with Tea Party
conservatives as they fight for what is left of a constitutional America. The
GOP is in transition and I suspect there is going to be more and more Mike Lee
and Ted Cruz type patriots elected in 2014 because thinking people who DO
actually understand the issues and are literate about their government HATE the
socialist wealth redistribution damage that Obamacare is and will continue to do
to this country and its people.
This is coming from a progressive. Bob, I'm so glad we voted you out of
Thank you again Deseret News for helping me understand more clearly just how
people think and what kind of people they are. NO, I'm not talking about
the articles or the opinion expressed by our former Senator, but the comments
section. That I left the Republican party and the "Rush is right" crowd
15 years ago continues to be validated> Reading the words about the mindset
of the black and white thinkers, the "we're right and they're
evil" crowd... the views most expressed now as 'tea party'
believers. "Filthy Hands" indeed! wzr, look up to see filthy hands, not
Way back when, in 2009, when Obama was trying to create universal health care
coverage for the entire nation, he tried to push through a "Single Payer
System". In other words, Medicare for all! But, the health insurance
companies, and the Republicans fought against it and defeated his efforts.Medicare For All, or the Public Option, or the Single Payer System (they
are one in the same) would have been simpler, easier, and cheaper - by far.
Now, as it is today, doctors spend about 25% of their time just filling out
forms for reimbursement from health insurance companies. Each insurance company
has their own forms, own coding system, and different co-pays. If we had
Medicare for all, there would one form, one code, and one address. What we have
instead is a "patchwork quilt" of confusion with about 30% waste. So,
you can blame the insurance companies and the Republicans for the high cost, and
confusion of today's system - and the shutdown and possible default.
Hmm, well DesertHiker, I guess I need to write some more letters to the House
Republicans telling them to keep up the good work and hold fast. BTW, I'm
Bob,You shot the Republican Party in the foot with your voting
record and your desire to be "liked" rather than actually be a leader.
Mike Lee is doing what you never showed the capacity to do and that
is to lead!
Amen Bob Bennett! The Tea Party is imploding on itself.
The ACA is only unpopular due to the constant barrage of negative attacks by the
gop. People who take the time to educate themselves find it more popular. Even
among republicans, 14% support Obamacare, while 21% support the ACA!
Disinformation and negative attacks taint the poll numbers.
The military and its dependent families has good, reliable medical care, why
can't we extend that system to cover Obamacare enrollees and be done with
The Republican (and Democrat) strategy of redistricting to secure seats in the
house has contributed to this. This is one of the results of gerrymandering.
The other is the Republican Tea Party strategy of getting only the
extreme votes in 2010 and some in 2012 as well. Utah (via the LDS church)
showed how to defeat this with the Lillenquist - Hatch primary in 2012. Get the
mass of voters actually participating in the primary process and you get a more
moderate result. The ones standing against compromise because they
fear a primary could do well to see their way back into office by doing what
Utah did last year and positioning themselves to benefit by showing moderation.
No compromise - no democracy.
It's their second amendment right.
@10CC "...the big issues our country faced, and still faces."One of the biggest issues we face is that our children and grandchildren are
being sold into slavery in the form of staggering, debilitating debt. Only a few
leaders are facing it squarely. (The very same leaders you excoriate.) Ted Cruz
and Mike Lee are doing exactly what they were sent to Washington to do, and
showing remarkable courage. They are the rational ones. Anyone who thinks we can
continue running up debt at the current rate is simply delusional.@thebig1 "Mr. Hatch, where are you?"He's sitting in
the Senate clubhouse writing an email dispatch about how brave he is to take on
Obama, while Senator Lee does all the heavy lifting.
I wanted posters to know earlier today I received my 'Obamacare enrollment
packet' from the White House. It contained:An aspirin and a
Band-Aid.An 'Obama Hope & Change' bumper stickerA
'Bush's Fault' yard signA 'Blame Republicans first,
then anybody and everybody' posterA 'Tax the Rich'
bannerAn application for unemployment and a free cellphoneAn
application for food stampsA prayer rugA letter assigning my debt to
my grandchildrenEverything was made in 'China' and all
directions were in Spanish. Keep an eye out. Yours should be arriving soon.
I find it curious that the Democrats' strategy of using this impasse as an
opportunity to inflict the maximum possible pain on the citizens whom they
"serve" doesn't raise more anger directed toward Democrats,
especially when the reason for the shutdown is an attempt to flush a disastrous
mistake of a bill that will arguably cause even more pain and suffering over the
years than a prolonged shutdown. They have demonstrated beyond a reasonable
doubt how much they despise the common folk. But apparently the general public
isn't bright enough to figure that out. I guess we'll end up with the
government we deserve.
I agree with Blue. When I was younger, and more liberal, I could engage in
stimulating, thoughtful exchanges of ideas with conservative friends about the
big issues our country faced, and still faces.Where are the
thoughtful conservatives today? My sense is they're hiding, waiting for
this tsunami of low wattage tea-party anger - and frankly, mindlessness - to
pass, to fade back into the ignorance where it orginated.If you look
at how badly the Tea-Partiers have handled this political situation, you get a
good idea of how well they could manage something far, far more complex and
sophisticated: the US economy.The parade of tea-partiers who are -
let's face it - an insult to the conservative pedigree is astounding and
show no signs of abating. We had Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann (who had no
idea what a default would do to the economy), and now we have a large number of
fools on the right in the House, cheered and led by Ted Cruz and Mike Lee.I'm not in search of some liberal utopia. I want balanced
governance.When will rational Republicans reappear?
As far as I'm concerned, we should burn the whole thing down. The
government is paying guards to keep us out of our parks and memorials, instead
of paying people to clean them up? Obama and his cronies won't be part of
Obama care, but I am forced by law to accept it? The media is so busy giving
air time to their favorite talking heads on both sides of the aisle that they
never actually ask the REAL questions, but instead ask leading questions
designed to get a sound bite?What we really need to do is outlaw
parties entirely, so we can get back to politicians that represent the people,
instead of the party line. Then maybe they can keep the useless overbearing
money wasting 80% of the federal government closed down, as it should be.
Blue: Republicans are "petty, vindictive, doctrinaire and belligerently
ignorant as they appear to be?" Really? Yellowstone Park, WWII Memorial,
Vietnam Memorial, Lincoln Memorial, the turnout on the highway to look at the
Tetons, Veteran's Benefits, etc. Petty? I think that POTUS is the King of
those adjectives. And "King" is much more literal than anyone would care
to admit. Sure, the PR dept of the Dems is alive and well - declaring the death
of conservatism. Mike Lee is a patriot and a hero - without any pettiness or
vindictiveness. If you cared about knowing the truth, you would sit with him
for just a moment and know that your accusations are unfounded. The mirror must
be a scary place for you to look. As it is for the author of this op-ed piece.
Balderdash - Bennett is a sore loser because Mike Lee ousted him from congress.
The people of Utah wanted a conservative and not a purple fence sitter like
Bennett. Bennett was cozy with Harry Reid and his other buddies in the senate
and stood for nothing. Mike is doing what we sent him to do. Also this
ridiculous notion that some have that if ONLY the GOP would have just signed
everything that Harry and Barack wanted - put no fuss up about about Obamacare -
suddenly out of the blue people would love them in November 2014 and vote for
them. Really?? Come on people. The people who are going to vote democrat do so
to get hand outs and that's about it. To suggest that if the GOP just plays
nice with Harry and Barack people will then love them and vote for them is
beyond naive. It's stupid and false. The GOP did themselves no harm by
standing up to Barack and Harry but they did show people - the people who are
TRUE conservatives - that indeed they will do what they said they would. It was
the Tea Party that won in 2010 people - REMEMBER??
I have the taste of sour grapes in my mouth. Thank you Mike Lee for you fire,
grit and determination. Something the author had none of, and Mr Hatch where
Someone please explain to me how obama/reid have compromised during this pseudo
crisis. Give me some facts and not MSNBC talking points. The answer is 0,
zip, nada. The only mistake the GOP made is not hiring Putin to negotiate,
cause we all know how those work out with our fearless leader.
@blueYou are right except substitute the Democrat party. The
tragically sad truth is, they're exactly as petty, vindictive, doctrinaire
and belligerently ignorant as they appear to be. Sounds like obama/reid/pelosi
to me. I could say other things but the moderator would shoot me down.
I'm so glad we got rid of this useless senator. If only we would have had
the brains to get rid of hatch as well. I blame Chaffetz for that one.
The humor is watching the Republicans and the Democrats feud here about this, or
any number of topics, as if there is any substantive difference between the
parties. How naive can you be!
The Authority: "Come on Republican Party, you're better than
this!"Oh how I wish that were true. A generation ago I had many
strongly conservative friends with whom I could and frequently did have
stimulating, passionate, thought-provoking and productive conversations about
public policy. Objectivity and honesty ruled, even when we disagreed about how
to interpret the evidence. When one side lost an argument, both sides understood
why and celebrated the "teachable moment" gained from the exercise. And
that was when I was significantly more liberal than I am now!But
today? I'm still liberal, but not remotely like I was in my 20's. Look
around and pay close attention to conservatives today. Listen carefully to the
people shaping today's GOP. The tragically sad truth is, they're
exactly as petty, vindictive, doctrinaire and belligerently ignorant as they
appear to be. I take no joy in observing the orgy of
self-destruction that is now destroying a once-respected political party.
What former Senator Bennett didn't want to admit is that when the
Republicans shot themselves in the foot, it was with a blank supplied by a
Democrat. Neither one of these parties knows how to solve problems, which is
why I support Senator Lee. If this had been O.K. by Republican standards, I
would have known that Mike Lee was not the man do do the job of Senator.
He's up against a uni-party system that is so bereft of common sense, and
so full of corruption, we would be better off with a default so as to reboot the
entire system. Whether Mike Lee is right or wrong, if anyone actually thinks
that the Republicans have a better plan, other than to sit idly back and retain
their power the next election, you are naive. If you don't think the
Democrats ought to be booted out of existence, then you have been fooled twice.
This whole thing was probably set up as a ruse by both parties to cleanse anyone
against the party line, Lee and Cruz being just one flank of the Republican
"Robert Bennett: Republicans shoot themselves in the foot"======= and head, and mouth, and...
The Republicans are fighting a fight they already lost. Trying to defund it was
never going to work, and now they're paying a price for shutting down the
government. The sad thing is Obama is going to come out of this smelling
like a rose, and be stronger than ever. Yeah, everyone hates Obamacare. So what?
What's the alternative?The Republicans seem to think that doing
nothing is the alternative, let the free market sort it out. The problem is the
free market has exploited people's need for healthcare to the point that
it's completely unaffordable for the majority of the country. So yeah,
Obamacare has problems, but what's the alternative for fixing a broken
system? It needs to be fixed, and playing these games of obstruction are making
conservatives look terrible, and losing future votes.Come on Republican
Party, you're better than this!
@WRZ... when Rand Paul starts saying things like they have gone to far, things
just might have gone too far with the Cruz and Lee crowd. "Republicans opposed Obamacare and other big government spending to save
the country from destruction rather than to get reelected"Oh
please - give me a break. Both sides say what they think their base wants to
hear. Pretending otherwise is just being ill informed, or delusional.
Pretending one demonic side is only saying stuff to get votes, while the saintly
other side is just trying to save this nation of our children is reticulated.@oldschool... Lee and company may be standing for something... but they
are achieving nothing... not because of their cause, but because of their
tactics. No one wants to pay higher taxes.. no one.Lets stop the
"I know you are but what am I" tactics... and act like adults and fix
@T. Party:"The inevitable is that Obamacare will fail, and the
Democrats now own it lock, stock, and barrel."Obamacare will
(and should) fail... but the failure will not rise to the status of being a
national disaster. Why? Because the liberal media will see to it that the
failure is kept quiet. And if it does rise to the level of a national concern
the liberal media will make sure that Republicans are to blame.
I guess what you're saying to us, Uncle Bob, is that the Republicans
should-a caved in... in order to avoid an cave-in.Republicans
opposed Obamacare and other big government spending to save the country from
destruction rather than to get reelected. Democrats are merely trying to get
reelected so they can control all of government again. They got giddy when they
controlled all three branches and pushed Obamacare through. They're
rubbing their (filthy) hands with glee looking for a repeat.
The way for a Republican to shoot himself in the foot is to start voting for tax
increases, spending increases, new entitlements, new and bigger federal programs
and to vote to confirm liberal extremists to court and other positions. Which
is exactly what Bennett did and why he is now sitting on the sidelines, where he
has the easy job of criticizing those who are finally trying to trim the size
and scope of our federal government, stop the implementation of the worst
economy-busting entitlement we have ever seen, reduce the size of our deficits,
including the gigantic $70+ trillion unfunded liability that Bennett and his ilk
left to us, our children and our grandchildren. I,for one,welcome the likes of
Chaffetz, Lee and Cruz, who are actually standing for something.
Obamacare is based on a failed model that will continue to fail while
Bennett-Wyden would have changed the market back into what insurance should have
been. Obamacare needs to be scrapped and a new plan that has both sides working
together (not just Democrats, Not just republicans) to bring about a plan that
Do you all really think it's just one political party making all this mess
and "shooting themselves in the foot". Both political parties, at least
significant numbers and major players, are creating this debacle. For all we
know, they are planning this division and steamrolling the entire country. They
are in cahoots and are all relishing the game they are playing with business and
personal lives. None (few) have any real care for us. They'll destroy the
gov't before they'll let us prosper.
Obamacare will need adjustments as any new system does. Bennett-Wyden would have
been subject to the same complications at first, so Sen. Bennett shouldn't
be too catty about the problems with Obamacare.
@Duckhunter - do you remember all the work that was put into making sure Y2K
issues didn't happen? If you are thinking the problems didn't come up
because they were fake, you are ill served. Your statement shows a fundamental
lack of knowledge of what the Y2K problem was, and how it was resolved... via
lots of hard work.That said... Y2K was easy compared to this. It
was Binary. It was definable, trackable, and resolvable. The stubborn hard
headiness that is creating this problem is none of the above. Its all about
emotion at this point... because solving the problem, gaining compromise is not
as hard as these people are making it.
Bailout Bob is celebrating too early. The tea party lost a battle in order to
win the war. People will remember years from now that we tried our best to stop
Obamacare before it harmed the country. They will also remember that the
Democrats were willing to shut down the government in order to preserve this
disastrous law.The inevitable is that Obamacare will fail, and the
Democrats now own it lock, stock, and barrel.
I could see the tea party splitting off from the republicans in the short
future. But this will just make the democrats more powerful. Hopefully it will
allow my Libertarian party to grow bigger.
Normally I'd be jumping for joy at a headline like this, but their
stupidity doing our nation a lot of harm.
bennett we all remember your doomsday Y2K predictions and what a laugh that
turned out to be. We also all remember how you consistently sold out
conservative values to the dems in the senate and capitulated to their every
desire. Your track record of being right is laughably bad so I take absolutely
zero worry from your dire predictions.
I can't wait until this next election!That Tea Party dun gonna
take it on the chin!!! The Tea Party is going the way of the dodo
bird. Thank heavens!
"Robert Bennett: Republicans shoot themselves in the foot"No, they are shooting us all in the foot. Just ask world leaders and business
leaders and a whole host of Republicans. And over what? Because
they don't want to pay the bills that our congress voted on.Look, I agree that we spend too much. We have a large deficit. But, this is
not the way to fix that problem.
Senator Bennett,You called this one before it happened.Blue and Unreconstructed Bob,Too funny.
Shot themselves in the foot? More like jumped on a landmine that they threw
right in front of themselves.
"Robert Bennett: Republicans shoot themselves in the foot"Shooting themselves in the foot I could live with, but it's much worse
than that. They've handed machine guns to a handful of petulant rubes and
are now tut-tutting the body count and looking desperately for a way to blame
There are many issues Repubs could be using to politically pummel Obama
presently: The disastrous Obamacare rollout, deepening Obamacare unpopularity,
amateurish foreign policy destroying respect for the US in the Middle East, Iran
emboldened to pursue nuclear weapons by wishy washy American resolve, the list
goes on. Instead of racking up political points to be used in upcoming
elections to gain the majority that would give them power to really do something
about Obamacare, they have manufactured one of the few issues that is a loser
for them (The government shutdown), created a crisis that has sucked up all the
political oxygen, completely distracted attention from the very real
shortcomings of the Obamacare rollout, and discredited themselves in the eyes of
much of the electorate as grown-up players who can be trusted to govern. Far
from hurting Obama politically, they have completely bailed him out! Sen Lee has
been among the worst offenders. We need representation in Washington that
advocates for Conservative ideals in an intelligent way. What we've been
getting these past weeks is the diametric opposite. We deserve better.
The latest polls show the Republican Party with an approval rating of 24%, with
many self-described Republicans even disapproving of their party. Keep up the
good work, we Democrats can just sit back and watch you guys win the next
election cycle for us.