No blame to the tea party, they need to acknowledge the mistake and disband.
Placing blame seldom fixes a problem.
The Tea party Republicans are to blame.Sadly all other Republicans
were also being held hostage by the Tea Party folks. In a way they're
I am having a hard time following some logic. Maybe someone can help me. Can
someone give me what both Republicans and Democrats have compromised?Here is what I understand to this point: budget levels were compromised and
agreed upon by both sides and this is what is being called the clean CR. I also
understand that the Republicans want to defund the Affordable Care Act. They
have compromised in saying that they will only postpone funding for six
weeks.It appears the Democrats will not go for this compromise
because if they do, the budget will pass (except for the affordable care act)
and the power is returned to the Republicans because they can reject all
attempts to fund "Obamacare" in six weeks. So, postponing appears to be
exactly the same as not funding it.I also understand that if the
house leaders would put the Clean CR up for a vote, it would pass. It appears
any budget the House votes on at this point will pass. The Senate, on the other
hand, will only pass a clean CR and that is the only budget house leaders will
not allow a vote on.
The reason that the Republicans are receiving greater blame than the Democrats,
is because they are 100% responsible for the shutdown of the US government. The
fact that the Democrats are receiving any blame at all is a sad commentary on
the state of journalism in this country. I constantly hear the media preaching
a false equivalency on this issue.
Funny how the same conservatives claiming that money spent on National Parks is
a waste of money, are now suddenly up in arms about the Parks being closed. All
things opposing Obama is their only agenda.
The Government shutdown is a Tea-Party dream come true.They wanted
the Federal Government shutdown and cutdown to the bare-bones minimum.Now
they've got it!Get used to it, because this would all be
permanent if they get their way.
There are consequences for desperately and illogically shutting down government
to repeal funded laws. Here they come.
@ The Skeptical Chymist and fellow liberal extremists:Yes, Obamacare
was legally passed in the short window when there was no balance in the
legislature. It was actually ramrodded thru more than bills ordinarily passed.
Never in the history of our government has such a big bill pushed thru with such
little debate and understanding. Truth be known, nobody knew enough about it to
even debate or ask questions. It was (is) a big mystery.Slavery and
Prohibition were both legally passed as well. Thankfully, people had the
strength and insight to fight those bad laws and get them reversed. The
Tea-party is doing exactly the same thing with a bad law now. History will
vindicate their current actions. It's a verifiable fact that
the majority of Americans are opposed to Obamacare. It's almost
unbelievable that people like you think it's OK to ram such a law down our
throats.Republicans are simply asking that people receive the same
consideration that Obama has already given to his special interest groups... the
option of waiting a year to sign up while the worst parts of this gigantic law
get fixed. Totally reasonable and understandable!
I don't get it.Money can be found to bomb Syria, and supply
Egypt with financial aid, but not open White House tours.Close
national parks, but we can arm Syrian rebels?No wonder a thirty
seven percent approval rating. Who are those 37% anyway?
The conventional wisdom was correct. The republicans would be blamed, and this
has come to fruition. They shouldn't be surprised, we shouldn't be
surprised, and they deserve it.
Having the spend-thrift government shut down isn't necessarily a bad thing.
What is a bad thing is all the finger-pointing from those who refuse to
negotiate, take up any bills that don't match their exact desires, or talk
of making everything whole again by paying those furloughed after the mess is
over and who didn't lift a finger during it. Ever see what happens when
you expect something for nothing? It's high time the feds,
states, counties and cities got their spending of someone else's money
under control. Unlimited debt ceilings is not a wise course and eventually it
comes to a screeching halt. That has finally started to happen. Bravo!!
Sure the GOP is going to get the blame.....its an AP article and they have their
lock-step Obama marching orders! This is not even close to the 1995 shutdown
where GOP was to blame 45-25..... today it is within the margin of error of 3-5%
and a WIN for the GOP and a LOSS for the Regime!
That would depend on who does the polling - this is AP so you have to be suspect
of the data. If you select your sample carefully you can get just about any
result you want. Interesting that the media is not making much about Obama being
at 37%, when George Bush was at this level they celebrated. Other polls have
different results - the blame should go to Obama and Reid. The House has sent
many bills that would fund the government - but Reid won't bring them up
for a vote and Obama has said he will veto them. So who is to blame???
Wait until the bulk of the harsh effects of Obamacare kick in for people as the
months roll on ...job loss, hours cut, insurance premiums sky rocket up,
unfamiliar doctors forced upon people, procedures denied, and the list goes
on.... The wealth redistribution idea is going to go over like a brick over the
head. I suspect the next presidential executive order will be to fine anyone who
speaks out against Obamacare. Outrageous? Nothing surprises me with this
character anymore. The 37% approval will seem like the good ole days for the
Worf - if Obama is in charge... well, lets have a clean CR with no riders on it,
and see how it goes. Problem is, Obama can't bring things up for a vote.
I know you want to saintify one side, and deamonize the other, but there are two
sides to this coin.Both sides are complicit here. Both are
demanding the other side compromise, while they themselves refuse. Any
interpretation of events other than that is just not honest. The
House wants Obama to cannibalize existing law, without going through the process
of passing a new one. Obama wants a clean CR without any concessions on
entitlements. Neither are going to get what they are asking for...
that is why it is called negotiations.
The real story is that Obama's job approval rating is at 37%--it's
lowest point ever. To give you perspective, the lowest George Bush's
approval got to was 36%. The media had a heyday when that happened.But on this one, the media points the finger a different direction.
People who blame the GOP for the shut down just aren't informed. Too bad
but this is normal these days. The lame stream media distorts, lies and covers
for Obama and that isn't going to change any time soon and for those poor
ignorant souls who rely on the hear say from CNN or MSNBC are going to be
misled. At the end of the day - the GOP only wanted congress not to be exempted
from Obamacare as well as Barack's big business buddies and unions. No go.
In other words - the GOP just wanted WE the people to be treated the same as
congress but Barack and Harry wouldn't hear of it. This is an obvious and
simple compromise and for anyone who is actually informed this would be simple
to see who is REALLY not willing to compromise and who is therefore responsible
for the shut down. It is NOT reasonable EVER for a president to refuse to
negotiate ANYTHING but this guy in the White House is historic in the sense that
he is NOT willing to even talk. It is Barack's way or no way. That
RE: The Skeptical Chymist = Best and most accurate comment EVER!Let
me just get this straight, those of you who have been yelling from the rooftops
for the last 5 years about the Government being to big and intruding into your
lives now want that very Government to step in and open the parks? Really? The
Senate and House are in gridlock subsequently closing our Government down and
this is the best thing the Republicans can come up with? Closed National Parks?
Are you people serious? You know what happens when you close a
Government down? Your National Parks close with it! And oh yea, Soldiers who
gave all for their country don't get their Death Benefits passed on to
their grieving families! Sorry, apparently Republicans getting some kind of
concession on who knows what is much more important. Here is an idea, if you
don't like it why don't you contact Mr. "A government Lee, and
tell him so! By the way, if we don't pass a budget and go past
the debt ceiling we are all going to have a lot more to worry about than the
The GOP is not in charge.It's not:* George Bush* The Tea Party* Republicans* Ted Cruz* Mitt Romney*
Rush LimbaughWho is in charge? Who is the commander in chief? Does
he know how to work with checks & balances?
@SCfanThat's funny, Conservatives I would think would generally
want to avoid comparisons between President Washington and Obama if it would
cast the former in a negative light.But if you
At SCfan that tells me the GOP can't find a candidate that people like. How
could the GOP lose the election of 2012? I believe people would rather elect the
devil known rather than the devil unknown. If the GOPkeeps making people
take extreme positions outside the mainstream they will become even more
obsolete on the national stage. Look at Mitt Romney he said he believed in man
made climate change could you image what the extreme members of the GOPwould have done if he said that in the primaries. Most people are mainstream
either just left if center or right of center.
BlueI didn't want to rub it in, so I left it out of my first
post, but Obama was the Only President, besides Washington under a different
system, to get less votes for his reelection than for his first election. The
only one! Now what does THAT say. To me, plenty.
Who's to blame? Republicans say Obama is because he won't negotiate.
When you negotiate you give some and you get some. In order to give something
you have to have responsibility for it, so to speak own it. The Republicans
want President Obama to give the ACA. What do the Republicans have to offer?
One thing and one thing only, the funding of the government. So therefor they
must have responsibility for it, or own it. Who's responsible for the
shutdown of the government, the Republicans. By asking for negotiations and
offering to fund the government they admit they own the shutdown, not the
Democrats not the President, the Republicans.
It seems like the low information voters on the right are going to see Hillary
win in 2016. I can't wait!!
Hillary's lickin her chops! Things lookin real good for 2016 2020! As we
speak, she and Bill are probably out shopping for new trappings for the west
wing. Thanks to the Tea bunch, life is good for the left leaners!
nothing suprising about this headline
WilliamLee- Way to go. Most of the voters here in Utah should be ashamed of
themselves. They keep voting for the same career politicians over and over and
expect a different result. Anyone who voted for any of our representative more
than once, have no say. Wake up Utahns.
Alternative headline for this article:"Poll: The Whole Federal
Government Sucks, Regardless of Claimed Political Views"
@Viva la Migra"I'm sure the "unbiased" news sources like
AP have nothing to do with the poll."Uh... the poll has Obama at
37% approval and you think it's skewed left? The AP poll has one of the
lowest supports for Obama in any recent poll. Todays' Rasmussen (Republican
leaning) poll has Obama approval at 50-49. The Real Clear Politics average of
recent polls has it at 44.5-50.0, that's probably around where it actually
SCFan, Obama's reelection margin in 2012 was bigger than Bush's in
2004. So what does that say?
I'm sure the "unbiased" news sources like AP have nothing to do
with the poll. When I hear stories about Military families being denied
benefits (a decision made by Obama) paired with a mention that the "GOP
House Gym is still open", I wonder what the reporter is attempting.... They
could have just as easily mentioned that Obama's golf course is still open,
while for the first time ever during a shutdown, all of the base commissaries
are closed.It seems our Petulant President is focused on inflicting
as much pain as possible on citizens by erecting new fencing around otherwise
constantly open monument, forcing private home owners and businesses to shut
down because they are located near National Parks, yet no mention by the press
about the illegal alien amnesty rally held at the previously shut National Mall
It's good to see that finally some of Obamas nearly 5 years in office are
now beginning to show some effect. 37%. Maybe the "It's Bushs
fault" thing is finally wearing off. Time for Obama to call Bill Clinton
who will refer him to Dick Morris who will run polls that show what the people
want the President to say and do. That's how Clinton kept his poll numbers
The Dems did get more votes in the recent presidential election as a result of
fraud in the big cities. The reason for the resistance of Mr.Lee is that we are
$100 trillion in debt not $7 trillion. Somehow we have to get this under
control before we become another Greece.
@CPA HowardBoth chambers of Congress vote on budgets... and more people
voted for Democrats in the House than Republicans (the problem is a ton of
Republican Governors and state legislators drew maps with districts where Dems
would win 80-20 but Republicans would win 60-40 in their districts, that's
how in say... Ohio, a state Obama won, you have something like 13:5
Republican:Democratic house members.
This GOP is not my grandfather's GOP.He is rolling in his
grave. The likes of Lee and his ilk have given a very deep and long-lasting
black eye to this once-proud organization.And the payback will be
that the nation will very likely elect Hillary as President for the next two
terms.Way to go, Republicans!You have all those guns and you
are shooting yourselves in all your feet.The once that aren't in your
Pres. Obama and Harry Reid (representing the democratic party) are solely
responsible for the shutdown. They say they are open to compromise only when
the deck is stacked in their favor--which defeats the nature of true compromise.
How has that worked out pre-shutdown? Oh yeah, they haven't compromised on
anything yet which is why we are still talking CRs instead of budgets. So why
should Republicans believe them, take them at their hollow words that somehow if
they cave in then all of a sudden the dems and the lunatic Reid will play nice
after they have all the power and leverage?Thank goodness for men
like Cruz and Lee who have the guts to stand up and say No! No we are not going
to roll over and let you bankrupt our country without a fight.
It doesn't really matter who get's blamed for the shutdown, but they
better stop spending money on government scams before they start things back
up.Power to the People.The government better give us our
land back or they will face a whole nation of Revolutionists.
@Meckofahessyour opinion is as backwards as your screen name. First
off, all parties involved are somewhat to blame. However, look at facts; not
media or personal opinions. Fact number one. Democrats, including our dictator
president, REFUSE to negotiate. For obama it is his way or the highway. The GOP
were greatly infulential in the shutdown but at least they are speaking and
attempting negotiations. I thought the government doens't negotiate with
terrorists but the GOP is trying and the 'terrorists', dictator and
followers, will not negotiate at all. And until they do, good luck America. If
the GOP gives in and the Unaffordable Care Act continues unchanged, here comes
the next recession if not depression.
Where does the blame lie? It lies with every single one of the members of the
Senate and every single member of the House and the President. Ultimately it
lies with every single American that has supported and elected (over and over
again) these career politicians. These career politicians have no clue how to
compromise and listen to both sides. They only look out for their better
interest. You know that is the truth when they enact specific laws to cover
their own agendas and to set themselves above anyone else. Every one of them
feels they are entitled to special treatment just because they were elected.
That should not be the case. They are a servant to the people and they should
remember that. Should there be term limits? By all means, our founding fathers
served their time and went back to their previous jobs. No President received a
continuing paycheck until after Harry Truman. They lived on their one finances
and investments. Washington needs to be cleaned up, and it should start from
the top down.
@churchmemeber & @maxpower: If you really wanna get into the whole
gerrymandering debate, both parties do it when they have a majority in a state.
Don't just blame the Dems. I mean, if you look at NYC, several of their
districts have 2 separate parts, just so they can keep the Dems in office. So
don't just blame the GOP. Also, just because they got more
votes overall, still doesn't mean anything when the House is divide into
districts. The GOP won more districts across the country, hence their majority
in the House. If the Dems were so popluar across the nation, the states would
show that with more Dem control and more gerrymander their way so they would
have won more in the House.
Max PowerObama got less reelection votes than he got in his first
term. Not the Obama support you think it was when millions who voted for him
the first time did not vote for him the 2nd time.
Thank you mr obama, for leaving the golf course at andrews AFB open through this
crisis. Heaven Forbid we take away your play place the way you've taken
ours. Want to blame republicans for the shut down? Take a look into
who decides what stays open and what is closed. Then take a look at the number
of bills that both the senate and the house have passed and sent to the other
throughout all this. The house has done 10 times more to end this. The senate
hasn't done hardly a thing. Thanks Media for continuing to screw the
american people out of the truth!!
Let me say it again; .Senior Admin. Official: 'We Are Winning...It
Doesn't Really Matter to Us' When Shutdown Ends. Care to rethink your
Duh! The media has been in Obama's pocket since the campaign trail began
(and still continues). Of course they're going to blame the Republicans.
Would the DesNews or its sister station KSL ever, ever blame Obama for anything?
No! They're also a happy surrogate. And will the media report
that Obama stated yesterday that he refuses to negotiate (which would be
received negatively by the public)? Of course not. How can this get resolved
with negotiation?And when this ends, is there any question that the
media will credit Obama?
Playing the game of "Who gets the Blame" is a great tactic to divide
Americans while doing nothing. The continual need to "Raise the Debt
Limit" is positive proof that our Nat'l Gov't has no fiscal
responsibility. Further proof of this is shown by annual "Deficit
Spending" and wanting to continue or increase those levels. We
need to send a clear message to both the Executive and Legislative Branches of
our Gov't. They need to eliminate this Spending Problem. To put it
plainly we need to increase the Limit by $1tn to pay any current debts and
reduce the Budget by $1tn so that we can start paying down the principal on the
Nat'l Debt. And this needs to occur NOW. Not supposed savings that will
happen in 10 or 20 years, but right now in the next 12 months. And it needs to
continue until the Nat'l Debt is again below $3tn.
Nonsense.What this poll really shows is that the biased news media
has successfully misled the American people once again. They have convinced the
low information types to believe the liberal propaganda that somehow Republicans
passing multiple bills to fund various parts of the government, or even all of
it except Obamacare makes it the Republican's fault. They totally ignore
or downplay that fact the Democrats Obama and Reid and their cronies have
refused to accept the funding passed by the Republican House.The
shutdown, as well as our imminent economic collapse are the work of the
Democrats. Admittedly, Republicans must share some of the blame for the
unrestrained spending which is causing it.When you offer your
teenager an allowance of $20, but they refuse it and demand $100 instead, who
should be blamed when the teenager has zero money? (Today, that's a trick
question- the answer would be the Republicans.....)
To CPA Howard:Actually in 2012 the democrats received 1.5 million
MORE votes than the Republicans if you total up all of the HOUSE races. It is
because of gerrymandering of districts that the Republicans have control of the
house. So using your logic, more Americans want the ACA than
A new Rasmussen poll shows that 71% of Republicans want the GOP to continue
holding out on Obamacare.
Is it so important to decide who gets the blame? When my kids fight usually
both have blame.IMO... The Republicans did over-reach with the
repeal campaign, but they have backed off and made several smaller proposals
since. Democrats haven't moved an inch the whole time (think compromise
means just the other side gives). I think if the Senate would even vote on any
of the House proposals, or even find ONE THING they could bend on... Republicans
would take that opportunity to end it. The Democrats demand of unconditional
surrender is preventing progress now.Demanding unconditional,
complete, and humiliating surrender is often an impediment to compromise (and
more for show than for real compromise). It doesn't work when the other
side doesn't have to surrender (it only works if you can threaten to drop
another nuke on them if they don't surrender).Maybe the Debt
Ceiling crisis IS that next Nuke the Democrats can threaten to use to bring the
Republicans to their knees and submit to unconditional surrender on the
budget.I want to see who gets credit for ending it. BTW...
Obama's approval rating sank to 37% today. Just sayin...
i would like to know who this "37"%"are.
@CPA Howard"The only poll that really matters is the one
conducted every two years by the actual voters and not the likely voters. In the
last poll conducted (2012) the majority of Americans decided the House of
Representatives should control the purse strings and eliminate the affordable
health care act by voting for the Republicans."=================Democrats actually got more votes nation wide
than republican in the house. Gerrymandering at its finest. These same people
also validated the ACA by re-electing the President who ran on it, and the
democrats also gained seats in both houses. Not the republican
victory you think it was.
At least SOMEONE will stand and do something about the messes our public and
President have created! Thank-you to all you Republicans, tea party people,
etc. Now, open the doggone National Parks...the rest of government...stay shut
down. That way, you can do no damage to our nation! By the way, message to
states...take back our public lands from the monstrosity called Federal
The House Republicans continue to pass bills to fund all of the government,
except Obamacare which the CBO says we can not afford, and Harry Reid won't
even let be brought up in the Senate. If the media for one week
actually did their job objectively the polls would change dramatically and the
Democrats would compromise. So who exactly is responsible for this?
You want to get the government back operating. Have the blame put on the
Democrats for the shutdown instead of the Republicans. As soon as the polls
changed to Democrat responsibility, you can bet Obama and Reid would move to end
the shutdown. Right now the shutdown is benefiting the Democrats and the longer
it helps them, and hurts Republicans, the longer the shutdown will go on.
The tea party Republicans are driving the country into the ditch. When the
economy crashes again (as it will if they fail to extend the debt limit), will
the country finally rebel against them? These know-nothing idiots (Mike Lee,
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and their cronies in the House) are so vehemently against
government that they will PROVE that it doesn't work by demolishing it. A
true self-fulfilling prophecy! And they don't care about anyone who gets
hurt in the process.The ACA was legitimately passed by the House, by
the Senate, approved by the President, and approved by the Supreme Court. The
President was re-elected, in part as a referendum on the ACA. The Senate
remains in Democratic hands, in part a referendum on the ACA. Yet the bullies
in the gerrymandered House claim the right to hold the entire country hostage in
order to get rid of it. They are so afraid that people will discover it works
that they want to nip it in the bud, and they will destroy the country in order
to save their skins!
I wonder if the sample used in the pol was unbiased. If the group conducting
the poll show a bias towards a group then the results will usually favor that
group. In past polls conducted by media groups and organizations that favor the
democrat view point, the sample population will be weighted towards that group.
The only poll that really matters is the one conducted every two years by the
actual voters and not the likely voters. In the last poll conducted (2012) the
majority of Americans decided the House of Representatives should control the
purse strings and eliminate the affordable health care act by voting for the
Republicans.Some will argue that majority of Americans wanted the
affordable health care act by reelecting the President; however that isn't
true because congressional districts are based on the population within a
specific area. The founders of this Country wanted the House of
Representative to control the purse strings because they would be more
responsive to the will of the people because they are elected every two
years.If you don't like your current congressional
representative show them the door in 2014. Until then remember elections have
The real blame lies with the American Public. We elected these so called
"representatives" and they have failed miserably. The accumlated
understanding of free market economies for all our congressional delagates could
fit on the head of a pin. 1. Live within your means. 2. Save 10% of your income
for future unknowns. 3. Everyone works doing something. Even those with
diabilities, mental or physical, can contribute. 4. Work ethic must be
re-enthroned. 5. Compassion on others is an attribute, not a federal demand. 6.
Congressional people ought to be less self absorbed and more constituent
educated. 7. NOTHING IS FREE, AND PRINTING MORE MONEY DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
8. All Americans must come to know and live according to the understanding that
the Western Hemisphere is a Land Of Promise, only if we follow the teachings of
there is only one reason for the shutdown and one solution. Boehner had
multiple conversations with Harry Reid early this summer and they negotiated and
agreed on a level of CR funding. Harry Reid passed it through the Senate, then
Boehner said oh wait I've changed my mind. You need to shut down the ACA
also. That's it. That's the sum total of the problem. There is no
other problem. The solution, pass a clean CR like Boehner agreed to in the
beginning and raise the debt ceiling. Leave the ACA out of this.
The GOP deservedly should get the blame for this shutdown!. The extremist
tea-party republicans are the principle leaders of this shameful strategy. Utah
Senator Mike Lee has taken a prominent roll in this disaster. Senator
Lee's judgement on this is a black eye on the State of Utah. I am totally
embarrassed that we Utahns elected such a radical and extremist right wing
politician!. When Utah voters elected Senator Lee, I doubt they expected he
would be quite this radical? What a shame that Senator Bob Bennett was forced
out by the GOP. He was a much more sensible and wise representative from Utah.
He would never have supported this shutdown the way Mike Lee has. Come next
election, let us remember this shameful stance Sentator Lee has taken and elect
a more moderate and reasonable representative from this great State. Utah and
the nation deserves better!