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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 8 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's a good thing that Obamacare isn't government run healthcare. Every part of the system is still privately owned. Hospitals, Doctors, Clinics, Labs, Pharmacies and Pharmaceutical Companies, and Health Insurance Companies. Every single one of them, still privately owned and operated.

rabbut
Ogden, UT

The only thing that is clear is that electing people who want to shut down the government is probably not the best idea. The tea party has been telegraphing this since their inception and it should come as no surprise that they shut down the government they so despise.

sergio
Phoenix, AZ

A worse idea would be to leave it to big business.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The conservative tea party and Senator Lee invoked the hostage of government unsuccessfully defund or repeal a funded established law. No following law and procedure is the real danger to our country.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Do you really want a government that enjoys threatening the welfare of our citizens in charge of our health care?"

Of course not Roseanne.

Because the whole healthcare system was running just fine before. NOT.

With an aging population, the trajectory of healthcare costs will bankrupt our country.
We pay the highest in the world and get far from the best outcome.

We can either do nothing (GOP plan) or try something (ACA).

I'm a gambler. Because I know the GOP plan (do nothing) is not sustainable.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Lots of people agree with the letter writer. For decades this was "discussed" but no one ever made a move to try and do anything.
Democrats didn't waste their chance when they had the house, senate, and presidency.
Our job now should be to amend the bill over time to get it right.

If you don't have a alternative solution, its going to be hard to be heard.

Ranch
Here, UT

I hope Roseanne never needs to use her "private" health care. She's likely to find they won't cover what she's already paid for. They'll find some "pre-existing condition" (i.e., she was born) to deny her coverage.

Hamath
Omaha, NE

Agreed that Gov't run health care is a bad idea... but doesn't it seem that the gov't is getting the necessary things done? I don't see how shutting down a few parks, while keeping all necessary gov't services proves your point that well.

What one could assume that in the future the gov't would become so dysfunctional as to not maintain even services that they deem as necessary. Course if we get to that point, then the army would be offline and whether we can see a doctor might be one of the leasts of our worries as a country.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Having an Obamacare waiver is a prized possession. The rest of us will suffer.

ECR
Burke, VA

As always, Roland Kayser has corrected the mis-information portrayed in Roseanne's letter. But let's also be clear, "government run" healthcare programs around the world have proven t be more effective and more cost efficient than the current (pre-ACA) system found in the United States. Insurance companies exist for one reason - to make money for their shareholders. With that as their first priority, is it any wonder than claims go unpaid, often for bogus reasons, because the insurance companies know that the common man doesn't have the time, energy or money to pursue the claims further and will probably not fight their decision to not pay a claim. Despite the clever advertising claiming otherwise, the private insurance company's task is to keep as much of your premium as they can. That is priority number one for them.

It has been suggested by its opponents that the ACA is the first step on the road to a single payer government run program. I can only hope for that day to get here sooner than later.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I watch Fox news quite often.
There is always a rant that Congress has exempted themselves and their staffs from Obamacare.
No explanation. Just that they are exempt from it.

That is misleading and disingenuous. I hear it repeated frequently.

Here are the facts.

The ACA was intended for people who were uninsured or did not get employer paid insurance.
It excludes employers from pushing their employees onto the ACA and then subsidizing their coverage.
R - Chuck Grassley introduced an amendment that Required all of congress and their staffs to get their insurance through the ACA.

NO one else is required to get health insurance through the ACA.

So, the effect is that all of Congress and their Staff (many who are paid very little) would lose the health care subsidy that has been around for decades.

An exemption was made to allow the employer (ie government) to continue to pay part of the insurance premiums. Why should they lose the health coverage subsidy that they always got?

SO yes, congress and staff are given an exemption that others do not get, but they are also required to participate when no one else is.

At least know the truth.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Single payer healthcare is a good idea. It need not be 'government run', at least not at the federal level.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

I forget, was it Ronald Reagan who said, "In my estimation the Republican far-right is hopelessly witless"?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The biggest issue I have with Obamacare is forced participation. Why not give people a choice? If you love Obamacare, knock yourself out, sign up. But forcing Americans to participate is just wrong. Being forced to do something is an evil principle and is doomed to fail.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Mountanman

Q: Has the Obama administration allowed corporations to "opt out" of the new health care law?
A: No. The government has granted more than 200 waivers, but these merely give companies a temporary delay before being required to improve the coverage of cheap, bare-bones plans they currently offer.
(Factcheck 2010)

"looking at the numbers of waivers that have been given to both union and non-union groups, we don't see any pattern that would support a case for special treatment. The number of waivers are a small sample of all health plans, and many more waivers were given to big companies and corporations. We looked for additional information or evidence on this point and didn'tt find it."
(Politifact 2012)

Q: Is it true that there are bills in Congress that would exempt members and their staffs and families from buying into Obamacare?
A: No. Congress members and staffers will be required to buy insurance through the exchanges on Jan. 1.
(Factcheck 2013)

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

@ Mountainman

What about the military draft?

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

First, let's throw out the notion that ObamaCare has anything to do with healthcare. It does not. It is no more about healthcare than Social Security is about security. Both programs are simply TAXES that take a huge amount of money out of the private sector and then transfer that money to the federal government so that politicians can spend it on their pork projects with a "promise to repay" in the form of an I.O.U.

We know what happened to the Social Security funds. They are gone. Politicians have plundered the treasury for their own benefit without any concern for the citizens.

Now, we also know that politicians will throw all of us under the bus if they don't get their way. Obama was given a chance to help America and this is the way that he repays America for trusting him. He refuses to negotiate until ObamaCare if fully funded. What more do we need to know about ObamaCare? It was passed because of crooked backroom deals. Now America is being held hostage if ObamaCare is not funded.

Only foolish or corrupt politicians would allow ObamaCare to continue.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mtnman,

"But forcing Americans to participate is just wrong."

On the surface, your statement sounds reasonable. (although that was the premise of the Heritage foundation and Romneycare)

What happens when someone in a young middle class family, who could afford insurance, but decides not to, gets sick (cancer perhaps) or has an accident.

They gambled and lost. So, what happens?

Do they not seek treatment? Of course not. They head to the hospital and rack up potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs. When they cannot pay, the costs get spread out among everyone else.

So, my medical costs go up because this family decided to forgo insurance.

Is that fair?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Ajax. Last time I check there is no military draft. We have an all volunteer military.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Re:Mountanman
Hayden, ID
"The biggest issue I have with Obamacare is forced participation. Why not give people a choice? If you love Obamacare, knock yourself out, sign up. But forcing Americans to participate is just wrong. Being forced to do something is an evil principle and is doomed to fail."

Right
I hate being "forced" to go a certain speed on highways, wearing a seatbelt, adhering to zoning laws, buying car insurance etc etc etc.

And my kids have it right. Forcing them to go to school and church is just wrong.

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