Did you know that beginning in 2014 that if you are not covered by Medicare,
Medicaid or a private plan you must enroll in the Affordable Care Act or pay a
penalty of "the greater of" $95 or 1% of income. In 2016 the fine is
increased to "the greater of" $695 or 2.5% of income. IS THIS WHAT YOU
REALLY WANT??? MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL???? It is true that
Obamacare became law and the Supreme Court upheld it as constitutional, but then
Pres Obama has gone outside the law and given exemptions to some but not all.
People have been laid off and hours have been cut. I view the
shutdown as the Senate and the President's fault.
The constitution requires the full faith and credit of the US to be maintained.
There is enough tax revenue coming in to meet ALL debt obligations. If there is
a default, it is because the current POTUS has no respect for the constitution
and will spend the incoming revenues on something else.annes,The repubs have voted to keep the government open. The dems voted to shut it
down. Your claim of a republican shutdown is erroneous.KJB1,Why should Boehner schedule a vote if he knows it will not pass? harry has
consistently denied votes on measures he said would not pass. Where was your
condemnation of harry? Of course you had none, because the dems can do no
wrong, even when they do that for which you excoriate repubs. Nice double
standardSG,harry just needs to schedule a vote on ANY of the
bills the house passed to keep the government open and BO needs to sign them.
To "FatherOfFour" the GOP didn't say shut down the government then
lets debate. That is what the Democrats did. The Republicans sent a bill that
would have funded everything except Obamacare. The Democrats don't want to
debate it eventhough about 65% of americans do not support it.Umm....I don't think you understand history. Obama was not re-elected by
a "huge majority", he was elected on a narrow margin. Obama only had
2.7% more of the total votes than Romney. That is a small margin.But that is just a side track.The core issue still remains. If
the ACA is so great, why can't the Democrats explain why we should continue
with it inspite of the problems like the 25% or larger insurance increaes, the
exemptions, and delays in implementation.
Redshirt,"The big question is why do you support the ACA, and
why shouldn't we debate its faults."We had that debate. We
had it in 2009, 2010, numerous times in 2011, and even had an election based
primarily on Obamacare in 2012. Just because you don't like the results of
that debate does not mean it didn't happen. You don't shut down the
government and then say, "Let's have a debate." That is not how our
government works. The president was re-elected by a huge majority. The democrats
held their seats in the senate even though Obamacare was the primary topic of
the election. Democrats got seven million more votes in the House than House
republicans and gained seven seats. The republican party even admits that it was
due to how their districts were drawn that they were even able to maintain the
majority.Michelle Bachman (R, MN) was recently quoted as saying
"We [The TEA Party] wanted the shutdown and we got exactly what we
want."Reince Priebus, head of the RNC stated "The shutdown
is what the American people want."
To "Ralph" and "Shaun" those are really lame arguments. Luckily
history did not have people like you at critical times. Thanks to people
protesting established laws we got rid of slavery, extended the vote to all
people regardless of race or gender, obtained equal rights, and so forth.The big question is why do you support the ACA, and why shouldn't
we debate its faults.Just look at the damage it has caused. It was
sold as an insurance reducing plan, but has instead raised insurance prices by
25% or more. It has caused lots of people to have their hours cut back at work.
If it is so great, why did exemptions have to be granted for businesses,
unions, and some government employees? The law only covers 1/3 of the
uninsured.Why support something that, according to its stated goal,
Imagine if the roles were reversed. We had Mitt Romney as president and a
republican senate, but the democrats had a razor-thin majority in the House. The
democrats then put forth a bill saying that you must ban all guns or we will
shut down the government and default on our obligations that we already passed.
The republicans said no, we will not ban all guns. So the democrats counter
saying OK, we will only ban assault rifles and handguns, and allow abortion on
demand out to the 35th week. The republicans then counter saying no, we
won't do that either. At this point the democrats complain saying the
republicans are not even willing to negotiate. We are completely willing to
reopen the government if you allow no restrictions on abortion and ban all
assault rifles, handguns, and bullets of any kind. Why won't the
republicans even negotiate a little?What the republicans are doing
in our current situation is no different.
What boehner and the house republicans are doing is extortion plain and simple.
Why does Obama need to negotiate on the ACA? It is the law of the land.
John Boehner just needs to allow a vote on the House floor on the clean CR sent
back to them by the Senate. That's all it would take, and we would be back
in business . . . but, he won't do it, because it would pass with a
Democrat majority vote. It WOULD pass, but it wouldn't have a Republican
majority, and he can't have that, now, can he??! [/sarcasm]
The thing is, if Boehner really believed that there wasn't enough support
in the House to pass a clean CR vote, he'd be raring and ready to schedule
one. Just think of the leverage he'd have if it failed to pass.Unless he's just lying, of course...
@annes"They said the American people are suffering under
ObamaCare even though that SCOTUS-upheld law hasn't even gone into effect
even yet."You're clearly not as educated on Obamacare as
you need to be (and profess to be). Most of the controversial parts of
Obamacare - including the Medical Device Excise Tax, or MDET - went into effect
on January 1, 2013. The MDET has already cost 288,000 American jobs and the
number is steadily increasing. Why is nobody mourning those people like they
mourn the furloughed federal employees who will be back on the job once Congress
gets its act together?
@ annes- You need to get your facts straight.The House Republicans
have passed multiple bills before, and since, the shutdown to fully fund the
entire government (except Obamacare) or individual departments and agencies, so
they are the ones working to keep government open.Democrats Obama
and Reid have rejected EVERY ONE of the Republican passed bills, and they are
the ones who shut down the government. And they refuse to even negotiate at
all.Worse, Obama's cronies have implemented the shutdown with
vicious vindictiveness and costly closures of open areas that normally have no
Park Service employees present, by building "barrycades" around them and
stationing guards. Time for "Occupy America" to show up and exercise
some of the free speech stuff the left always praises.The emerging
catastrophe of the debt ceiling is even worse. Congress is so addicted to
spending that they cannot bear to cut a single program, but only borrow more
money whch will never be paid back.Obama was right to vote
"NO" on the debt ceiling increase in 2007, and I urge every member of
Congress to do so now.And, no back pay for furloughed workers for
days they did not work.
It's obvious by now that the House Republicans didn't have a reason
for shutting down the government. They said they did it for "the American
people". They said the American people are suffering under ObamaCare even
though that SCOTUS-upheld law hasn't even gone into effect even yet. Then,
as the health exchanges went online and demonstrated the great interest so many
Americans have in obtaining affordable insurance and obviously, affordable basic
health care, the House Republicans switched out their reason for shutting down
the government. Now they say it's because President Obama
"won't negotiate". It's becoming obvious that they shut down
the government because they could. That's abuse of power. Only the most
extreme right-wingers approve.The House Republicans want something,
they won't say what it is (Obamacare is off the table, they haven't
mentioned it in days), they seem to not even know what they want, but they will
keep the government closed till they get it? That's extortion. I believe
that neither President Obama nor Senate Leader Reid should negotiate on their
terms. You wouldn't.
President Obama is the leader of the United States of America. His actions need
to unite, not divide. He needs to use his position to put fires out, not start
them, not stand by and watch them burn. If a forest was burning
would he stand by and argue about where the fire started, why it started, whose
responsibility the fire was, what the cost of the fire would be? I think not.
The President would take action to ensure the fire was extinguished, people and
resources were saved, and rebuilding could begin.President Obama,
the rebuilding must begin. On your watch. If you are not part of the solution,
you are part of the problem.
This must be difficult for the Democrats to accept. The partial government shut
down has not harmed the country but very little and Americans are learning that
we can actually live, prosper and enjoy life without the federal government.
For once Boehner is right.....Obama must negotiate. Obama cannot get away with
doing nothing and trying to blame republicans.