Published: Thursday, Oct. 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
40 votes to repeal the ACA have already failed, so not they're taking
Re: "not by making the country, individual workers and the general economy
suffer through a government shutdown"...Exactly how is the
general economy "suffering through a government shutdown"? Have you
seen how the Stock Market has responded (with a yawn).Are you
individually suffering? How?The news may be able to find people
willing to wail for the TV cameras about how they are suffering from the
shutdown... but how many people are going to wail about their insurance rates
going up a coverages going down under ObamaCare? And how many people work for
insurance companies in the United States that are going to be unemployed if
ObamaCare is successful in destroying the private insurance companies in the
USA?Do you think the news will cover the impact to the economy and
the people unemployed by the closing of US insurance companies when they start
going under one by one? Unless they find other jobs (maybe yours or mine, or
net new jobs) that's a LOT of unemployment.
Shame on all of us for not doing a better job of electing leaders who would have
nipped Obamacare before it ever got this far. The problem is not government
shutdown but a disaster disguised as health care. The "affordable"
health care is not that at all. Better a shutdown than failure to stand up for
What a total falsehood!The House passed a budget. That is their
duty. The duty of the Senate is to concur and to add amendments (if desired).
The Senate is not authorized to originate budget bills, which is what Harry Reid
did when he subtracted from the bill passed by the House.The
Democrats shut down the government. The Democrats closed the parks. The
Democrats shut off WIC. The Democrats refuse to pay the National Guard. The
Democrats refuse to pay the workers at Hill Air Force Base. The House funded
all of that. The House funded everything except ObamaCare. Obame had a tantrum
and threw everyone under the bus because he didn't get what he wanted. The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the government
shutdown - no matter what Obama and Harry Reid tell us. They shut down the
government. Those two men have personally caused the havoc that troubles
Shame on the radical Democrats!!
Agreed, but when you said;"I heard many of them state they
did not want government to close..." That was AFTER the
shutdown.Mike Lee and many others have said, and were on full time
campaigns for MONTHS prior to, that they DID want a Government Shutdown.Be careful for what you wish for...
Is it time to refer to Democrats as obstructionists now?
The real reason we have a partial shut down is because of Obama and Harry Reid.
The Republican controlled House has sent numerous funding bills to the Senate
and like the dictators they are, its their way or NO way!
Shame on the author and all the other venomous partisans who insist that this
government shutdown was purely one party's fault.BOTH sides
have dug in their heels and refuse to cave into the demands of the other side
and are thus both equally responsible for the shutdown. Only the most partisan
hacks refuse to acknowledge this.The Republicans have at least
backed off their initial hopes of completely defunding Obamacare and have moved
towards a compromise. The president and the Democrats in the Senate so far have
not budged an inch.
Both sides are behaving like infants. It's time to sit down like adults and
discuss how to make the health care law work and mitigate its unintended
consequences. This is what grownups do.
I'm proud of Mike Lee for having the courage to take a stand. Obamacare has
done enough damage already.
Mike, I do request that you show me anywhere in the Constitution anything that
confirms this: "The House passed a budget. That is their duty. The duty of
the Senate is to concur and to add amendments (if desired)."The
House has refused to take up the budget that was legally passed by the Senate.
The House has used partisan brinkmanship to bring the country to its knees. You
notice, I am not singling out a party but rather 1/2 of Congress.Now, if you would stop reading right wing propoganda and listing to talk radio
and actually went out into the big and scary world, you might notice that many
people that don't work for the government are having a severe impact due to
the shutdown.Hotels, restaurants and tour operators all have taken a
direct hit due to the closuer of national parks. Other businesses will see a
similar drop in revenue due to a loss of 800,000 consumers.The stock
market doesn't control revenue. It is based on the assumption that this
will be resolved soon and include a debt ceiling fix. If that doesn't
happen, the stock market will go down further.
This shutdown is wholly owned by the Democrats. Obamacare is 100% owned by the
Democrats. NO Republicans voted for it. The House is listening to the American
people and refuses to fund a one-party law that MOST of the country doesn't
want and can't afford. Affordable Care Act? Are you kidding me?
Here's an idea - since Obamacare was passed with ONLY Democrat votes, how
about ONLY Democrats be forced to participate - with the very first ones to sign
up being Obama and the House and Senate Democrats?
Re:MikeBoehner added, refreshed a favorite GOP talking point:
"The Democrat-controlled Senate, it hasn't passed a budget in more than
1,000 days."House Republican Paul Ryan: The U.S. Senate
Democrats "have gone without any budget at all" for almost three years.
(2012)The Senate passed a budget this year. Sen.
Patty Murray, D-Wash., Budget Committee Chairwoman has attempted to go to
conference on the Senate Democratic budget more than a dozen times this year.
Each time Republicans have objected, worried that their House colleagues would
agree to a deal on funding the government, raising the debt ceiling, or both.Democrats have gone to the floor 18 times to try to get a conference on
the budget.Speaker John Boehner halted a vote last week on a
two-month continuing resolution to keep the government funded.(Sept 2013)
The Affordable Care Act was first conceived and written by conservative
republicans. The only reason they oppose it now is because The President
implemented it. That is the only reason. Had Bush passed the ACA, then
repubs would love it and the country would be much better off for it.This
shutdown is due to the extremist who want to destroy the country.
@ booshway. Brilliant idea! But don't you find it amazing that the
Democrats that gave us this mess exempted themselves and their friends from it
with waivers? Too bad for the rest of us stooges!
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahWhat a total falsehood!The House passed a budget. That is their duty. The duty of the Senate is
to concur... The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the
government shutdown - no matter what Obama and Harry Reid tell us. They shut
down the government. Those two men have personally caused the havoc that
troubles millions.6:57 a.m. Oct. 3, 2013======== Mike -- How can you possible argue that Republicans are absolved from
any of this?Please show us where in the Constitution it says that
the Senate MUST concur with the House.The Senate [by design] is
there as a Gate-Keeper, not a rubber stamp of the House.They rejected the
House bill, and sent it back to them. [per the Constitution]BTW -
the President [Obama in this case] only gets involved by either Signing or
Vetoing whatever the House AND the Senate finally passes and gives him. So
technically, he hasn't done anything - yet. but my guess is - Obama
would have Line Item Veto'ed the bill to kept the Government running.Democrats shutdown the Government....hardy har har.
Mr. Bass,Speaking of inconvenient truths, the fact is that conservative
Republicans did not conceive the ACA. It was a superior bipartisan Wyden
(D-OR)-Bennett (R-UT) proposal that was rejected by the Democrat administration.
Do away with the congressional, big business and union exemptions and implement
the entire ACA now. The middle class alone is shouldering the ACA and the
economy is suffering as a result. Mr. Obama promised to protect the middle
class, yet another empty campaign promise.
Why should we be negotiating with people holding our budget hostage over lost
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