And in other news: Stalin calls Reagan an extremist; rational people are
dumbfounded by the hypocrisy and arrogance
wouldn't it be nice if we could just send this guy on a one way ticket to
Mars or something. What a stomach ache this guy is....
Here's hoping the DN will pick up on one of Senator Reid's comments to
illustrate his ideology.He was comparing 1,000 government employees to one
child with cancer.It is vintage Harry.
@ Bob K:I've also noticed that for quite some time many people
from countries that have universal health care have been coming to the United
States whenever they have anything seriously wrong with them. Our healthcare
system has long been considered the best in the world. Obama is now doing his
best to dilute it and bring it down to the standards of those other countries
who are now also going broke. If you follow world politics, you will
have noticed that many of those socialist based governments who have universal
health care are now on the brink of bankruptcy and needing to be bailed out.
Their people are starting to vote more conservatives into power since their
socialism isn't working out so well... including their universal health
care that they can no longer afford. I lived in Europe for a while. I've
experienced firsthand that their healthcare is not as great as liberals would
like us to believe.
@ Blue and KGB1:You two need to fill in the details to the scenario
you mentioned. Obamacare was passed in record time by an all Democrat Congress
without hardly any debate at all on the 2400+ pages of the law that Pelosi
infamously stated "That's why we need to pass it, so we can see
what's in it." An absurd statement! And now we're finally
finding out what's really in it... and it ain't pretty! Keep in mind that slavery was once legally passed by Congress and upheld by
the Supreme Court. Same with women not being allowed to vote and other such
laws. That didn't make them any more right than Obamacare now is. Bad laws
should be fought and overturned. Now that the people are finding out
what Obamacare is doing to them, the solid majority no longer want it. It will
be costing people much more money while making doctor care harder to get. More
people seeking few doctors. I personally know of several doctors retiring early
because of impending Obamacare. It's simply not a good law and is now
unwanted by the people. Give it up!
Where are our Obama supporters, and voters?Explain the positives of
Obama Care, and how all of us will profit from it.Speak out!
Why is so hard for Obama's minions to see the handwriting on the wall. The
fruits of Obamacare are already becoming known. It's already cost thousands
of jobs and tens of thousands of full-time jobs changing to part-time jobs. For
each person getting a reduction in insurance rates, there are 4 going up. The
numbers don't lie. The majority no longer want this ill-conceived law!On top of that, Democrats are turning into full-time hypocrites. A few
weeks ago they were complaining about Republicans not compromising. Now that
Republicans are offering compromises, it's the Democrats not budging an
inch. Republicans are no longer even trying to defund Obamacare, but rather just
have the same delay offered to individual citizens that Obama has already
offered to unions and special interest groups... and even Congress. There is
nothing unfair about that whatsoever. Democrats are down to counting
on the press to make the other guys look bad instead of where the blame really
@atl134That's the brilliancy behind it all. And just so you
know, it is not the House that is delaying those votes. Call your Senator!
@ThefullnancyHave your mother call Obama or Harry Reid. The love to
just give things away with no regard how it is going to get paid for. But I
will warn you, be careful. They are famous for saying they are going to do
things and then it never happens. Good luck!
Thefullnancy: The Stamp Act was also law. I think the colonists came up with
the best solution.
According to the article, the president said, ""They've shut down
the government over an ideological crusade to deny affordable health care to
millions of Americans," First, the Affordable Care Act has
little to do with healthcare. It has a lot to do with health insurance and
burdening American taxpayers with even more regressive taxes.For me,
the real issue is stemming the fiscal hemorrhage that Washington politics has
cont.One voteSee BO’s comments going back throughout his
entire misadministration about how he won’t compromise.FullnanacyThe house and subsequently federal pursestrings are controlled
by the GOP. Deal with it, not by whining and crying and refusing to negotiate.
BO delayed the employer mandate, and it’s the GOP not obeying the law?
Holder won’t enforce immigration or protect white voters under election
laws, and it’s the GOP not obeying the law? Get realBlue,2010 was purely a referendum on obamacare – 2012 was much more.PG#1, polls show more hate obamacare than support it. Your statement is
falseKJB1,BO won’t enforce all of obamacare, and you
claim the GOP efforts against it are not legal? Blindness to BO’s
transgressions is a common ailment of the left.bobKdragging
the church into this is about as low as you can get. but as far as name
calling, etc. have you observed BO's and reid's behavior throughout
all of this, or do you just chose to ignore it
Despite BO’s unstatesmanlike rhetoric, the repubs voted to keep the
government open, the dems voted to shut it down. This is a dem shutdown. BO is
as unfamiliar with the truth as primitive amazon native is with rocket
science.Repubs want people to be treated no worse under obamacare
than corporations, but dems say people deserve less than corporations.“The Senate early Tuesday rejected the House's call to form a
negotiating committee”Who is the real party of
“NO!!!!”?The government is closed because of the
petulance of reid and the bullying of BO.Government’s running
out of money, but BO can still take his vacation to Asia –great leadership
being exhibited there!Bored, TMR, atl134, petraThe repubs
voted to keep open, the dems voted to close. This is a dem shutdown despite
Educate those in the tea party as to motives of their GOP "leaders" and
even those people will be disgusted with them. I will not forget that this is
purely a selfish Republican thing when I go vote. I doubt I'll ever vote
for a Republican again.
Foolish me -- I would assume that many of the readers and commenters,
particularly those in Utah, are members of the lds church.Where was
the Scripture I missed, the one where Jesus says that lying, fighting dirty,
disparaging the President, name calling, and so on are Christian things to
do?Anyone notice that universal health care is the best thing for
citizens of our and many other countries?Anyone notice that, although we
do not cover large segments of the population, that we pay astronomically more
as a percentage of our wealth than other countries?Anyone notice who gets
rich from this and is lobbying for you to be deceived?
It is fascinating how Obama and Reid are blind to the fact that they personify
everything they claim to despise
@Bored to the point of THIS!Please give some specifics on why you
like Obama Care.Is it good for America? If yes, give some details.
re:Thefullnancy"Propose alternatives and changes to the current
law". Hmm - either you haven't been paying any attention to
the debate or you just watch MSNBC. Which is it? The GOP in the House HAVE
proposed about ten changes and your wonderful Harry Reid won't even talk.
What then guy?? How do you negotiate with a wall? The GOP even proposed to pass
the ENTIRE law but they want the exemption of congress and big business taken
out. Again no go from Harry and Barack. So now what? Again - how do you
negotiate with a side that WON'T negotiate? Any ideas? All the GOP asked
this latest proposal was that congress not be exempted from Obamacare - they
like ALL other Americans must eat this dog food called Obamacare - but Barack
and Harry said no. I would suggest you look at other news sources because you
certainly aren't getting the real picture my friend.
WestGranger:What are Obama and the Democrats supposed to budge from?
The ACA was passed by Congress, signed into law by President Obama, and upheld
by the Supreme Court. If Republicans want to get rid of it, they can regain the
Senate and the Oval Office and do so legally. Otherwise, to hold the government
hostage because they didn't get their way is outright shameful.You do realize that if the Democrats were to yield on this, we may as well
just throw the Constitution out the window. If a minority in Congress
didn't like something, all they'd have to do is throw a big enough
tantrum and it'd be up for "debate." Who knows how much our
legally-enacted laws would be be overturned out of sheer, pigheaded
So the Democrats and Obama won't budge.... and the shutdown is the
To be sure, this is a circus on both sides of the aisle but it certainly has
further exposed this POTUS's disingenuous, self-serving and impotent
leadership abilities. With all of his organizing experience, one would have
assumed he could find a better way to manage this. Perhaps
he's breathing a sigh of relief as the spotlight is off the complete
foreign policy disaster of Syria...
The GOP outrage has nothing to do with protecting the citizens from Obamacare.
They know that people will like it and they will be on the wrong side of history
again, just like with Social Security and Medicare. Throwing a tantrum
doesn't change the law. Obamacare will be a success and the Republicans
The ACA was signed by both houses of congress, signed into law by the President,
and upheld in the Supreme Court.The ACA was a major element of the
2012 campaign, and was discussed and debated extensively. The GOP lost the
White House, lost ground in the Senate, and only through gerrymandered districts
held on to a small lead in the House.If you don't like the ACA,
then by all means come up with a superior alternative and get congress to pass
it. Heaven knows since Citizens United you guys have no shortage of money
available to you for this.But meanwhile - act like Americans and
respect the process by which laws are made, and stop acting like petulant six
year-olds.Blowing up the chessboard when you're losing
doesn't mean you get to claim a win.
the present mess our government is in is the result of two things:1) two parties
that are more ideologically pure, or polarized, depending on how you look at it,
than ever before; and 2) an electorate that cannot make up its mind between
them. The first would not have led to the present impasse without the second.
This is absurd. By the time Republicans get around to voting on every single
individual thing, the 6 weeks the continuing extension would be planned for
would already expire. No wonder everyone thinks Congress is a joke.
LDS Liberal: Are you kidding? This is barely scratching the service of what
needs to be done! I won't blink until every unconstitutional program that
government contols is in the dust bin of history. You won't hear a squeak
out of me until then! I love liberty way too much. Prosperity beyond our
wildest dreams, including health care for all, would be the result if liberty
were allowed to flourish.Thefullnancy: President Obama is the one
that won't abide by his own signature legislation. How can you or anyone be
expected to live by a law that Obama has chosen to implement only for those he
chooses? This is the greatest irony of all. It is so hypocritical that those
who support him or the ACA won't even admit the hypocrisy, except to say,
'he knows best!', as in he knows best how to disobey the laws while
blaming Republicans for not obeying the ACA. How does that work? Amazing.
The Affordable Health Care passed and is law. Deal with it. Not by crying and
whining and threatening to take your ball and go home. Propose alternatives and
changes to the current law. Work together to make the Affordable Health Care
Act, just that an affordable alternative for those who can't get or afford
health insurance. The greatest country on earth with the greatest economic
engine cannot come up with the solution to provide basic health care for each of
its citizens. This is not a democrat or republican issue. This is a United
States of America Issue. Our politicians in Washington (all of them) currently
have only one agenda - to get reelected. They care not about you or I or any of
their constituents. They are only about retaining their job and increasing their
own larder. By the way Ms-rs Cruz, Lee, Reed etal, my 75 year old mother asked
if she should get a loan until the government gets back on their feet in case
her pension checks don't come, which of you should I have her call.
Another irony, other than the attempt to defund the already funded ACA, is now
the tea party is whining that no one will compromise with them. Please see
comments going back for months about how the tea party is all about
no-compromise. I guess forcing yourself into a corner changes your tune.
re:Bored to the point of THIS!So you would like the people of Utah
to shout for joy over Obamacare huh? Perhaps it would do you good to speak to
the thousands of Utah residents (the working ones who pay taxes) who have LOST
their health insurance + watched their work hours cut to 27 per week + watched
their insurance premium's double in cost and ALL due to Obamacare. Yes I am
certain there is much joy blooming all over the state. I have some advise for
you... change the channel away from MSNBC or CNN and actually take a look at the
REAL polling data on Obamacare. It ain't pretty guy...but you won't
hear that from your leftist propaganda networks. Your choice - keep your head
completely buried in the sand or get outside and look around at the real world
for a nice change. Unbelievable. Oh and Utah is one of the better states. Many
states in the US have seen their health care premiums go up 300% because of
Obamacare!!! Google it.
TMRYou do realize that in political reality, Obama is about out of
gas, and if his tank is not refilled next election by getting the House back, he
will become as lame a duck of a President as Bush was in his last two years.
And from what I've heard, the House is very likely to stay Republican. The
real threat is if the Republicans pick up some seats in the Senate, which is
more probable than the House going Democrat. If that happens, Obama might as
well schedule two years of golf. And by the way, your side hated Bush just as
much. In fact, recalling some of the things said about him, probably more.
We need to shut down Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Veteran's healthcare,
the state's pilot program for autism, and all other government programs.
Just hold firm GOP. We are just starting to roll back socialism.
To happy2bhere: in answer to your question, while there are of course events
that are more destructive than the debt,your question itself is a red herring.
The shutdown will not alleviate the debt, which the GOP is just as responsible
for via out-of-control defense spending and the actions of the last occupant in
the White House. The shutdown is a reckless ruse conducted by a party faction
that lost during the last elections and wants nothing more than to hurt the man
they hate more than anything else on planet earth: President Obama. As Aggie
Love in his or her post said: "I love seeing Obama sweat." I have news
for you haters: Obama won and this time he will stand his ground and not let the
marginalized and morally bankrupt tea party sabotage the election. As John
McCain puts it, elections have consequences. Deal with it.
Go get 'em, Mr. President.
barry is always on the campaign trail because he doesn't know how to lead.
obama groupies must be proud.
@Bored to the point of THIS!I will give you the credit should a
miracle happen and it works. Will you give the respect and your vote to
Republicans when it fails? It is day one and it is already failing.@LDS LiberalYour comment doesn't make sense. So you want
larger and more expensive government? Please explain to me how this helps are
national debt? Republicans slogan....."But Wait! There's
more..." Yep your right, there is more. There is more uncovered garbage in
the healthcare plan that we will have to fix and try to figure out how to pay
for it. But don't worry, we will take care of it since the democrats
can't.How do you left wingers see your lefty politicians.
Their rhetoric often sounds great, but do you not ever ask the question of how
is it going to get paid for. Your party is responsible for increasing the
national debt by double. Does this not mean anything to you? Can you not see
TMRHow can anything be more destructive to our country than the
mounting debt, currently at 17 trillion and growing? Please explain.But wait, I have an idea which I believe all Democrats will agree with.
Instead of fighting this fight every year, why not just pass a bill that allows
for a 100 trillion dollar debt. Let the Democrats sign off on it, Obama sign
it, and then when the meltdown happens, the Republicans can finally blame it all
on the Democrats, instead of the other way around which is what always happens
in these fights.
The Senate early Tuesday rejected the House's call to form a negotiating
committee to resolve the deadlock over health care and financing the
government.Moments after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry
Reid, D-Nev., laid full blame on House Republicans, declaring, "The
government is closed because of the irrationality of what's going on on the
other side of the Capitol."How is it the House's fault
Harry when you won't even help form a negotiating committee? Could it be
because you are willing to take your ball and go home. I am a
disabled veteran. If this goes longer than October, I am going to lose my
Veteran Disability which I need. And I am all for the House holding close and
doing what is right, to protect the people and risk not getting my disability.
Harry Reid is not the sharpest tool in the shed and this report and quote proves
The President has acquitted himself well. This shutdown is not his doing. The
GOP (tea party) is the most selfish and destructive political faction that has
come along in years. Let's hope this shutdown will delegitimize the tea
party once and for all.
I hope the President and the Democrats in the Senate hold their ground. The
shut down is the Republican's fault. It's been three years and this
is their last ditch effort to kill healthcare reform for America. I hope they
fail. Once in place, I hope the people of Utah will acknowledge the success of
the program. I hope the people of Utah will give credit where it is due.
Get used to it folks -- Republicans have always wanted a smaller,
cheaper Government -- with only the "essential" Government services
operating...You GOT it!Republicans next campaign slogan
-- "But Wait!, there's more..."
article: "Moments after the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.,
laid full blame on House Republicans "Wow. Didn't know the House Republicans were so powerful. All this time, it
seemed nothing could ever be accomplished in Washington. And then suddenly
whoosh--all this is their fault. Amazing.
Why would the people of America, want the IRS to enforce a health plan, which
the president or Congress don't want for themselves?If Obama
really cared for people who are laid off, because of the shutdown. Why does he
take hundreds of millions of our money in benefits for vacations, and campaign
fund raising trips? Does that show care for the people, or
I love seeing Obama sweat.
I love what the House GOP is doing. They are passing bill after to bill to fund
all parts of government with no loop holes. They are passing them over to dirty
Harry in the Senate and forcing this corrupt sleazy little man to bring a vote
on each bill...which he won't do of course because the last thing dirty
Harry wants is for the government shut down to end. The House GOP is asking for
a one year delay of this Obamacare train wreck - and it is a train wreck already
as it has rolled out belching blue smoke and running on one cylinder this
Barack,Stop spending.When barack took office the
national debt was 10 trillion.It's now 17 trillion.Barack has added almost as much debt as every other president in the history
of the country combined.