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Obamacare dispute sends gov't to brink of shutdown


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  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 11:36 p.m.


    80% of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75% of independents.

    57% percent of Republicans support “providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance.” That’s backed by 67% of independents.

    54% of Republicans favor “requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employers.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.

    52% of Republicans favor “allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.” That’s backed by 69% of independents.

    78% of Republicans support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of independents.
    (Ipsos-Reuters Poll 2012)

    Factcheck (2012)
    "The CBO report shows that the gross (not NET)yearly costs of ACA are likely to be 8.6% higher (not double) than originally estimated."

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    If defunding the ACA is as popular an idea as the GOP would like us to believe then why are the votes not there in both houses and a president in office to do so? there is a reason they have to try to piggy back such a bad idea onto such serious legislation instead of letting it stand on its own.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt--Please! All American wars combined, doesn't equal trillions.

    A million is a thousand , thousands, a billion is a thousand million, and a trillion is a thousand billion.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @ alt134:

    Try harder to keep up on current news. Conservatives have offered a compromise that does NOT entail defunding Obamacare... just delaying it for a year while very obvious flaws can be corrected, which is not at all unreasonable... especially since Obama has already issued similar exemptions to unions and other special interest groups who supported him. American people truly deserve the same type of consideration as Obama's special interest groups are getting.

    It's now the liberals who are unwilling to compromise whatsoever. If the government does get shut down, it should be on their heads, regardless of how the liberal media tries to spin it.

    One other thing. The general population is NOT rejecting Obamacare in the polls because it isn't liberal enough. That's simply crazy talk. They are rejecting it because it's already costing thousands of jobs and turning tens of thousands more into part-time jobs. Even the Congressional Budget Office has recently released numbers showing that Obamacare is now going to cost at least double what the administration originally estimated... the phony numbers they used to sell it. Most people now see it as the huge train-wreck it is.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    Senator McCain called the tea party "wacko birds". This sounds like an in fight. Sit back and watch if the tea party take over the United States.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    You point out why reid, BO, and the dems are willing to shut down the government despite the damage it will do to the economy – because they will win political points. Winning political points is more important to the dems than is the good of the country.

    There are 55 some-odd senators and one potus holding the economy hostage.

    Why do you think I leave “truth” out of t-seeker’s name? don’t forget that BO already made exceptions for corporations, delaying their implementation for 1 year. Libs are always complaining that the scotus calls corporations people, but now BO is treating corporations BETTER than people, yet still the libs grovel at his feet.

    You admit the repubs had a plan! Finally turned on something beside msnbc? There may be hope for you yet.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    Here's the thing. Yes, polls show more disapprove of Obamacare than approve of it. However, a decent number of those that disapprove want it to be more liberal, not more conservative. They may not like Obamacare, but they dislike the Republican alternative even more. So polling shows that repeal of Obamacare has only 38% support to 44% opposition (CNBC poll). Even more people don't like using the threat of a shutdown to accomplish it. When tied to the idea of threatening shutdown if not defunded, only 19% support defunding Obamacare compared to 59% who oppose defunding Obamacare at the threat of shutdown.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    @ Truthseeker (again):

    Please don't try to make us believe that Obamacare was the only issue facing this nation during the last election. There were and are multiple issues that go into voting for or against any particular person running for Congress or any other position. It's extremely naive to believe all voting results were simply about Obamacare last election and nothing else. As such, Republicans aren't forgetting anything concerning this issue. In fact, Obamacare could very well be the Democrats undoing this next election.

    As articulated in my comment above, what Republicans are now doing is exactly in line with what all latest polls show the American public wants. This entire issue would be different if Obamacare is what the majority of the people want. But it isn't. Obamacare grows more unpopular by the week... as more and more becomes known about it. It makes you sound like an extremist for labeling representatives who are trying to follow the dictates of what the majority of Americans now want. As Obamacare now stands, the majority of people... regardless of political party do NOT want Obamacare. Until that changes, your argument simply doesn't carry any weight.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Government shutdown? Obamacare unfunded?

    We can only dream of such a magnificent convergence of events....shutting it all down.

    That said, I don't wish ill will on people who are working and need to be paid.

    The reality is that the two sides need to come together and attempt to fix at least some of the glaring flaws in the unaffordable care act.

    The reality is mandating coverage for everyone and everything very obviously dramatically RAISES costs. Then to compound the problem oblamo has given exemptions to as many as 80% of the poor who won't be able to afford healthcare premiums.

    Can yo see where this is going? Dramatically higher costs and exemptions for the majority of those that were supposed to be contributing so it would/could be affordable.

    The math only works for democrats because all this does is create massive deficits and the people picking up the tab now will just be getting a bigger bill so all the people without coverage get coverage at our expense.

    The democrats knew this is how it would work and planned it this way from the beginning. Just another way to mandate access to working peoples money.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    Well I, for one, don't want affordable health care for the working folks of this country.

    I want to make sure our effective and competent legislators in Congress have access to the best health care.
    After all, they are doing a wonderful job representing us in Washington D.C.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Democrats who are confident Republicans will be blamed for the shutdown need to reckon with the Koch Bros. funded media machine which is today working overtime to smear Obama.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Don't lose track of the conservative agenda. It is defunding of the ACA, defunding of social security, and defunding of medicare. Keep your eye on the ball.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:27 a.m.


    Let's try sticking to the truth here. Republicans sent their latest bill (which was made by full House vote) back to the Senate, which contained a compromise. It does NOT defund Obamacare... it only delays implementation for a year while obvious issues in it can be changed. Obama has already given exemptions to unions and special interest groups. Why not allow the same courtesy to the American people? Isn't it interesting that Obama and Congress have exempted themselves from this law, but the Democrats still want to force it on the American people without further debate or any compromise whatsoever?

    You also forgot to mention that the solid majority of the people... those who voted in Obama... are now solidly OPPOSED to Obamacare. As more becomes known about it, the more unpopular it gets with the general public. Every national poll now indicates that. Why is it "lunacy" for the majority of the House of Representatives to listen to the people who voted them in and try to allow the wishes of this majority to be represented?

    If this is Obama's signature accomplishment, it doesn't say much for him at all.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    This shutdown is politics. Stupid politics of the worst kind.

  • ute alumni paradise, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    jjjsh........ glad you are a former repub. yomama needs more like you

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    There are approximately 120 legislators out of 535 in Congress who are holding the economy hostage. There are enough votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, but Boehner won't let it come up for a vote. The Republicans expect Obama--who won re-election by a significant margin--to abandon his signature accomplishment. This is nothing more than sheer lunacy. Republicans also ignore the fact that Democrats got more votes for Congressional seats than Republicans did the last election. There is a small but very energized extreme group in the Republican Party that took advantage of gerrymandering to enshrine themselves into power-- and now they are doing what extremists do.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Shut it down! Shut it down!!

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and the most of the House Republicans are acting like toddlers. Screaming and crying for something they know they can't have. The ACA has been vetted by all branches of the Government and it is set to become the law of the land. Holding the entire country hostage over one piece of legislation, though imperfect, has a good chance to slightly improve the health care system, is extremely childish.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    There are only two words needed to describe Congress: Greed and Stupidity

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    /@ JohnJacob...:

    You are grossly exaggerating to make a point. The Iraq war (in response to 9/11) cost was approximately a trillion (not multiple) over most of a decade. That's about the same of the infamous stimulus package that Obama implemented in his first year... that seemed to have very little effect and much of which could never be accounted for.

    Obama added more to the insane federal deficit in his first 2 years in office than Bush did during his entire 8 years. Obama has added almost as much to the federal deficit with his record spending than all other presidential administrations since WWII COMBINED. One thing he has yet to learn... the laws of economics will not roll over and play dead just for him. There is always accountability in economics just like any other laws of science.

    House Republicans have offered a compromise with Senate Democrats, which is the logical thing to do in this situation. They've offered to leave Obamacare intact, but delay certain parts of it for a year while they can be examined and improved upon. But Democrats are unwilling to compromise. A shutdown would be on them.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    To Jay: Was Cheney conservative enough for you, or should the GOP go right off the table with someone like Santorum, Bachmann or Perry? Cheney in the White House? Hmm. If we could just get him to leave his guns locked up somewhere else.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Shall we continue to give Obama's government an open check book, unlimited unaccountability and open ended credit card accounts or do we say, enough is enough?

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    The Obama-Reid shutdown could indeed be harmful, but will be overplayed by the Democrats and the media, and the blame will once again be misplaced. And of course whenever someone points out the utter failure of our liberals in Washington, they resounding and ever-present battle cry is, "Look at George W. Bush!" Yeah, I never viewed George W. Bush as any kind of conservative, but going from the frying pan into the fire is not the answer we need right now. We need some folks who will actually represent the taxpayers, workers, and families of Utah and America. People like Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are representing the other side quite vigorously.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:31 a.m.


    Well, I for one Republican, was here criticizing the long lasting wars, with no ending goal. I was, along with the likes of Sean Hannity, was criticzing Bushs'overspending on many government programs that took us to the 10 trillion dollar debt when he left office. And I was in agreement with the 30% popularity rating Bush had when he left office. Now, if only Obama would get the same treatment for taking the 10 trillion to 17 trillion, and the Democrats and rest of the country would hold Obama to the same accountability they did Bush.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    The Senate will act to shut down the government by refusing to pass the House bill which funds everything, but delays implementation of Obamacare for a year, and kills the ruinous and counterproductive tax on medical devices.

    Then hypocrite Harry Reid will blast the House for delaying, although the Senate skipped town for a 3 day weekend instead of sticking around to vote on the lates bill passed by the House.

    Obama, has all along refused to negotiate at all with Republicans, spent last week negotiating (and getting snookered by) Iranian terrorist puppet masters, and then playing golf (again). But, he will blast the Republicans for not surrendering the House's Constitutional power to legislate.

    The House is trying to fix problems, the Democrats are trying to win political points and spend themselves into perpetual power by giving away "free stuff" we cannot ever pay for.

    We will be better off with the government shut down, as long as it is controlled by Obama and his cronies.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    As a former Republican I have to ask you fiscally conservative just one thing.

    WHERE were you responsible fiscal hawks when GW Bush was spending TRILLIONS on 2 wars, TRILLIONS on Medicare Part D, Trillions on stimulus packages and tax cuts? NOW you care about the deficit? How noble of you all. The first couple TRILLION didn't bother any of you? I never heard any of my fellow Republicans complain about the spending either Bush did.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:47 a.m.

    No fear!

    Obama, and Congress will get paid.