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Published: Sunday, Sept. 29 2013 12:01 p.m. MDT

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one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The radical no social security, no medicare, no Federal government crowd in Utah and Texas live for this shutdown.

leonard
Oakley, ID

When the federal government starts acting like it is our government instead of o'bama's government, then we don't want it shut down

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Funding Obama's government without any limits is a good thing for your future?

David
Centerville, UT

Why won't Democrats simply agree to delay Obamacare for one year, increase the debt limit, and not force a government shut down. You'd think Obama would embrace a 12 month delay in the ACA as it isn't ready anyway. I think Republicans are absolutely right on this.

jskains
Orem, UT

Why should the democrats always win? There are legitimate reasons ObamaCare should be gutted. The 30-hour requirement is going to cause a lot of part timers to lose 10 hours a week (thats a lot of money). The medical devices tax will drive up the cost of many procedures and possibly make them out of reach to the lower and middle classes. The $2000 fine clause coupled with the insurance cost increases will drive a lot of companies to dump health care and just pay the fine. $2000 a year is a LOT cheaper than helping pay for healthcare. There are a litany of reasons this bill was pathetic, and for Obama to basically stomp his food and not budge at all is just as childish. Yet it is ok for the democrats not to budge, but if the GOP doesn't budge, it's all their fault and "why don't they just stop"??? So many double standards.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Democrats "have won", at the time of the legislation and with the last election which was a national referendum created by Romney. Then throw in the Supreme Court. If this is just poor losers seeking redemption and anarchy, it is very sad for our country. As to the future, every minority try to shut down government on any level using this precedence. There will be no need to vote, just wait and obstruct by back door means.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Nobody wants obamacare, the shut down would send a great message that defunding or repealing obamacare would be the proper approach to get back on track. Don't buy something you can't affort and lets be honest...Obamacare isn't about health service...it is the great ruse of the 21 century.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Nobody wants obamacare, the shut down would send a great message that defunding or repealing obamacare would be the proper approach to get back on track.

7:05 a.m. Sept. 30, 2013

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I agree, I do not like obamacare.
I want a Single Payer, Non-Insurance system - but will take ACA over the GOP plan of Nothing.

Defunding is not the "proper" way to run a Democracy.
Getting the most votes is the "proper" way of running a Democracy.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

LDS Liberal

"Getting the most votes is the proper way of running a Democracy"

OK, just remember, the Republicans have gotten the "most votes" for two elections in the "peoples house". The House of Representatives is known to most closely reflect the grass roots of America. Plus, public opinion polls consistantly show Obamacare is not well liked. So this conflict between the three elected parts of government is just what our system is supposed to be about. Everything is working as it should. Compromise has to come from both sides. Especially on an issue like Obamacare that fundamentally changes a large part of the country for ever. Remember, Obamacare was a partisan piece of legislation when it passed without any bi-partisan support.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

David,

"Why won't Democrats simply agree to delay Obamacare for one year, increase the debt limit, and not force a government shut down. You'd think Obama would embrace a 12 month delay in the ACA as it isn't ready anyway...."
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The ACA has been law for three years with significant provisions in effect such as coverage of dependents under their parents plans up to age 26. To delay the individual mandate provision for a year as part of a budget deal would be using the budget process to undermine laws without legislative revisions being made. That's a precedent that opens the door for future use that might defund Medicare, Social Security, or any other government expenditure under established law.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

I just wish someone would recommend that the Obamacare law be broken up into several seperate parts, each of which would be voted on. I know that the part about pre-existing conditions would be very popular. Other parts obviously need to be revised in a bi-partisan way. Many who are now criticizing this current block being run should at least acknowledge that the bill was too large and complex to be voted on in one all or nothing vote. This legislation is a monumental change to America on the order of Medicare and Social Security. And as public opinion polls currently show, the people blocking the bill are following the majority of public opinion against the bill.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

LDS Liberal

"Getting the most votes is the proper way of running a Democracy"

OK, just remember, the Republicans have gotten the "most votes" for two elections in the "peoples house".

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The ACA was passed by the House with the "most" votes.
The ACA was passed by the Senate with the "most" votes.
President Obama was elected twice with the "most" votes.
The US Supreme Court has up-held the ACA with the "most" votes.

IF the House actually had a plan to "repeal and replace" ACA with the "most" votes --
and the "most" votes from ALL Americans, the Senate and the WhiteHouse,
Then Democracy would rule.

What the minority is doing is nothing short of extortion and hostage taking.

It's called Trampling the Constitution.

Samuel the Liberalite
Farmington, UT

US bracing for government shutdown no one wants

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Somebody isn't being truthful,
because apparently Utah Senator Mike Lee wants it!

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Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) declared on Monday [July 22, 2013] that he and other congressional Republicans would be willing to shut down the federal government in order to block further implementation of President Barack Obama's health care reform law.

Lee similarly suggested in a Friday interview on WBAL 1090 AM that he and other Republicans would be willing to shut down the government.

Bored to the point of THIS!
Ogden, UT

Mike Lee and Ted Cruz want the shut down. I say we start with their salaries! I believe congress should be the first cuts made anytime deals like this come up.

Politicians say they are serving their Country. If it's true 'service' it should come without pay! As the system is, we elect professional politicians, rather than citizens who 'serve'.

RE: leonard: You're funny!

Something to think about
Ogden, UT

The Radical Republicans are back. They are responsible for any 'shut down'. Don't blame the Democrats for this one. The Democrats, including President Obama, were legally elected to office. They are the majority. The majority rules in a democracy. Yes, they should repsect the rights of the minority, but respecting the minority does not mean "giving in" to the minority.

If the Radical Republicans had a better idea, we'd have already seen it... fact of the matter is they have no idea's. They run on an anti-democratic platform. "Anti" will get you elected, but that's about it. I wish Senator Lee understood this. I'm still waiting for his ideas. And waiting... and waiting.....

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The House of Representatives is known to most closely reflect the grass roots of America. "

make the "WAS" known. Now, the districts have been so gerrymandered that it only represents the party.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"I just wish someone would recommend that the Obamacare law be broken up into several seperate parts, each of which would be voted on. I know that the part about pre-existing conditions would be very popular."

Some of what you want is not possible. Cant cover without pre-existing conditions without a mandate to buy insurance. Otherwise, only the sick will buy insurance and the whole thing will collapse.

If we could get a congress that would work in earnest to Improve what is wrong in the bill, we would all be better off. Unfortunately, half of congress only sees black and white.

gmlewis
Houston, TX

@JoeBlow - I'm not sure there are that many healthy people for the mandate to make a difference. If you believe the hype, all Americans are fat with high blood pressure and type-2 diabetes.

Even when our family was young, we had our share of pregnancies, appendectomies, kidney stones and hernias, as well as trips to the emergency room for childhood injuries. We got healthcare as soon as it became available.

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