I am glad that others have confirmed the concern of general authorities that
'outsiders' are sometimes given a rough ride by members of my faith.
While the discussion has been enlarged to include concerns of non-members, the
emphasis I heard in Elders Gausse and Uchtdorf were of local attitudes towards
those from different parts and backgrounds. This always has been a concern as
can be seen in the writings of prophets and apostles, and others, in both this
and former dispensations.Jesus himself alluded to attitudes of
Hebrews towards Samaritans, and an arrogance about being "children of
Abraham", stating He could make true Israelites out of Gentile
'rocks'. The apostle Paul also was protective of his Gentile
converts, and even rebuked the attitudes of authorities who "seemed to be
pillars" yet initially made a difference between the Israelite and Gentile
converts. Peter himself was instructed in a vision not to call unclean that
which God had made clean.Joseph Smith once alluded to himself as
"an Englishman" perhaps to soften the prejudices of American saints who
likely took a superior attitude to the English converts. I don't think all
members are prejudiced however.
Thank you for these summaries especially as we wait for the full talks to be
available on lds.org
I don't find inspiration hearing the words "come back" one moment
and then the words "we don't want you" in the next. Sorry, but
that is exactly what was said this conference session. No reading between the
lines necessary.@jeanie; He may brand himself an athiest
but it is your set who brands him "unrighteous" (do you see the
Ps. Scientist, you yourself claim to be an atheist. Church members have not
"branded" you one.
Scientist - I agree that there are members of the LDS faith who do
not know how to associate with those who believe differently in a healthy,
loving way. I am sorry you have felt this. My atheist friend who
has lived among the Mormons as long as you have, and my religiously unaffiliated
friend have had similar experiences. However, I have read many of your comments
on the DN website I would suggest that in spite of ignorant LDS members who have
treated you badly, you also reap what you sow. I can have a civil conversation
with my friends about our different beliefs without anyone feeling attacked.
Respect is a two-way street with neither party holding the majority of the
responsibility for civility and acceptance of differences. If
atheists are just as moral as religious people claim to be let's all
demonstrate that a little better by being kinder in our dialog of differences
and stop the attacks.
scientist; you're talking about a human condition. Often we are given a
number of commandments that seem to be contradictory or in opposition one with
another. The need to stay pure, but at the same time reach out to others, often
is frought with struggle. We need to be compassionate to all members and
nonmembers, love our enemies, but your strong condemnation makes it sound like
such a thing is a cakewalk or obvious. Let's assume that even those saints
that come off as judgemental do so out of a human weakness that is at the very
least understandable, and work from there.
Conference is always tremendous. Granted, not every talk reached out to me
personally, but then I don't think that is the intent. There were those
specific messages which touched me deeply and I am looking for ways to better
myself accordingly.Some members do have issues and might be lacking
with regards to how 'outsiders' are treated. We experience that here
in the Pacific Northwest, but it is not the norm and though, because it effects
us personally, the problem seems larger than it is, I believe that most members
of the church try to be Christ-like, but we are all striving to do better and
there is always room for improvement; which is why we continue to tune in to
General Conference each time.
The Scientis, Provo, UT., I am sorry you have been treated they way you have,
most of us do not feel the you are evil. Like all faiths you have those who
live by what is taught and those who do not. We are taught to love all and to
judge not but there are those who do so please do not judge us all because of
the few who have wronged you. One day the well meet God and be judged by how
the have wronged you. Most don't do it on perpus they are just blinded to
how they treat others, not right but I have found this to be true.
The talks were amazing. Problems were faced directly so it is hard to be
confused on what the doctrine is. I had tears hearing many of the talks. They
spoke directly to me. Gilda's is right. Watch the videos and dont depend on
the summaries to get the messages God has sent to you. The summaries are good
but there is so much more in them.
Gildas wrote:"...Elders Uchtdorf and Causse...talked about
'strangers and foreigners' and other 'outsiders' who do not
feel welcome among local communities of LDS people...the idea that someone who
is different is seen as strange, or even evil (Elder Uchtdorf: 'Four
Titles', Spring Conference), was brought out. Elder Causse's talk was
especially plain and plaintive. Do we have a problem? I think so."Amen. Because I am married to an LDS woman, I have lived among the Latter-day
Saints for three decades, and I can testify that this is a huge problem. Those
of us who are "different" are definitely considered to be evil,
unworthy, insincere, unrighteous, etc. - especially those of us who are branded
as "atheists", we are treated as if we have the plague and could not
possibly have a shred of morality or decency in our bodies!It is
such a shame that such arrogant blindness infects so many "saints".
Re: its Common Knowledge (btw, should be It's)Nobody was
suggesting these talks were in any way similar to a football game. That's
ridiculous. I was merely comparing the quantity of comments, or lack thereof.
RE: Shuzzie53Let's not suggest that these talks are in any way
similar to a football game. The context is different and the spirit and flavor
of the comment boards will be different also. It would be shameful to see
comments here that parallel those found on a sports story.
I find it remarkable that there are almost no comments about these wonderful
talks, but dozens of people weigh in about a football game. smh.
These are fair summaries but you really need to have been there, or to hear or
read the entire talks. A summary can only provide a synopsis of what a person
or persons think were salient points. They may take some of the bite out of the
talk, though, and perhaps minimize controversy?Take the talks of
Elders Uchtdorf and Causse. These two talked about "strangers and
foreigners" and other "outsiders" who do not feel welcome among
local communities of LDS people. Both speakers should know whereof they speak;
they are outsiders themselves, one from Germany and the other France.In the case of Elder Uchtdorf it is the second talk in two consecutive
conferences where he addressed the issue of people feeling isolated and
unaccepted in their new location. In these talks the idea that someone who is
different is seen as strange, or even evil (Elder Uchtdorf: "Four
Titles", Spring Conference), was brought out. Elder Causse's talk was
especially plain and plaintive. Do we have a problem? I think so.This wasn't clear in the summaries. They serve a purpose but are
inadequate to communicate the complete message.
My favorite was Elder Holland. If you get the chance read, When The Devil
Visits. It is about a woman who lost 4 family members to suicide and how to
rise above adversity. It fits his talk perfectly.
It looks, from the picture, that Pres. Monson has really lost some weight.I pray he is feeling well.