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Published: Sunday, Oct. 6 2013 2:00 p.m. MDT

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CheColBar
San Diego, CA

It looks, from the picture, that Pres. Monson has really lost some weight.
I pray he is feeling well.

sickofpolitics
morgan, ut

My favorite was Elder Holland. If you get the chance read, When The Devil Visits. It is about a woman who lost 4 family members to suicide and how to rise above adversity. It fits his talk perfectly.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

These are fair summaries but you really need to have been there, or to hear or read the entire talks. A summary can only provide a synopsis of what a person or persons think were salient points. They may take some of the bite out of the talk, though, and perhaps minimize controversy?

Take the talks of Elders Uchtdorf and Causse. These two talked about "strangers and foreigners" and other "outsiders" who do not feel welcome among local communities of LDS people. Both speakers should know whereof they speak; they are outsiders themselves, one from Germany and the other France.

In the case of Elder Uchtdorf it is the second talk in two consecutive conferences where he addressed the issue of people feeling isolated and unaccepted in their new location. In these talks the idea that someone who is different is seen as strange, or even evil (Elder Uchtdorf: "Four Titles", Spring Conference), was brought out. Elder Causse's talk was especially plain and plaintive. Do we have a problem? I think so.

This wasn't clear in the summaries. They serve a purpose but are inadequate to communicate the complete message.

Shuzzie53
HAYWARD, CA

I find it remarkable that there are almost no comments about these wonderful talks, but dozens of people weigh in about a football game. smh.

Its Common Knowledge
Houston, TX

RE: Shuzzie53

Let's not suggest that these talks are in any way similar to a football game. The context is different and the spirit and flavor of the comment boards will be different also. It would be shameful to see comments here that parallel those found on a sports story.

Shuzzie53
HAYWARD, CA

Re: its Common Knowledge (btw, should be It's)

Nobody was suggesting these talks were in any way similar to a football game. That's ridiculous. I was merely comparing the quantity of comments, or lack thereof.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

Gildas wrote:

"...Elders Uchtdorf and Causse...talked about 'strangers and foreigners' and other 'outsiders' who do not feel welcome among local communities of LDS people...the idea that someone who is different is seen as strange, or even evil (Elder Uchtdorf: 'Four Titles', Spring Conference), was brought out. Elder Causse's talk was especially plain and plaintive. Do we have a problem? I think so."

Amen. Because I am married to an LDS woman, I have lived among the Latter-day Saints for three decades, and I can testify that this is a huge problem. Those of us who are "different" are definitely considered to be evil, unworthy, insincere, unrighteous, etc. - especially those of us who are branded as "atheists", we are treated as if we have the plague and could not possibly have a shred of morality or decency in our bodies!

It is such a shame that such arrogant blindness infects so many "saints".

annewandering
oakley, idaho

The talks were amazing. Problems were faced directly so it is hard to be confused on what the doctrine is. I had tears hearing many of the talks. They spoke directly to me. Gilda's is right. Watch the videos and dont depend on the summaries to get the messages God has sent to you. The summaries are good but there is so much more in them.

sfcretdennis
Nice, CA

The Scientis, Provo, UT., I am sorry you have been treated they way you have, most of us do not feel the you are evil. Like all faiths you have those who live by what is taught and those who do not. We are taught to love all and to judge not but there are those who do so please do not judge us all because of the few who have wronged you. One day the well meet God and be judged by how the have wronged you. Most don't do it on perpus they are just blinded to how they treat others, not right but I have found this to be true.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Conference is always tremendous. Granted, not every talk reached out to me personally, but then I don't think that is the intent. There were those specific messages which touched me deeply and I am looking for ways to better myself accordingly.

Some members do have issues and might be lacking with regards to how 'outsiders' are treated. We experience that here in the Pacific Northwest, but it is not the norm and though, because it effects us personally, the problem seems larger than it is, I believe that most members of the church try to be Christ-like, but we are all striving to do better and there is always room for improvement; which is why we continue to tune in to General Conference each time.

raybies
Layton, UT

scientist; you're talking about a human condition. Often we are given a number of commandments that seem to be contradictory or in opposition one with another. The need to stay pure, but at the same time reach out to others, often is frought with struggle. We need to be compassionate to all members and nonmembers, love our enemies, but your strong condemnation makes it sound like such a thing is a cakewalk or obvious. Let's assume that even those saints that come off as judgemental do so out of a human weakness that is at the very least understandable, and work from there.

jeanie
orem, UT

Scientist -

I agree that there are members of the LDS faith who do not know how to associate with those who believe differently in a healthy, loving way. I am sorry you have felt this.

My atheist friend who has lived among the Mormons as long as you have, and my religiously unaffiliated friend have had similar experiences. However, I have read many of your comments on the DN website I would suggest that in spite of ignorant LDS members who have treated you badly, you also reap what you sow. I can have a civil conversation with my friends about our different beliefs without anyone feeling attacked. Respect is a two-way street with neither party holding the majority of the responsibility for civility and acceptance of differences.

If atheists are just as moral as religious people claim to be let's all demonstrate that a little better by being kinder in our dialog of differences and stop the attacks.

jeanie
orem, UT

Ps. Scientist, you yourself claim to be an atheist. Church members have not "branded" you one.

Ranch
Here, UT

I don't find inspiration hearing the words "come back" one moment and then the words "we don't want you" in the next. Sorry, but that is exactly what was said this conference session. No reading between the lines necessary.

@jeanie;

He may brand himself an athiest but it is your set who brands him "unrighteous" (do you see the arrogance?).

HintonBR
Bluffdale, UT

Thank you for these summaries especially as we wait for the full talks to be available on lds.org

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

I am glad that others have confirmed the concern of general authorities that 'outsiders' are sometimes given a rough ride by members of my faith. While the discussion has been enlarged to include concerns of non-members, the emphasis I heard in Elders Gausse and Uchtdorf were of local attitudes towards those from different parts and backgrounds. This always has been a concern as can be seen in the writings of prophets and apostles, and others, in both this and former dispensations.

Jesus himself alluded to attitudes of Hebrews towards Samaritans, and an arrogance about being "children of Abraham", stating He could make true Israelites out of Gentile 'rocks'. The apostle Paul also was protective of his Gentile converts, and even rebuked the attitudes of authorities who "seemed to be pillars" yet initially made a difference between the Israelite and Gentile converts. Peter himself was instructed in a vision not to call unclean that which God had made clean.

Joseph Smith once alluded to himself as "an Englishman" perhaps to soften the prejudices of American saints who likely took a superior attitude to the English converts. I don't think all members are prejudiced however.

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