We are watching the destruction of the GOP. Hundreds of thousands of people
stayed home in the 2012 election because Romney was too moderate. The Old Guard
GOP is saying we need to reach out to left-leaning people. In the end,
this is the Big Tent idea that has only resulted in the GOP losing elections.So, you either believe the GOP needs to stand by its conservative platform
(which is what Cruz and Lee are doing) or you need to go along with the
Washington ruling class (which is what Hatch is doing).The old guard has
the campaign money and the conservatives have the grassroots foot soldiers.Forming a third party or not supporting the old guard candidates yield the
same results. The left wins either way.The GOP deserves to die anyway.
The filibuster that isn't a filibuster. Healthcare will not be defunded.
Oatmeal: I think you mean Obamacare will not be defunded. Obamacare does not
equate to healthcare. They are not the same.
Wow, that's quite offensive of Cruz to compare this battle to the battle
against the Nazis--a slap in the face to every Jew and western ally who died at
the hands of Hitler's regime. Not even in the same book.
So Lee's foot was run over when he was a child huh... Bet his parents
healthcare covered him.
The senator from Illinois promised he would change America if elected. That he
has...It is extremely unfortunate, no--tragic, that the rest of the
GOP aren't standing with this good man and fighting for the freedoms that
so many fought and died for.Senator Hatch, I'm ashamed of you.
Senators Cruz and Lee made their fortunes and got their benefits. Why should
they care about the general welfare of the poor? One wonders if either Cruz or
Senator Lee read "promote gneral welfare" in the opening line of the
It's not a proud moment when the floor of the U.S. Senate is the stage for
political theatrics. The people they represent have a right to expect members of
Congress to take their jobs seriously.
Meanwhile. Labrador's bill gets no attention.
Hatch is no different than Arlen Specter, MCConnell, Croyn, McCain, Graham and
Jeb Bush........if these RINOs are defeated in their re-elections, then this
speech was worth vetting them out as the supporters of Obamacare that they
jp3 said: "Wow, that's quite offensive of Cruz to compare this battle
to the battle against the Nazis--a slap in the face to every Jew and western
ally who died at the hands of Hitler's regime. Not even in the same
book."Texas writes their own history books. Don't your
remember how all Hitler wanted, was to give healthcare to the German people?He also used "Green Egg's and Ham" in a silly parody,
apparently unaware of how that story ended.
As an ardent democrat, I can't tell you how much it warms my heart to see
folks here calling McConnell, McCain, Graham, et. al., RINO.When the
fringe takes over the center and the center leaves, you know your party is in
its twilight years. I only hope the extremists continue to push the GOP to the
right -- away from the rest of America.
Meanwhile, the rate tables for the Obamacare exchanges are out today, and the
costs are even lower than originally anticipated.
I seldom have anything good to say about Fox News, but it was a delight when
Chris Wallace exposed Ted Cruz' initial ignorance of Senate rule 22 which
allows a simple majority vote on the amendment pertaining to funding of the
Affordable Care Act.
The problem with Obamacare are the lies told to sell it to the American people.
We were told that if we had a health care plan from an employer we liked, we
could keep it.We just attended an initial company meeting prior to
our upcoming open enrollment, and it turns out that in 2014, all of the plans
previously offered by our employer are no longer available. Instead we will be
allowed to choose from Exchange-like "bronze" "silver"
"gold" plans. It appears that there will be no difference in coverage
offered from these plans compared to the same plans on the exchange.We were also told that our premiums would be based on age, zip code, whether a
family member smoked, just like the exchange plans. Just the zip code factor
means some of my co-workers will be paying $400 more than others for the same
plan, simply based on where they live.We don't have any plan
details yet, but from what I've seen on some of the state health care
sites, they will be high-deductible ($2000 per person), with much higher office
and prescription costs.
Democrats are not in the center and neither is Obama............Cruz gave a
great speech and almost eclipsed left of center, liberal Senator Strom
Thurmond's speech and filibuster to block Civil Right for Blacks given back
in 1957! But when it comes to speech's ...Obama's resist we much
speech was a classic!
I have to agree with Happy Valley Heretic. I found the Green Eggs and Ham
reference terribly ironic. It proves the exact opposite point. People are
afraid of Obamacare...they're told they will hate it...they don't want
any part of it. In the end, however, if we are to follow Sen. Cruz's
analogy, once they actually try it they will find they actually like it.
That's exactly what Republicans are afraid of. If it is implemented and
it's successful, this will be a badge Democrats can wear for decades. If
it was actually doomed to failure, however, Republicans could use that to their
advantage for a very long time.
Viva la Migra,I find it hard to swallow that this is information
you're getting from your employer.
Viva la Migra: if your company is going cheap on healthcare and blaming it on
Obamacare, that's a problem with your company, not Obamacare. Also, the key
to understanding your comment is in this quote: "We don't have plan
details yet..." Lack of info has never stopped the Obamahaters from going
off.TRUTH: Strom Thurmond liberal? He was a democrat until the
1960s, yes, but he was never ever a liberal. He became a Republican because he
thought his party had become too liberal--specifically with regards to civil
rights. Sorry, but you get a D- on today's history homework.
Good to know Cruz wants to drain as much time as possible off the clock. Heh,
and people say Republicans don't want a gov't shutdown. They just want
to force the Senate to vote on a bill so late in the process thanks to
procedural rules that reconciliation with the House won't be completed in
My friend wrote, "I am currently enrolling in Utah's new Avenue H
"Obamocare" program and am finding that will be saving a few hundren
dollars a month over my current high deductive piece of garbage plan."
People are finding this out across the country.Obamocare will prove
successful, meaning that it will be way better than the old way, which is what
Conservatives fear the most.
More lack of substance from the party that has perfected the do nothing but fire
up the ignorant masses game. The GOP and their supporters have relegated
themselves to the butt of all jokes about what is wrong in the U.S.A.
Defunding Obamacare doesn't stop it from being law. What it would do though
is well... cut off funding, so those subsidies going to people making less than
3x the poverty line (so around 60k/yr) in order to help them better afford
health insurance, those would be gone. Way to be for sabotage and harming the
American people on purpose.
This wasn't a filibuster, this was the longest comedic stand-up bit in
history; it cannot realistically claim to be anything else. This
guy belongs on the cover of "US Weekly", not on the Senate floor - his
celebrity exists by creating news for doing literally nothing legislatively.
What truly horrible people. I'm supposed to believe it's just
fine to have millions of families without access to affordable healthcare?If Romneycare (this was his plan and the conservative's plan before Obama
proposed it) was so bad then the repubs would let it go in to effect just to
watch it fail. The truth is, they know it's a good thing and they know it
will work, and that's what they're afraid of.The worst part of
this whole thing is that repubs favor doing nothing for the uninsured over doing
the right thing. I guess that doesn't really shock anyone though, that is
has been their platform for a while now.
Here are specific reasons why I vociferously oppose the Affordable Care Act:
let's make sure that those who have pre-existing conditions or chronically
ill children have to pay more taxes by raising the medical deduction from 7.5%
to 10% of adjusted gross income. Let's make sure that that same group of
people gets to pay more for medical devises (this includes syringes for
diabetes, etc) because of the 2.3% medical devise tax. Let's also ensure
that those who are healthy and don't really need health insurance are
forced to purchase it or pay the "tax" for failing to do so. Let's
provide exchanges for these uninsured folks where they can purchase health
insurance that is entirely useless either because: 1) they still can't
afford to pay the monthly premium; or 2) the deductible is too high to really
help them cover expenses.
Re: Craig CookI take it you haven't had any open enrollment
meetings yet. Don't be surprised if you find out that the same thing is
happening to you. I've always enjoyed decent health insurance
from an employer, and starting in 2014 all of the plans I prefer are going away,
replaced by the high-deductible garbage offered from Obamacare.Has
your employer imposed an ACA fee on you yet? Starting two months ago, every
employee at my company has to pay a $50 ACA fee per month.You should
visit the Colorado health exchange site and pull down some of the plan
information. There you will find that someone living in Fort Collins will pay
$300 more per month than someone living in Denver, for the same plan. Someone
in Grand Junction, will pay more than $400 than someone in Denver for the same
plan, just based on zip code.
@UT Brit:"Please do research on other countries health care systems
before commenting on them."Could you forward an NHS booklet?Here in the US, we are obliged to follow former House Speaker Nancy
Peloci's lead re examining healthcare systems: 'We don't know
what's in the bill until we pass it.'@ugottabkidn:"Alfred, UT Brit has real experience, listen and learn. To add to your so
called premise a fairly recent poll done in Canada 90% of Canadians would not
scrape their system for ours."The remaining 10% are probably
those obliged to come to the US for needed care.@Redshirt1701:"To 'Alfred' actually, you are wrong about the US government
overhead costs. While just the Medicare department has a 3% overhead, the
complete government has a 25% to 30% overhead rate."It's my
understanding we were comparing just Medicare/private insurance overhead rates,
not the enter government. I Googled for the Medicare/private insurance O/H
rates. Even so, the 3% seems low. If you're talking about the
O/H rate for the entire government... I'd say it's more like 100%.
Liked listening to Sen Cruz reading "Green Eggs and Ham".His
point was "I do not like it [Obamacare] Sam I am".He should
have kept reading it.Because the moral of the entire story was He Tries
it, and he LIKES it!
Viva la MigraHas your employer imposed an ACA fee on you yet? Starting two
months ago, every employee at my company has to pay a $50 ACA fee per month.Your employer is being dishonest.
Ted Cruz is an interesting person. He waste's our governments time, thus
our time on a 21 hour 19 minute speach about nothing. Does this mean his
Presidential campaign is official?
Doing the hard thing and standing alone on principal is not easy. I believe
Obamacare was rammed down the throats of Americans, even though the majority of
Americans didn’t want it. Most of us Americans don’t have the power
to change that or so we think. One American in a position of power has stood up
to protest Obamacare and the importance of defunding this Socialist legislation.
Thank heavens for Ted Cruz and God bless him and his family! Through him and
people like him there’s a glimmer of hope that we have a chance of saving
our US Constitution and our rights as citizens therein. Although Mr. Cruz is
not my Senator, I hope and pray that we can get one with his courage and
What exactly did this accomplish?Senator Cruz knew that his speech
wasn't truly a filibuster. He may have talked a long time, but ultimately,
Senate procedural rules allowed the vote to go forward. He couldn't have
actually stopped it, which is the point of an actual filibuster.In
my opinion, this had far less to do with the ACA being defunded than it has to
do with Senator Cruz trying to build name recognition. This was his first shot
across the bow in positioning himself to run for President in 2016, which in
reality, makes this far more about his own personal political ambitions.Just another politician (Republican or Democrat) who's in it for
ACA fees are not paid by the insured. They are paid by the employer at a
projected average of $63 per person per year. An employer who assesses an
employee what he openly calls an, “ACA fee” of $50 per month may
find himself facing Federal criminal charges.We need to be
circumspect about the reliability of purported information floating around on
the Internet, especially at the very moment a highly charged spectacle in
Congress has the country on edge.
Well its plain to see Obamacare supporters have commented here. I know of one
company where one of the owners has said they will simply stop offering
healthcare to their employees and pay the penalty. Everything is not going to
be wonderful under Obamacare. Whose "facts" do I believe the
Republicans or Democrats? And with the IRS administering Obamacare, do we
really think things are going to be wonderful? I disagree with the folks who
think Obamacare is a good thing. It is going to hurt this country.
"For lack of a better way of describing this, it has been a big waste of
time," said Reid, D-Nev.Just shows Reid's contempt for
America and our form of Government. How much of America's time has Reid
and his ilk wasted over the decades they have been in office?The
very point of Cruz' demonstration is that he is promoting the point of view
of US, is constituency.He is for smaller government, lower taxes,
less government meddling, tax reform, less government waste. He is a principled
man who does not participate in the taxpayer-funded congressional healthcare
which allows them to self-exempt from Obamacare.We are proud of the
way this first term Senator has tried to take back Washington for WE THE PEOPLE.
Apparently you all are happy with the INACTION of your favorite home-boy
INCUMBENTS. I say, vote out ALL incumbents and get people of integrity in
Washington. People like Cruz, who remembers that they are supposed to SERVE,
and that they work for US, not believing that we all work for THEM.
I am so proud of Sen. Cruz. He talked for 21 hrs and never even took a bathroom
break. Heard at coffee this morning that “depends” played a major
role in that accomplishment! Sen. Cruz was actually preventing the chamber from
taking up the very legislation, a House bill, that he begged House Republicans
to pass! Sen. Cruz had said “any Senator who votes (to move forward with
debate on the House bill) is voting to give Harry Reid the authority to fund
obamacare! But…but.. then Sen. Cruz voted with the democrats after
trying to block the vote? What? After 21 straight hrs of talking against the
bill, Sen. Cruz joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting to move
ahead on the spending plan? What? But remember the main thing we
TeaPublicans are trying to accomplish here. Just like Sen. Gram said…if
obamacare succeeds, then that woman hillary Clinton will be president in 2016!
We TeaPublicans must stop obamacare now or suffer the consequences of having
that woman hillary be our next president. We TeaPublicans will NEVER let that
People talk as if there is any difference between the Republicans and Democrats.
I want someone with any courage to explain how they are different without
sounding naive, ignorant, or foolish! Any person, whether Republican or
Democrat, is a fool if they believe that honesty prevails between parties and
individuals drenched in power and corruption. I am not cynical! I do, however,
live in the real world. Those who sought for those positions, then kept them,
have been interested mostly in taking care of themselves and mostly interested
in the prominence that comes with it. Helping the poor, standing on principle,
and service are the last things on their minds. Obamacare is the latest
example. Both parties loved passing this legislation, for it kept them, and
their constituents, from being honest about themselves and honest about its
purpose! Anybody who thinks differently is naive about human nature.
And in the end Cruz self serving talkathon was the US Taxpayer spending money to
hear Cruz read Green Eggs and Ham. He most likely used the taxpayer expense of
overtime to raise money for his next election. So now we have publically funded
candidates to raise private hidden $$.
It's worth noting that Cruz could have gone on for another hour. But he
had to go on to Rush Limbaugh's radio show.The importance of
debate in the two forums--at least as far as Sen. Cruz is concerned--seems
@banderson"I want someone with any courage to explain how they are
different without sounding naive, ignorant, or foolish! "They
disagree on gun control, immigration reform, abortion, gay marriage, health
insurance coverage, food stamps, oil subsidies, contraceptive coverage,
alternative energy investment, social security privatization, banking
regulation, existence of an estate tax, capital gains tax rates, voter ID
requirements, the existence of the dept of education, commerce and that other
one (energy). @TeaPublicanThe vote today was to take up the
house budget bill. The key vote will be later when Reid will need 60 to proceed
to the phase in which the bill gets amended to restore Obamacare funding. Cruz
will vote against that. @J-TXCruz was stalling and if they
continue to use procedural hurdles to halt progress the senate might not get
their version of the bill with enough time to allow for the final votes before
the deadline is reached.
Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio. All 2010 freshman senators. All
young, bright, talented lawyers. All conservatives who REJECT the good ole boys
club that is Washington. These guys were sent BY THE PEOPLE to Washington to
STOP Barack Obama and not be get-a-long freshman senators who follow along the
coat tails of progressive big government career politicians like John McCain. I
applaud and salute Cruz in his efforts. It was symbolic but so was Mr Smith goes
to Washington symbolic. It takes a symbolic stand to get the attention of the
people - to wake them up and shake up the status-quo. America is burning to the
ground under Obama and Reid and it appears that the establishment GOP career
politicians want to simply play it safe for their own career longevity in the
Senate. Disgusting. Perhaps it is time for conservatives to abandon the GOP. The
GOP in the senate has become largely a bunch of gutless pastel politicians who
want to smoke cigars and play the same ole game.
"We are watching the destruction of the GOP. Hundreds of thousands of people
stayed home in the 2012 election because Romney was too moderate. The Old Guard
GOP is saying we need to reach out to left-leaning people."You've got it backwards. There were many who stayed at home because they
couldn't support the President but felt Romney was a wealthy elitist who
could not understand the common blue collar man.He did nothing to dispel that
@ TRUTHI believe it was Al Sharpton who said, "Resist we much."It's an easy mistake.It was Obama who praised the "Corpse
man" for his service.
Great,--having a patriot with grit.
21 hours, 19 minutes of mindlessly yapping and not ONE;new
idea, solution or alternative.What a complete waste of time.Pathetic.
Atl: 'They disagree on gun control, immigration reform, abortion, gay
marriage, health insurance coverage, food stamps, oil subsidies, contraceptive
coverage, alternative energy investment, social security privatization, banking
regulation, existence of an estate tax, capital gains tax rates, voter ID
requirements, the existence of the dept of education, commerce and that other
one (energy).' Thanks for proving my point. Couldn't have
done if I had planned for years. Perhaps you haven't noticed that all the
things that you claim they 'disagree' on are a part of our
country's laws. One way or another, the end result has been the same,
which proves my point. Both Democrats and Republicans made them law. If there
were any semblance of disagreement, we wouldn't have them. Thank you for
proving my point!
re:Open Minded MormonThe action by Cruz was symbolic - he
wasn't up there trying to set policy. Cruz did this to bring to the fore
front the disaster that is Obamacare. Today on the way home I listened for
example to the Rod Arquette show and the host (who was filling in for Rod) gave
some very clear and shocking evidence that is Obamacare. He buys his insurance
on the open market and pays 550 a month for his policy. His insurance company
informed him that his policy was now canceled due to Obamacare and he would have
to go to the exchange now. His new policy from the exchange would be 900 a
month. Yes DOUBLE his current policy. He said he and his wife couldn't
afford the 900 month and then have to wait nearly 18 months for a small rebate.
Call after call after call came in with the SAME STORY. If this is not a
disaster I don't know what it is. You take from the lower middle income and
you redistribute to the poor...leaving those in the middle with nothing. Cruz
was Paul Revere sounding the alarm...Obamacare is coming.....
thank you 'patriot' and 'worf' and others: Anybody who
believes that these 'representatives' are doing anything but posturing
for more power, prominence, and property are naïve and ignorant at best,
and at worst 'Kingmen' supporters.
I know that a lot of people do not like Mitt Romney but to me he was the right
one for the job this last time we had an election. We would not be even having
this kind of an issue going on. Obama is not a leader Mitt Romney is. Yes people
say that he was really not a Rep. will he is an honest man who knows how to
lead. This is what this Country needs at this time. It was to bad that most of
the Republicans stayed home because their guy did not make it. Now we have this
mess and we deserve it totally. So if you were one of those who stayed home or
just did not take the time to vote. Shame on you and we are in this mess because
of all of those who thought that we would be o.k. with a second term of Obama.
This fake filibuster was arranged with Harry Reid and was a dog and pony show
for the gullible. Our Senator was either the dog or the pony,
Somehow reading Dr Seuss (or anything else) to the Senate does not equate with
doing anything useful, nor does not working for the betterment of the American
people - like developing and passing a budget.
Patriot,All the republicans do anymore is make "symbolic"
gestures trying to gain some kind of political advantage. I have a novel
thought, since the republicans are much smarter than everyone else how about
they share with us some of their good ideas, rather than wasting everyone's
time with their circus side show.....I mean symbolic gestures.
So Senator Cruz read "Green Eggs and Ham" and somehow missed the moral
of the story, which is that eventually, the speaker in the book eats the green
eggs and ham and likes it. What does it say about the state of our country today
that a sitting US Senator doesn't have the reading comprehension of a
five-year-old? There are only fifty unique words in that book, Senator--why is
it you can't understand them?