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Published: Tuesday, Sept. 24 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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ECR
Burke, VA

Thanks for your letter Michael. Your suggestion certainly needs to be heeded by those currently serving in Congress.

Of course the hot topic of the day is the attempt to defund the ACA and potentially shut down the government in doing so. Yesterday, E.J. Dionne wrote in the Washington Post about the unlikely alliance between the president and many Republican governors who support the Medicaid expansion under Obamacare including John Kasich of Ohio, Rick Snyder of Michigan, Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania, Chris Christie of New Jersey, Jan Brewer of Arizona and Susana Martinez of New Mexico.

Kasich is a conservative fighting the tea party and his own Republican legislature because he thinks the less privileged people of Ohio deserve health coverage. As he suggested, at heaven’s door, “St. Peter is probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor.”

The single biggest difference between the GOP in Congress and the GOP in the states is that the Republican governors have to govern while the GOP in Congress is still in an obstructionist mode.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

All-or-Nothing-ism is called extremism.

Congress - primarily in the form of the Tea-Party, are leading the charge of extremism.

Their My-way-or-the-Highway threats of No Obamacare or we Shutdown the entire country is nothing more than the same bully tactic pukes holding a gun at heads of hostages to get their way.

What they can't get with Constitutionally required votes,
They by-pass and use "other" tactics to get their way!

Talk about trampling the Constitution!

Ranch
Here, UT

I'd like to have their salaries for just working 79 days of the year.

If you're wondering why congress can't compromise, take a look closer to home. Locals can't even compromise, why would they start at the national level?

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Republicans have painted the Democratic Party as evil personified.

Why would you want to compromise with evil personified?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Congress must obey the rules set for them by the people. They have no authority to do anything outside of those rules. Compromise, within the rules, is essential. Compromise on bills outside those rules must be rejected.

ObamaCare lies outside those rules. An honest Congressman cannot compromise on ObamaCare. Even if the Court decreed that ObamaCare is a tax, the Congressman can clearly see that in his book of rules (Contitution), that ObamaCare is not listed. If he is honest and upright, he must remove the ObamaCare tax. The House has done that. Harry Reid will not even allow the Senate to vote on that bill. The Democrates in the Senate think that they are above the Supreme Law of the Land. Even though ObamaCare was passed without Republican support, the Democrats demand that the Republicans compromise their integrity now that the bill is law. No honest person would compromise away his integrity.

There are many issues in Congress that fall within the authority of Congress. On those issues, both sides can compromise.

People without integrity would ask their members of Congress to compromise on issues that are outside the "duties" of Congress.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"Furthermore, the Church views with concern the politics of fear and rhetorical extremism that render civil discussion impossible." ~ LDS Worldwide Newsroom.

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Threatening to shutdown the entire Government if you don't get your minority way --
I'd say that falls into the "politics of fear and rhetorical extremism", wouldn't you agree...Mike?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mike,

Same tune different day.

You typically side step direct questions because, I assume, that you find them uncomfortable and do not support your stance.

Direct question. Can you name a few congressmen who obey the "authority of Congress"
I assume that you mean the Constitution.

Did Reagan? Did Bush? Does Canter, Boehner, McConnell?

Heck, name one who has not voted for things you find "outside their authority"

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The problem is, some in DC feel like they have been divinely appointed to NOT compromise.

Just look at Mike Lee.

Are voters going to make these folks pay? Or support them with their unconstitutional grabs for power?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Liberal,

Who is making threats to shutdown the government, the Republicans or the Democrats? The Republicans have FUNDED all parts of government except ObamaCare. Obama has postponed the implementation of ObamaCare. Obama doesn't want ObamaCare to take effect until after the 2014 election. The Republicans have agreed with him. They will not fund ObamaCare. Obama should thank them.

The DEMOCRATS are threatening to shut down the government. Read the Deseret News. Read the statements made by DEMOCRATS about shutting down the government. Not one Republican has threatened to shut down the government.

How does that make you feel, when the "party of compassion" threatens the aged and the destitute that they will shut down all welfare if they don't get their way? The DEMOCRATS are trying to blackmail the Republicans.

Finally, we can see that the DEMOCRATS would throw everyone under the bus if they don't get their way.

The shutdown has nothing to do with the Republicans. All programs except ObamaCare have been funded.

Why are you telling us that the Republicans are at fault? Which party is refusing to compromise? The Democrats got EVERYTHING that they wanted except ObamaCare. Why can't the Democrats compromise?

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

The unwillingness to compromise falls primarily on the right side of the aisle. The Democrats have been willing to compromise on all sorts of issues: gun control, budgetary matters ($10 of spending cuts for $1 of tax increases), and, most significantly, Obamacare. The ACA was, from the outset, basically a conservative creation that can trace its genealogy to Romneycare and the Heritage Foundation's famous individual mandate. If liberals had wanted to push for their own preference, we might have a single-payer system today. But they hoped the Republicans would at least recognize their own ideas and meet the Democrats somewhere in the middle. Alas, the GOP is interested only in opposing Obama, even when he proposes essentially conservative ideas. This is extremism and partisanship of the most unsavory sort.

How 'bout we impeach Mike Lee? Has there ever been a more dysfunctional Senator?

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

Mike,

You'll find no mention in the Constitution of Obamacare. Or national parks, the EPA, food stamps, subsidies for farmers, and several thousand other government programs that have nevertheless been declared constitutional. What does that tell you? Does this mean the Supreme Court is not doing its job? No, it means that over the years, the Court has exercised its constitutional powers to determine what is law and what is not in America. Sometimes each of us will disagree with the Court. Sometimes we will agree. But our personal definition of what is constitutional is irrelevant. The Court has the final say (unless we follow constitutional procedure and amend the document, which is intentionally difficult, sometimes impossible).

Note to Des News comment moderators. I would invite you to follow your own rules and deny Mike Richards's comments whenever he "shouts" by repeatedly using all caps. Your inconsistency is showing again.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"Most Americans these days are simply ignoring Republicans. And they should.". "The self-promotional babble of a few has become the mainstream of Republican political thought. It has marginalized the influence of the party to an appalling degree."

R-Judd Gregg, who left the Senate in 2011, became the latest Republican to sound off on the strategy by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT), as well as many tea party lawmakers in the House, to defund the new health care law, an effort that raises the risk of a government shutdown.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

If Mike truly cared about the Constitution he would condemn the treasonous actions being done by Senators Cruz and Lee. The Constitution provides for a process to pass new legislation and repeal unwanted legislation. Rather than use these legal and Constitutional means, they are putting a gun to our country's head. Completely illegal, unconstitutional, and treasonous.

One cannot serve to masters. One cannot adore and worship the Constitution while defending traitors like Mike Lee who are doing nothing but trampling all over the Constitution.

Wally West
SLC, UT

per Mike Richards earlier this a.m.

In the past, you went off on some tangent about SCOTUS upholding The Affordable care tax and you return to the usual populist rhetoric?

Congress does listen to its masters... the special interest groups.

Overturn Citizens United & Kelo v New London then maybe (& I doubt it); Politicians will ascribe to the Will of the people ideal you like to rant about.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@ECR:
"Of course the hot topic of the day is the attempt to defund the ACA and potentially shut down the government in doing so."

Let's make sure we understand who is trying to shut down the government. The US House, controlled by the Republican majority, has the constitutional responsibility and authority to create and approve the national budget. House members did their job funding the entire government except Obamacare which they believe is unconstitutional. If the government is shut down it is the responsibility of the Senate for failing to approve the House bill and the president who refuses to sign the bill into law.

"Kasich is a conservative fighting the tea party and his own Republican legislature because he thinks the less privileged people of Ohio deserve health coverage."

Then, why doesn't Kasich get busy and create a state healthcare program for citizens of Ohio? The federal government has no authority to create a national healthcare program nor force citizens to by health insurance. The authority to do so is 'reserved to the states and to the people' (10th Amendment).

CylonesRus
sunamn, IN

First there is some misconceptions here: The GOP pass the budget except for the huge tax increase calle Obama Care. It is the Democrats and a few Rhino who will shut the government down, if they do not sign the bill;

Parts of the law are unconstitutional, those parts which force people to go against their conscience. Others are a Tax and the power to tax is the power to destroy. This may not go against the Constitution as these so called judges state; but does goes against the fundamental principles of the Bill of Right which gave legal authority for the 13 states to break from Britain.

The news media will not report but as with any dictatorship, report their ideology.

There are much better solution to health care than a government run system; My boss has try care, but has to reinstate her mother ever three years, It been four month and the government , the federal employee at DFAS work the system to keep recycling her renewal application You will have faceless Federal employees or contractors doing the same for you.

ECR
Burke, VA

wrz - Your about a day late with that argument. Mike Richards made the same argument, almost word for word, yesterday. Makes me wonder if you guys get a newsletter with the acceptable mantra for conservatives.

But I digress. You can spin the language however you want but you know, as well as I, that what Republicans are doing is threatening to shut down the government (we can't have a government without funding and they know that de-funding Obamacare will cause the Senate and the Whitehouse to fight back, essentially leaving the government without a funding mechanism.) It is plain and simple and no amount of twisting the contaxt will change it. Republicans are willing to shut down the government if they can't get their way - which is to usurp the legislative process established in the Constitution and de-fund a program legitimately passed by the Congress (it doesn't matter weather there's a 'R' or a 'D' after your name, all the votes count) and now has been validated by the conservative Supreme Court. There's no other way to look at other than a threat by the childish Republicans in Congress.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah
Liberal,

Who is making threats to shutdown the government, the Republicans or the Democrats?
Read the Deseret News.
Not one Republican has threatened to shut down the government.

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Silly beyond all reason Richards --

Search anything about Senator Mike Lee - a Republican - and a Government Shutdown.
Face it Mike, He's the laughing stalk of the entire Nation right now.

KSL reports that nearly half (46%) of REPUBLICANS think Mike Lee is a loose cannon and needs to pipe down the rhetoric.

The GOP is trying to muzzle him [not the Democrats].
The Democrats want to give him an open mike to chide him on.
He's the best thing going for them right now.

But - of course - you can't see any of it.
Your politically biased rose colored glasses only see reality one way.
And it's wrong.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

If the tea party does get control, they will dictate even more than the attempt as a minority. The tea party's position is the cause of civil wars or dictators.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

wrz, Except the Supreme Court has ruled that the Affordable Health Care Act is, indeed, constitutional. That is not a decision for the House to make.

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