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Published: Monday, Sept. 23 2013 5:16 p.m. MDT

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md
Cache, UT

Obama- Yes, we have to change.

Resume arming our military on base. Duh.

Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

After the horrible school shooting at Sandy Hook, Vice President Biden publicly encouraged Americans to get a shotgun for self defense, as a politically correct firearm. The recent navy yard shooter used a shotgun which was deemed "safe" enough by even Senator Dianne Feinstein that it wasn't included in her list of firearms that she seeks to ban nationwide.

Utah and Idaho have very "relaxed" gun laws compared to places like California, Washington DC, and Massachussetts. Yet Utah and Idaho's gun murder rates are only a small fraction, per capita, of the rates seen at those states with draconian gun laws. So this irrational mentality of solving violence by punishing inanimate objects obviously isn't the solution.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

as always, vague ideas stated with no solution.....have to change? what does that mean? unless it is govt. involvement. straight from the emanuel/obama playbook, don't let a crisis go wasted. barry and company will not be happy until govt. controls every aspect of our lives. this is the change that he campaigned on and that a majority of voters fell for. chane will only come when this guy is out of office and the uninformed voter becomes informed including takers understanding that someone has to pay for the stuff they are getting.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

His version of change was to force people to pay for something millions didn't want to pay for and to squeeze us with heavier taxes to pay for it. I don't believe Obama is qualified to tell us we "have" to do anything.

We need to be a better people, yes. But I don't care what Obama thinks about that because he isn't leading us to be a better people. And we'll probably be in worse shape if he tries to.

Rosco
SANDY, UT

I find Obama, like most politicians to be quite disingenuous. If Government really does represent the wishes of the people, we would not have Obamacare. Politicians inevitably tend to promote legislation that is proffered and supported by those (contributors) that got them elected or which presents an opportunity to play on the emotions of the electorate. We should not expect otherwise. Term limits and campaign reform would help solve that problem.

As for the Naval Base tragedy, the cause was mental illness, not guns. We have in place checks and balances that should have precluded this individual from having a security clearance and from purchasing a firearm. The system failed and needs to be corrected.

Those with serious mental illness will often be a threat to themselves and at times to society. Let’s promote more research for dealing with this health problem that plagues millions of Americans. I envision a day when those who suffer from mental illness will be able to get permanent relief and enjoy a healthy life--free from the demons that otherwise possess them.

Had the President made that observation and pitch, I think most of America would rally behind him.

Paul in MD
Montgomery Village, MD

Every mass shooter this year, and most if not all of the ones in the last 20 years, have been found to be mentally unstable in some way. There were indications of this recorded by one official source or another for each one. Why were they able to get their hands on guns?

Because the mental health profession's lobby has made it nearly impossible to use this information in any way. This began with their efforts starting in the 1970's to ban public institutionalization. It used to be possible for people to be put in a mental hospital by the court without their consent. This change has led to mass homelessness, and has contributed to some degree to the mass shootings the liberals are now using to argue that NO ONE should have guns.

As the 80 million or so people who own guns, BUT NEVER COMMIT CRIMES WITH THEM prove, it isn't the gun, it's the few people using guns wrong that is the problem. THAT's the problem we need to work on.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

"As the 80 million or so people who own guns, BUT NEVER COMMIT CRIMES WITH THEM prove, it isn't the gun, it's the few people using guns wrong that is the problem. THAT's the problem we need to work on." If this argument held any water there would be no opposition to street corner cigarette vending machines. Instead, we restrict availability. Tax and obfuscate. "Clamp down" on the problem. Gotta love that; there's always a call to further "clamp down". Can't do that with guns, though, can we? No, the best we're allowed is to accept every gun owner is a good, decent, responsible, law abiding person until they prove otherwise. Then it ends up on the news. But, we're told, that was an isolated incident, and we're not going to be able to make any changes. So, we're going to keep getting what we've gotten in the past.

AChapin
Albany, Linn, OR

Aloha;
The idea of having a firearm while on guard and no ammo is treasonous act. I would have gotten a DD if I had done this while doing guard duty. Almost all the killing do have something in common and that is drugs.
Paul in MD was spot on for what he had to say.

We don't need a pot head from Punahou High School in Honolulu to tell us how to live.

Aloha / Shalom

bandersen
Saint George, UT

"If we really want to honor these 12 men and women, if we really want to be a country where we can go to work and go to school and walk our streets free from senseless violence without so many lives being stolen by a bullet from a gun, then we're going to have to change," This is the best thing I've ever heard the President say. I think it is unfortunate that the President and many others believe that the way to change things is by taking away a God-given right. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus would prefer that there be no guns. Until, however, men are living the way Jesus lives, no one can deny someone's right to defend him/her self,including the President. Anyone who believes the way to make a safer society is by taking away rights, is either living in la-la land, or believes that all men are noble. A quick glance in either direction from where they stand should cause them to throw that thought right where it belongs, in the garbage.

Anti Government
Alpine, UT

All hail the great oblamo!

After all, he comes from Chicago home of some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. And the results speak for themselves. It is the murder capitol of our country.

There are less gun murders for our troops at war than for the citizens of Chicago. Wow.

For years it has been the same. There are no republicans in Chicago to blame and there hasn't been for generations. The violence continues with small children being shot almost every week there. The Liberals control everything there and yet it is the worst. Hmmm.

When will the people who vote democrat realize they are simply being manipulated? Used as pawns for corrupt liberals to get power. You get promised safety and what do you have in the liberal democrat stronghold of Chicago? Death. You are promised good schools? You get some of the worst in the country in Chicago and DC that are absolute locked down democrat areas.

You people ought to wake up and face reality and admit that the liberal promises you have been fed for generations are miserable failures when democrats have total control to implement them.

FrankSegesman
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I agree. It is definitely time for a change. Arm military troops and require them to be armed ON base AND while OFF base. Let's start making the streets safer for all of us.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

There is nothing on record that says anyone was killed by a gun. Guns do not do anything by themselves. You can put a new born baby in a room filled to the rafters with AK47's, missile launchers and hand grenades and the little tyke will be just fine. The problem comes when you give a firearm to someone who has no business having one such as someone who is mentally ill or sociopathic. The problem any logical, a-political thinker will conclude is mentally unstable people should have no access to these things. The solution is the require all prospective firearm purchasers to undergo a mental health screening before being allowed to own one. The same goes for people who currently own a gun. People with a penchant for violence and act out on violently already are prohibited from owning a gun upon conviction for a violent offense. In all states any felon is likewise prohibited. It is now time that we take the next step in preventing gun violence.

Rick2009
MESA, AZ

The only thing we need to change is the President and his cronies. It is not the guns but people that need to change. We need people in office that understand the Constitution. Take Reed with you out out out.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

hutterite,
tell me, please, where in the second amendment cigarette vending machines are covered.

"the best we're allowed is to accept every gun owner is a good, decent, responsible, law abiding person until they prove otherwise." sounds like you don't like that concept.

so you want to do away with "innocent until proven guilty"? how totalitarian of you.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

I carried a firearm for 25 years as part of my job and I can tell you I was danged glad when I could stop. Carrying a pistol is uncomfortable and it gets in the way too many times. Some folks need one for legitimate reasons but this whole Constitutional-right-to-carry crapola is just that - crap. People who want to carry a gun when they don't have to have something else going on in their heads. This whole nonsense argument about protecting public and personal safety is a ruse. They actually have a "Dirty Harry" complex or may be compensating for some personal or psychological failing.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Mentally ill persons only commit a crime when they pull the trigger. Accessible triggers cause peoples death, not guns.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

What's the new normal?

The President says we have to change, do a better job of securing military bases, improve mental health services, and address gun laws. Wayne Pierre sticks with his simpler strategy of calling for more good guys with guns.

That’s the normal but I don't see anything new about it.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Here is Barack once again calling for change. Anytime you hear that word come out of the mans mouth it is best to just run the other way. Change in this case means gun banning. Never let a good crisis go to waste Barack has said and that is exactly what this latest tired old speech was mostly aimed at. Ban gun ban guns ban guns ..... The man's mind only thinks one way. America needs a leader to solve these vexing problems of violence not a demagogue.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "AChapin" there is something else that they all had in common that is not addressed.

They were all in "Gun Free Zones".

Those are probably the worst idea that government has come up with. They might as well just put up a sign that says "if you want to go on a killing spree with any weapon, this is the place". Those signs announce that any crime will not be met with force.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

JLFuller,
beside the second, what other amendments or provisions of the constitution do you consider to be "crapola"?

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