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Published: Sunday, Sept. 22 2013 12:28 p.m. MDT

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one old man
Ogden, UT

Great idea.

Only one small problem.

It's frequently only after a tragedy that the homicidal maniac become known to be a homicidal maniac.

worf
Mcallen, TX

I know of a few who should be put away.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Let me get this straight.... their proposal, incarcerate people because they might become a threat, and that is not a violation of our rights as provided under the constitution. Checking to see if you are a mentally ill person before selling you a weapon - that there is a clear violation of our constitutional rights.

I am a gun owner, and enjoy using them. But I see no reason why a quick background check to see if one is mentally ill before selling guns or ammo to this person is a problem for the NRA. People go under deeper background checks before boarding a flight then they do to buy a firearm.

Again - lack of sensible compromise seems to be the mantra. We would be more willing to lock up thousands of mentally ill people in the chance they might act out - and pay for their incarceration, rather then simply have a check that would prohibit these people from buying guns.

Guns are a right, and a responsibility. Why is that so hard to agree upon.

Bob K
porland, OR

This is the game:
The gun manufacturers and sellers figured out, years ago, how to transform the NRA into a front for their businesses.
First, they spread the lie that "bearing arms" is not about raising a militia or joining in an organized defense -- it does not mean "owning guns" -- however, there is nothing wrong with reasonable and safe gun ownership.
Average Americans have heard years of scare tactics about Government takeovers, confiscation, etc etc.-- all of this intended to block laws that would result in the sale of fewer guns and less ammo, costing the industry potential profits.
Average Americans have been sold a cruel lie that inner city people are less worthy than they are, and are just going to find guns and shoot one another, no matter what.

If firearms and ammo were regulated reasonably, like cars and driving, sales of handguns, which are so profitable, would be much less. Sales of ridiculous amounts of ammo would stop. People are making money from sales to the wrong people, and blame "criminals"

Folks in rural areas who are Christians need to accept gun control to help avoid these deaths that take place every day in cities.

Phranc
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

this reckless attempt to villainies those that suffer mental illness rather then have an honest debate about violence and gun control is sickening even for the NRA.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

No what we really need is to ban all guns which look cosmetically like they might be a military style gun.

We need to ignore the crazies among us, giving them the help they need won't help at all.

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Or so one would think by reading a lot of letters to the editor and listening to many of our politicians.

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

Perhaps we should increase background checks, both in what they check and where sales are checked, to reduce the availability of guns to some who obviously should not have them.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Fine... incidentally stockpiling heavy weapons and ammo likely correlates with homicidal tendencies.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Let's take some of our most heinous shootings.

Columbine: Dylan Klebold and Todd Harris had no prior criminal record but had access to a cache of weapons.

The shooting at the military base in Texas: The guy had no previous record and was a soldier in good standing. Obviously he had access to weapons.

The shooting in at the Colorado theater: Guy was a little weird but had no past criminal history and again gained access to weapons.

THe Sandy Hook shooting: No prior criminal record but Mom had a huge cache of weaponry.

The VA Tech shooter had no past criminal history.

So in most cases, mass shootings are not done by Ted Bundy type or some released murderer on parole. They are most often committed by relatively young males (white mostly) that are mentally unstable. Their parents are often clueless and often provide the very weapons used in the attacks. It seems like in some cases violent video games are watched by the shooters in mass amounts. I guess saying there could be a connection there is opening up a huge can of worms.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

The issue is not a criminal record. Criminal record is what the background check checks. The issue is mental illness. These shootings all have mental illness as a factor, and the family and friends, and even the doctors of these shooters knew they were troubled, but had no legal means of keeping them safe, and society safe from them.

But NAMI wants us to think that 80% of the population is mentally ill, and that mental illness is normal. It is not normal, and those hearing voices need intense treatment and supervision, not privacy and seclusion.

Not an NRA member, but they are absolutely right on this one.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

The Connecticut school killer was STOPPED by a background check, because his problems were documented in the system.

The difficulty is deciding "how crazy" someone has to be before they get committed, and therein lies the disagreement. Some mental health zealots say you must never restrict the liberties of even the craziest person, until after they have acted. But many of their liberal friends say [see above] that "anyone who wants a gun must be crazy and therefore prohibited from getting one."

When all the definitions and standards and criteria for a bill are in writing, then we can discuss the merits.

Many of the mass killers WERE being treated with psychotropic medications, and perhaps that is a criteria which should trigger a ban on gun possession. Violent video games seem to be a frequent addiction, so that is another criteria.

The NRA knows that those who seek to ban all guns want incremental steps towards "Goldilocks gun control" where every gun is too big, or too small, or prospective buyers are too young, too old, too rural [see above!] or too urban.

Freedom is not without risks.
It's not the guns, it's criminals and crazies!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I would suggest that the culture of guns in America, of which the NRA is a prime supporter, has made us all potential 'homicidal maniacs'. Their tactic of blaming others while promoting the addition of infinitely more guns into society is ludicrous. And we refuse to see it, on a monumentally hypocritical scale. For example, let's play with the wording:

Freedom is not without risks
It's not the guns (or liquor, or cigarettes, or cars), it's criminals and crazies (or drunk drivers or smokers or unlicensed drivers). Every time someone tells me regulating guns won't work i tune out.

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

A monumental problem appears to be that a large number of disturbed, and/or mentally ill individuals, cherish their membership in the National Rifle Association.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The NRA are not called gun crazy for no reason. Listen to some of these people talk as to why they need assault weapons and tons of ammunition.

Itsjstmeagain
Merritt Island, Fl

Didn't St. Regan close the mental institutions and assured the public that people like this are safe if they take their meds? Save a few bucks at the risk of the general population. Now we yell "Lock up" these people or is it really get them out of sight.

Oh my, if investing in mental hospitals again is the answer, what will it do to my "taxes"? They will scream NO to this or building new jails and hiring staff. Any thought of a waiting period between buying and ownership will assault the Constitution.

I am of a mind that the extremist who demand no controls, who Gerrymander their districts and depend on very deep pockets and voter suppression just might have won their cause. They won the "right" for anyone to own a firearm immediately..... But murdered the same Constitution for everyone to get there.

Shame on you.

KDave
Moab, UT

Now that we have" mandatory healthcare" It would be easy to include mandatory mental health checkups. What matter is a trillion or so more on the debt? Of course we would soon learn that we are all nuts.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"I would suggest that the culture of guns in America . . .has made us all potential 'homicidal maniacs'.

Hutterit:

Speak for yourself.

Zaruski
SLC, UT

About 160 mil. in 2008 and 150. mill in 2012 voted. Presidential elections normally split 45-55.

So basically, a quarter of the country go one way, another quarter of the country goes another, and half of the country don't really care/don't pay attention/think it's too complicated/think "both sides are equally bad".

A Sandy Hook mother went on Maddow's show and explained to how she didn't even know what a filibuster is.

Which of the 3 categories above do you think she fit into? But all of a sudden when political failure comes to roost in your backyard, politics cease to be complicated. All of a sudden it's no longer abstract and immovable. All of a sudden it becomes pretty clear, pretty black and white.

While half the country sits on their posteriors watching the latest America's Next Whatever and refuse to look at what goes on beyond the fences in their backyards, one party is doing everything it can to destroy the country and hand what's left over to the wealthy, while the other wonders why we allow our political system to be overrun by lunatics.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

There are certainly "homicidal maniacs" out there that have, as of yet, committed no crime. And I am confident that some of our healthcare professionals know about some of them.

Can someone please tell me how we could possibly prevent "homicidal maniacs" from buying guns without a background check?

Basically, the NRA is looking to point towards ANY solution that does not affect gun ownership. In fact, most of their solutions involve more guns.

Big surprise with that. As is always the case - FOLLOW the MONEY

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The NRA spins paranoia of the government to sell more guns. Maybe a reasonable approach may calm down people with large capacity guns designed to assault and kill, not hunt deer.

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