The Republicans have only themselves to blame for Obamacare, for at least two
reasons. First, they utterly failed to present a viable alternative plan when it
counted, and it's not as if the status quo ante was acceptable. Second, by
giving us George Bush and his horribly mismanaged Iraq war, they made the
election of Obama possible. As a friend says, Bush destroyed the Republican
party. It is hard for me to see any worth in either party right now.
@Mike Richards -- Democrats want to fund the government. Some Republicans want
to fund part of the government, but not all of it. Which party is trying to
shut the government down? The one that wants to fund all of government or the
one that doesn't? It's not difficult to figure out.
Mike Richards - I see you've taken up creative writing in your spare time.
And you are probably right that I should read the DN, especially if I want to
hear your interpretation of things. But as I look through the newspaper entries
on Google I see US News and World Report, The Guardian, The NY Daily News and
other non-liberal publications and of course there are also some other
"liberal" publications all saying the same thing - The Republicans are
threatening to shut down the government. You can spin the news any way you want
but it doesn't change the truth. The Republicans can't change the ACA
through legislative processes - they even admit it - so they are attempting to
stop it from going into effect with blackmail. And then they are claiming the
high road, as evidenced by your response today at 3:33.Sen. Tom
Coburn, R-Okla., said the problem with the shutdown threat by Lee, Rubio, Vitter
and other Republicans is that it fails to recognize the GOP lost the 2012
presidential election to President Obama who strongly defended the law during
the campaign against Republican Mitt Romney.I guess not all the
Republicans are irresponsible.
ECR, Who is threatening to shut down the government, the Republicans
or the Democrats? Hint: It isn't the Republicans.Who refuses
to let the Senate vote on the budget passed by the house, the Republicans or the
Democrats? Hint: Harry Reid is not a Republican.Who will stop all
payments to the elderly, the infirm, the children, the oppressed, the
Republicans or the Democrats? Hint: Only the Democrats have threatened to shut
down the government. The Republicans have FULLY funded all programs except
ObamaCare, which is the program that OBAMA refuses to implement!It
might be a good idea for you to read the Deseret News so that you will know
which party has drawn a "red line in the sand". Hint: it isn't
Mr. Flake is my senator, and I think he is seeking a coward's way out of a
dilemma, a dilemma created by his colleagues in Washington who either don't
understand the consequences of their actions or, since they are exempted from
them, don't care. I believe in this case he would rather go along to get
along, rather than take a stand against bad policy. You do understand,
don't you, that to follow his strategy the healthcare law will fail by
inflicting enormous pain on America, both its citizens and its economy? This is
not unlike letting a cancer run its course to see if it needs treatment.
Mike Richards - Please stop trying to claim that the president is usurping his
authoriyty aqnd undermining the Constitution when it is your friends on the far
right in Congress who are usurping the process for legislating established in
the Constitution. Because they can't get the votes necessary to overturn
legislation with which they disagree The ACA), they, instead, are threatening to
shut down the entire government and, once again, putting the full faith and
credit of our nation in jeopardy. If Obamacare is so objectionable to the
American people why can't they just get the votes necessary to overturn it?
Why must they use underhanded scare tactics and play childish games to get what
they want. Is it because they ARE children? When will the grownups come back
to Congress? I guess we have to elect them first.
"The Affordable Care Act is a divisive and flawed piece of legislation
precisely because it was passed by a Democratic majority without any support
from or compromise with Republicans". I disagree, the republicans have
always made this a political issue and not a people issue. They act out of
spite rather than showing any willingness to compromise. Today despite all the
negative media hype only 23 percent of the people want congress to make the bill
fail. The majority either approve it or want improvements made to the law.
Furthermore there are reports that in many parts of the country premium costs
are going down. In the last two years, including 2014, my company's
premium costs have increased very little.
This is not a ten percent "liberal" versus ten percent
"conservative" football game. We should not let the fringe elements blog
control. Reasonable people do not shut down the government.
Re:JSB"I don't know everything about Obamacare but I have serious
reservations about it just because President Obama and everyone who voted for it
exempted themselves from it!"Actually, it appears you don't
know anything, or you would know that Congress and their staff is NOT exempt
from Obamacare. Congress and their staff are now required to
purchase their health insurance from the exchanges being set up. No other
employees working for a large employer are required to use the exchanges. Just
The vast majority of the "hundreds of thousands" of workers who have had
their hours cut because of "Obamacare" were working 32 hours per week so
their employers would not have to offer them benefits. They are not working 29
hours per week so their employers do not have to offer them benefits.The blame for this is not with the Affordable Healthcare Act but with the
@mike richards. My taxes have not gone up and actually have gone down and I
consider myself middle class. As far as the constitution goes the federal
government doesn't have the power to set up a central bank but it has and I
have never heard a concern about it from most conservatives.As far
as obamacare being the biggest tax increase in history can you prove this claim?
"I don't know everything about Obamacare but I have serious
reservations about it just because President Obama and everyone who voted for it
exempted themselves from it!"No JSB. They didn't exempt
themselves any more then the exempted themselves from Medicaid.They
had insurance. Just like I do. Just like you probably do. I will not be
under Obamacare, and most likely you will not be either. A better
statement would have been "They did not force themselves to be covered under
Obamacare" (just like they didnt force me or you)YOu did get one
thing right however. You dont know everything about Obamacare.
Obamacare is already failing, which is why Obama is already delaying many of its
provisions, and his delays are not done legally. Congress must change the law,
not the president, even if it is named after him. It is sort of like a banana
republic dictator making it up as he goes. In fact, the law was passed only
because of backroom deals, and now, Obama is still giving special exemptions to
his friends - again, this goes against the "rule of law" and makes him a
whimsical dictator. Of course, it was passed by a congress (well, the GOP
didn't vote for it, only the dems) who didn't even read it. No wonder
our constitution hangs by a thread. To all those who think the GOP fears
Obamacare because it will work, think again. As rvalens2 expertly pointed about
above, it is already causing big problems. Thousands of employees have already
been moved to part time jobs because of it, and many large companies are no
longer offering health coverage.
I don't know everything about Obamacare but I have serious reservations
about it just because President Obama and everyone who voted for it exempted
themselves from it! It's so fishy sounding. It's like being told that
the government is going to provide a Yugo for everyone in America except the
leaders who all get a tax provided Lexus. Why aren't the people who voted
for Obamacare confronted with this hypocrisy? Why does the President escape
from answering this question: If Obamacare is such a great program, why did you
What astounds me is the carelessness that liberals show towards the Supreme Law
of the Land. The Court told us that Congress has the authority to tax us, but
they did not rule on the ObamaCare tax, because it had not been implemented. No
damages could be proven. Assuming that the liberals have actually read the
Constitution, none of them can show us in the "taxing authority" that
the Federal government is authoried to TAX us for personal welfare. Seventeen
"duties" are listed in that "taxing authority" (Article 1,
Section 8). Health care is not on the list. The government started
the insurance "crisis" under FDR when he froze wages. Employers
couldn't increase wages, so they offered insurance as a benefit. Now, the
Federal Government is telling it's "subjects" that the IRS will
force them to pay the largest TAX ever levied on the American people. By the
way, what did Obama promise to the poor and middle class about NOT raising their
taxes? Does anyone believe anything that that man says?
@mike richards. Joeblow is right. As much as die hard conservatives want
obamacare to go away and want a market based solution they need to realize that
something needs to be done about healthcare. We are talking about real humans
and real problems not some utopia of the ideal society that conservatives
want.The republicans should and can come up with something better
than obamacare but the tea party will turn on them if they try. During the
republicans debate for president the moderator asked something about
healthcare(I can't remember the exact question) and someone in the audience
said "let them die." And people cheered. I couldn't believe it.
This is why republicans can not do anything because people are turning their
backs to their fellow man.Im starting to wonder are we a society
that will start charging for CPR before we help someone?
@Roland KayserObamaCare is not going to work well. It is going to
fail miserably.Here is what is going to happen and is already
starting to happen.More and more "part time" workers.Much higher insurance premium rates for everyone.Firing of employees to
reduce work forces to under 50.Employers dropping their insurance for
their employees.Millions and millions of young people opting not to buy
insurance.Employers insuring only their "employee," but not their
spouse or kids (UPS).People paying the fines instead of the insurance fees
due to the high cost.The working poor still being unable to pay their
health care costs (even with the subsidies), due to the high 20% co-pays.Those who passed ObamaCare want it to fail. The "real goal" of
ObamaCare is to force everyone into a "Singer Payer System," where the
federal government controls everyone's health care.Currently,
if I don't like my insurance company I can fire them. I'm not going to
be able to do that with the Federal government.
On the Brightside -- Republicans can add ACA [Obamacare] to their
basket of Red Herrings they are going to reverse each election cycle.Sort like; Abortion, Immigration, Wars, Taxes, ect. They SAY they
will do something about to win votes, but in reality, they won't ever
DO anything about them - they need and rely on them to win anything.Like when they accuse the Democrats of handing out FREE stuff to win votes.
An article today in Forbes (hardly a liberal rag), states something that I have
been harping on for years."To state the obvious, Republicans
have historically talked a good game about limited, less expensive government,
but the expense of it always seems to grow on their watch."However, the right still seems to contend that the key to smaller government
is to simply vote Republican. History does not support that conclusion.
Mr Richards,People act like everything concerning health care prior
to Obamacare was great (or at least sustainable). It was not.By
virtually any statistics, health care in the US is the most expensive, and gives
a very low return. It IS a problem, Obamacare or not.So, While I
agree that Obamacare is not a great answer, the GOP would be far better served
by putting forth a replacement plan of their own. You know, actually proposing
legislation that does a better job.I realize that you will answer
with "healthcare is not provided for in the constitution"Well, the free market system is not working either. SOMETHING must be done.
This is the new spin. The ten percent radicals that want a shutdown could attack
each other. The scare tactic os the desperate are comical.
Rolands right, They are terrified it will work.Of course when it does,
they, and the Heritage Foundation will then take ownership of it... again.
Good opinion article. I like the mandate portion of the Affordable healthcare
act because I am tired of paying for the care of freeloaders (i.e., people who
could buy insurance but don't). However, I don't see how the mandate
is possible without a universal, single payer system that automatically deduct
premiums from paychecks - that is where things get messy.
The ACA is based almost entirely on ideas and concepts promulgated by
Conservative think tanks and politicians. It's not what most on the Left
advocated.It leaves in place the current employer-based insurance
system, and enlarges it to include commercial insurance marketplaces will help
those who have previously been rejected by insurance companies or who, up till
now, couldn't afford policies. can shopWith or without the ACA,
all of us pay for the uninsured. We've just been doing it in the least
cost efficient way possible, including through the ER. Now at least everyone
will be paying into the insurance market.Honestly, I don't
think the GOP is afraid that the ACA will be an unmitigated disaster.
We've already begun to hear whispers by politicians afraid that the public
will "get hooked" on it (their words, not mine).There are
better approaches to healthcare than insurance companies controlling "Death
Panels" of who gets covered and for what, based on the profit motive. The
ACA isn't perfect, but it does go a long way toward correcting what for too
long we all just sort of accepted as a necessary evil.
There is panic on the Right as the ACA turns out to be a boon. Cruz admitted as
much -- he's desperately afraid that people will get "addicted" to
it and deprive him of his straw man.
"the annual federal deficit has begun shrinking on its own to levels not
seen since the Great Recession, a consequence of a recovering economy"If this were true we wouldn't need to raise the debt ceiling.
While it may be rising more slowly than 2, 4, or 6 years ago, the debt is still
going up! I fail to see the logic in pundits congratulating themselves on only
adding "less" to their grandchildren's credit card, rather than
paying their own bills.
I disagree with the editorial writers. Hundreds of thousands of
Americans have had their hours cut back at work because of ObamaCare. Those
families are suffering NOW. They need full employment NOW. Obama will delay
the misery until after the 2014 election. Those families will not be returned
to full employment until ObamaCare is removed. ObamaCare is a burden that those
families cannot afford to bear.How many bankruptcies will occur
because of reduced hours? How many other businesses will sustain collateral
damage? If you can't pay your bills, are you going to take a vacation?
How big is tourism to Utah? What would happen to many small towns if people
stayed home? What would happen to their local economy?The
Republicans are not shutting down the government. They have fully funded all
government programs except ObamaCare. It will be the Democrats who shut down
the government, led by Obama himself. As long as newspapers, including the
Deseret News, falsely blame the Republicans, people will be misled. I'm
surprized that the Deseret News would let themselves become an Obama pawn and
print what he wanted to read, instead of printing the real facts.
Conservatives are not worried that Obamacare will be a disaster. If it is they
can run against it and win for the next decade. They are worried that it will
work pretty well and people will like it.