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Published: Saturday, Sept. 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mark B
Eureka, CA

Andrew has a point. How can we take the religious convictions of a person seriously when the same people have no problem saying vicious things about our own president? Sure, it's "free speech", but just because we CAN say something doesn't mean we SHOULD.

Owen
Heber City, UT

Amen. Related to this phenomenon is revering the Constitution as divinely inspired, and believing in honoring and obeying the law of the land, but working outside the legislative process to overturn the will of the people expressed as law.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

The fanaticism, inauthenticity, irrationality, disrespect, extremism, and lack of proper foundation for thoughts, words, and actions, actually lay with those who set aside the principle of right and wrong (even when their religion teaches it) in their determination to deny a lack of regard for such on the part of oneself or others, Barrack Hussein Obama arguably being a notable example.

In other words, to those who actually care about right and wrong, there is nothing really "unfamiliar" about that which is wrong, when revealed or discovered.

Neither do they misidentify the enemy.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

By virtue of being correct, you will be ridiculed.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

The letter writer is correct. Unfortunate that the trait she described is really difficult to see in yourself.

KDave
Moab, UT

Evidently you were AWOL during the Bush regime. Pres. Obama has it pretty easy.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Completely agree with the letter writer.

The latent racism is disturbing also, I've been shunned by a few rabid conservative friends for correcting their racist joke as not political, not about policy, just ignorant racist jokes. It's sad how you think you know some people, only to learn that this latent racism is just below the surface fueling their hate. Theirs even the occasional "the church was wrong back in 78." Evolve people, we are a society, try and act like one.

SEY
Sandy, UT

I have a vague memory of some particularly vicious things being said on these comment boards about the previous president by the very people who appear bewildered at Obama criticism. I, on the other hand, have been an equal opportunity critic: I think both presidents have been unmitigated disasters.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Truth is relativity, only what I can relate it to. I can't relate to B.O.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

I believe that the Deseret News should be a little more even handed with their editorial comments and especially their choice of letters to the editor to be printed.

Many people look to the Deseret News for enlightment but what is given I believe is right wing idiology.

To me the constant negative slant for anything to do with President Obama is tireing.

Not all active mormons are right wing conservatives.

It is doubtful that this will make it past the censors but now you know my feelings

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

DN guidelines for why comments may be rejected:

"Most comments that are on-topic and not abusive will be posted. We hold those who submit comments to the similar standards you've come to expect from a news organization - where we accept a wide variety of points of view that add value to a reader's experience. Comments allowed in mature, civil discussion may not include personal attacks, obscenity, vulgarity, profanity (including symbol-replaced words), commercial promotion, incoherence, name-calling, epithets or racial slurs,.."

I often see name-calling comments posted by DN moderators. A few times I have been the target. Yesterday somebody referred to Obama as Obummer.

Grow up people.

Gof
kaysville,, UT

What is called extreme by the far left socialists trolls is what most of this country has believed for most of this countries existence. Now that the far left has taken over the media, they are attempting to rewrite history as usually just like they brothers did in the old USSR and call us extremists. The simple fact is this administration are attempting to destroy everything that makes America exceptional and twist the country into a socialist dictatorship. So excuse us if we don't want to give up the flag for the new hammer and sickle emblem just yet.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Really, KDave? I don't recall anybody insisting Bush wasn't born in America or demanding to see his birth certificate. I don't remember anybody screaming "YOU LIE!!!" at him during a State of the Union Address. Were there armed protesters standing around outside his speeches? Trust me, I was around for them both and my memory's just fine...

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

Excellent letter. Very nicely written too.

And Truthseeker, I too have noticed that the DN comment moderators are very inconsistent in how they apply their rules. I've had comments censored for reasons I can't quite figure out, while seeing comments posted online that are in blatant violation of one or more of the rules. Name calling, abusive language, personal attacks, all caps. You name it. It appears. But mostly when the comment is in line with the DN's conservative preferences.

For sheer entertainment value, though, I prefer the comments at the Trib's website. Yes, it's a free-for-all, but some of the comments are truly hilarious. Not much humor at the DN. It must be against the rules.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Isn't it just like Obama's supporters to vilify religion instead of holding Obama accountable for what he has done as President?

Does any religion tell us to covet the possessions of some "rich guy"?

Does any religion tell us to provide guns to Mexican gangs?

Does any religion tell us to make an oath to uphold the Constitution and then to refuse to uphold the Constitution?

Does any religion tell us to wear the hat of Commander In Chief and then blame the destruction of four Americans and a Consulate on a film?

Does any religion tell us to reject the 4th Amendment and evesdrop on private conversations without a warrant?

Does any religion tell us to use the IRS to harass conservatives?

How long a list do you need to see that Obama has brought his own problems upon himself and that blaming religion for his self-imposed problems is as wrong as his other actions?

Cincinnatus
Kearns, UT

The letter writer has a good point. The problem has become that it's easier to make personal attacks on the President (and his family), racist or not (the same goes for Congress, governors, legislatures, bureaucrats, or your fellow man, etc.), and call that an argument.

The fact that some of the responses to THIS letter include, "He did it first!," name calling, and lists of reasons to justify themselves for making personal attacks, is a great example of the problem.

I think one of the biggest problems in this country is that we've forgotten how to have an argument. Too many people have forgotten how to use logic, reason, and facts and resort to attacking the person and name calling. I'll readily admit, I've occasionally done the same.

The problems in this country aren't going to be solved if all we do is criticize the person, yell across the aisle, calling names, and making snide comments about the person.

We all need to relearn how to argue "the point" using intelligence and reason rather than ad hominem attacks. If we all tried to rise above this a little more, maybe things would actually get done.

dave
Park City, UT

Mike, That was one of the most off-topic, red herring posts I have ever seen.

Nonconlib
Happy Valley, UT

Mike,

I am an Obama supporter, but I don't vilify religion. I support it.

I don't covet the possessions of "rich guys." But I do question how many of them acquired their riches and are suppressing the wages of those who actually create their profit.

Actually, the LDS Church, in its past, has given lip-service to the Constitution but has refused to uphold it (setting up a theocracy, practicing polygamy, etc.)

Get over Benghazi. It was a minor misstep compared to the whoppers we've seen in the not-too-distant past (Iraq, for instance).

If I'm not mistaken, the Patriot Act came during a Republican administration.

Religions don't tell the IRS to harass conservatives. But neither did Obama.

I haven't really noticed that Obama is blaming religions for all our problems. Does Rush say so?

Finally, just wondering if you really believe all the stuff you write in these comments. It's one thing to disagree with someone, but to spew this kind of vitriol repeatedly, every day? You must be the most unhappy person on earth.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Andrew,
You must be a recent comer to these pages, or are intentionally blind to the past. The gang of liberal posters on here were WAY more disrespectful of President Bush his whole two terms than anything I've seen written about President Obama.

So I think there's a little pay-back in it for some today.

I agree it's not cool... but it happens. What goes around eventually comes around. And it's not just a religious thing. The people trashing Bush were not religious posters.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Haters hate.

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