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Published: Friday, Sept. 20 2013 2:04 p.m. MDT

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Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

This is truly the most high-stakes, ill-conceived temper tantrum in the history of humankind; the conservative House needs to grow up.

I want nothing more than for the Republican Party to cease to exist in American politics but a government shutdown is too high a price for all of us to pay, even if it puts the final nail in their proverbial coffin.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Recent polls have shown Obamacare to be a very unpopular law. The majority of people no longer want it. The more that is found out about it, the more unpopular it becomes. The House is simply listening to the public in trying to defund Obamacare. It's an ultra-expensive bill... perhaps the most so in national history, and we're yet to fully understand all of it's 2,100 page ramifications.

This bill is the biggest folly that came from Obama having a majority support in both sides of Congress during his first 2 years as president. This bill was ramrodded thru with almost zero debate. Even democrats couldn't tell anyone much about what it really consisted of. In fact, most still struggle with that. Nancy Pelosi will forever be remembered for her infamous "That's why we have to pass it, so we can see what's in it" reply to a reporters question. One of the dumbest statements to ever come out of Washington.

If this country was a true democracy (as opposed to the Republic that it is), then Obamacare would already be dead and gone.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

This is good news. Unfortunately we still have Harry (uses Federal funds to increase his property value and makes bank on it in Nevada) Reid lecturing us peasants what is good for us as he eats his fine meals with Hollywood and other rich elites. Live as they say, but, now how they live....

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

It's a good start.

Bravo to all four Utah representatives who voted for the CR without Obamacare. Especially to Jim Matheson, who must really be feeling the heat from the Mia Love campaign if he is actually voting as a conservative instead of Nancy Pelosi's puppet.

Now, we need the Senate to support a continuing resolution WITHOUT Obamacare, and for the House to refuse to pass anything with Obamacare funding. Let Obama shut down the government if he wants to, but not another dime for this unworkable scheme that is intended to destroy health care and insurance and force everyone on to a government run (DMV or VA quality) system.

Of course, we really need to fully repeal every single word of Obamacare, but defunding it is a good start.

Even if it were worth keeping, implementation in 11 days is impossible with any sort of security for patient information or efficiency. It is sheer lunacy to be proceeding on the current schedule with all the flaws and exceptions and exemptions.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber 2
I don't think so. It's Republicans who'd be shutting down the gov't. Why? Because what are they giving up in this negotiation? Nothing, other than their threat to shut down the gov't. Democrats have to give up Obamacare funding. How is that a fair trade? It isn't. It suggests though that Republicans see a shutdown as something of value if they're using it as a bargaining chip. Therefore... they are the ones who are shutting it down.

Oh and defunding Obamacare is even worse than outright repeal. All you're doing is eliminating the subsidies to help the poor and middle class buy insurance. The Republicans are directly harming the American people in exchange for not directly harming the American people through gov't shutdown.

ParkCityAggie
Park City, Ut

So-called conservatives need to explain to the American public how costing the tax payers upwards of 2 Billion Dollars is good for the country? You see, the last government shut down cost about that much, and that was in 1994.

christoph
Brigham City, UT

Mr. Boehner, you voted for a trillion dollar Iraq war and now oppose coming into the 21st century on health care. It is a conservative idea to have people take responsibility for their own health care. Sign up or pay 95.00 dollars. No more free riders.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American oppose Obamacare. According to the CBO we can not afford it. Obama and the Senate Democrats are not listening to the public or the CBO. The Republicans are doing the right thing. Below are just a sample of some polls.

ABC Poll 42% Support 52% Oppose
Fox Poll 35% Support 54% Oppose
CNN Poll 39% Support 57% Oppose

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Some people don't understand how the law works in this country. To become a law, a bill has to be passed by both houses of congress and then be signed by the president. Once that happens, it is the law of the land. To repeal a law, you have to do the same thing. Both houses of congress pass a repeal measure and the president has to sign it.

Now we have one house of congress that wants to repeal a law, but it cannot do so by constitutional means. So they have decided to hold the American people hostage to force the other branches of congress to do something which they oppose.

These are obviously not people who believe in the constitution or in the rule of law.

Bored to the point of THIS!
Ogden, UT

I'm in favor of the policy Republicans have nicknamed "Obamacare". I hope Senator Mike Lee understands that he will never get my vote. I know in Utah I'm in the minority when it comes to Senator Lee and his 'efforts' to serve. It's too bad our leaders in Washington are unwilling to represent all their constituents. Senator Lee only cares about those whom agree with him. Not those of us who disagree. If he did, he'd be a much more moderate politician. I love the state of Utah. So... I guess I'm stuck with him for now.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@1978
Except in polls that ask why people oppose it a quarter of those who oppose Obamacare do so because it's not liberal enough. Those are people who want the public option or universal healthcare, not the stuff the Republicans are offering.

Incidentally, other polling shows 1/2 of Americans would blame a gov't shutdown on Republicans. Only 1/3 would blame it on Obama/Democrats. The other 1/6 blame it on both or are unsure. (CNN/Opinion Research poll).

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

Please keep in mind most folks that comment on a news story on the net, are liberal.
Not me.
This is huge victory thus far.
More needs to happen.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

There is absolutely zero evidence to support the notion that Republicans are carrying out the public will. As has been noted, many who don't like Obamacare are of that opinion because they believe it should be more liberal. If the question is framed, do you believe in Universal Healthcare, a majority of Americans still poll in favor of it. Additionally, even amongst those that oppose it, a majority are not shown to be in favor of the Republican Congress' unconstitutional tactics. Threatening the economic viability of our country in no way shows that you are acting responsibly and in the best interest of your constituents.

Incidentally, the resistance of some business leaders to the ACA is in no way new. Similar statements can be found against reducing the work day to 12 hours, again to 8 hours, institution of minimum wage, the establishment of EPA standards, OSHA standards, and on and on. Yet somehow, business survived. Amazing!

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Selective enforcement of the "Law of the Land" is the way politics is played in DC.
For example, OSHA and EPA regs; one administration will spend money for inspectors and lawsuits and the next will leave companies alone.
Then there is the immigration laws. The "Law of the Land" calls for worksite raids, detention beds, coordination with local law enforcement, reimbursement for hospital bills and prisons, social security fraud investigations, ICE agents, border fences...but if the administration doesn't fund these programs the work doesn't get done.
It's all about the money and the House controls the purse.
So next time someone tells you that you have to fund the law, tell them that we don't. It happens all the time, and Obama is one of the best when it comes to ignoring laws on the books to further his own agenda.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Unlike stated above, withholding funding for certain otherwise authorized functions is routinely done, with bipartisan support. (Example- annual appropriations bills prohibiting expenditure on gun "health research" or relief from disability for gun ownership.) Thus the House is perfectly fine by refusing to agree to spending money on anything they don't want to fund. They are a branch of government equal to the Senate. Compromise is needed, or the bill will not pass.

It is not the Republican House trying to shut down the government, it is Obama and the Senate who refuse to agree to funding every bit of government EXCEPT Obamacare. If the Dems want to shut down, go ahead. (Stand firm, House members!)

Any claim that the 1995 shutdown actually "cost" money is unbelievable. Except in a world where reducing the rate of growth of spending is demagogued as a draconian cut.

We are bankrupt and no one is willing to cut a dime of spending on anything for fear of losing votes from those who live on government handouts (including contracts). The end is certain and unpleasant, we cannot continue the deficit spending, of which Obamacare is a large part, and will grow much worse.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

@atl134

You are right about 1/2 of the country blaming the Republicans. They also blamed them in 1995. What was the result? The Republicans went on the control the House for 11 more years. They also controlled the Senate for most of that time as well.

Don't forget the little detail that the Republicans are funding "all" of the government except Obamacare. And according to the same polls you quote the federal deficit is a much greater concern than healthcare to the average American.

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

My Wallet THANKS you congress. As I get older no death panels to worry about.

mightyd
Hurricane, UT

its amazing to me, if you dont follow the marching orders of the dems, then the demagogue, justify, lie, place blame, shift blame, lie again, tell you that we are taking away food or money from the poor or outcast....its truly amazing how really out of touch the dems are, they dont want to compromise, like the way obama care was passed in the first place, if a dem will be honest, they will know that that bill was ramrodded down everyones throat with out one rep vote, because, they never ONCE wanted to workout a compromise to it, its their way or the highway. i get tired of the same old blame game and politically motivated hatred toward those that dont agree with them.....its sad and sickening....just like blaming republicans for shutting the gov down, THEY ARE NOT, the obamacare law is KILLING jobs and moral, except for the few that benefit from it. there are PARTS of the law that are good, most of it is a way to eventually get a one payer system........sad sad sad

Wonder
Provo, UT

Hmm...one party wants to fund government and one party wants to fund all of government except the part they don't like, and tea party types say that the party that wants to fund government is the one shutting the government down? Typical nonsensical logic from our tea party friends.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

1978 says, In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American oppose Obamacare.

And an even greater number say they don't understand it. How can you oppose something you don't understand? Wouldn't it be prudent to educate yourself before making that decision?

Those same polls show that when asked specfic questions regarding the Affordable Health Care Act (the 26-year-old age limit, no lifetime limits to coverage, no disqualification for pre-existing conditions), the vast majority of Americans SUPPORT the basic premises of the Act.

To oppose something because you don't understand it is ignorant to the extreme.

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